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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 05:06 PM
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Anyone see the documentary 'Our Brand is Crisis' that follows US political consultants
Edited on Thu Dec-28-06 05:08 PM by blm
Carville, Greenberg and Shrum as they export their political maneuverings to other countries' elections?

I just saw it in the videostore, came home and googled it. Surprised I hadn't heard of it. I found this review from LA Times written last April.

http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/cl-et-crisis14apr14,0,972547.story?coll=cl-nav-movies
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 05:13 PM
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1. No but it sounds really interesting. I'm into anything about branding.
If you rent it tell us how it was...

It's hard to sell the "market base" economy MYTH anymore.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 05:16 PM
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2. Hey blm, I wrote about it, and posted the trailer. I am irate.
Here's my write-up by the NY Magazine.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/846

"It’s hard to know whether to marvel or weep when James Carville goes into his Bill Clinton–meets–Looney Tunes act in Rachel Boynton’s knockout documentary Our Brand Is Crisis—the context is so morally topsy-turvy. As a high-priced consultant to the 2002 Bolivian presidential candidate Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada (“Goni”), Carville gives a dazzling demonstration of how a politician should field an “oddball crap question” and steer it, in as few words as possible, back to the campaign’s message, which in this case is, “We’re in a crisis—and I’m the guy with the know-how to fix it.” The problem is that the blinkered patrician Goni doesn’t have the know-how to fix a stopped toilet, much less a country on the verge of economic collapse, with a disenfranchised indigenous majority howling to be recognized."

Here's the trailer:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/770

I am going to order the DVD. I can not believe what these advisors to a presidential aspirant are doing in other countries.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 05:20 PM
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3. Thanks - - - it seems there is always more to learn about these guys who have
Edited on Thu Dec-28-06 05:33 PM by blm
been in 'charge' of the direction of the dem party for far too long.

Immediately after the 2004 election, my Dem party group had a guest speaker 'strategist' who blamed everything on Kerry. He was floored when I spoke up and said Kerry won all his matchups, but the DNC got their asses handed to them by the RNC who worked all 4years to put their people in places of power to make certain that their vote suppression and votestealing tactics would win the day in 2002 and 2004.

Kerry had to TAP INTO the party infrastructure when he became the nominee, but it was too collapsed in too many states to get the votes secured at the levels where the votes are cast and counted.

I think that the Carville types rushed to blame Kerry as the sole focus to coverup the incompetence (and probably purposeful incompetence) of the Clinton team at the DNC in 2000, 2002 and 2004. I think Dean proved that attention to the party infrastructure in all 50 states was the problem for Democrats, and so they had to reach into their scumbags to frame him for something that never happened - again, so they could control perception to favor THEIR team leading into 2008 election cycle. The difference is that we all know alot more about Mr. Matalin these days, and were in no mood to accept the lies.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 05:24 PM
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4. You are right.
And even worse...Bolivia is trying to extradite that guy, Sanchez de Lozada, from where? From the USA...he is being allowed sanctuary here.

Update: Bolivia trying to extradite the fellow Carville's group aided...from our own USA.

Heck of a job, Jimmy Carville and company.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 05:34 PM
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6. I editted post to expand my thoughts.
These guys really are enemies of democracy, in my opinion.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 08:01 PM
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7. Guess who else is messing around in other countries elections?
Mark Penn, Hillary's pollster was in Venezuela for the election, with a very misleading poll.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/779

"Penn, Schoen and Berland (PSB) has played a pioneering role in the use of polling operations, especially "exit polls," in facilitating coups. Its primary mission is to shape the perception that the group installed into power in a targeted country has broad popular support...the deployment of polling agencies' "exit polls" broadcast on international television...give the false impression of massive vote-fraud by the ruling party, to put targeted states on the defensive."

Kind of makes one lose confidence. Someone in a post today told me I posted a bunch of conspiracy stuff, well, among other things they said...not gonna mention the rest..

Well, this is the kind of thing I have been posting, and it ain't conspiracy if it is back up with sources and facts.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 08:04 PM
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8. ah yes...the coincidence theorists have served this country so well, haven't they?
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 05:27 PM
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5. Shrum? Carville? this documents their "good works": serving corporate aims
This ended in disaster for them and deliverance from their neoliberal aims for the Bolivian people. Here's a summary from a bit torrent site:

Ahh, US-style democracy in action: he who buys the most ads and votes wins. The CBC's description:

"Our Brand Is Crisis" follows James Carville and a team of U.S. political consultants as they travel to South America to help Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada (aka Goni) become President of Bolivia. The film starts with a jolt - bloody riots break out in the streets of La Paz. People throw stones at the presidential palace and call for the government's downfall. Then it flashes back a year it time, to the beginning. Goni is on the campaign trail, promising to solve Bolivia's devastating economic crisis if he is elected. Behind the scenes are the American advertising experts, doing their best to sell Goni to the people.

If Shrum is backing someone, vote for the other guy.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:44 AM
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9. MyDD and FDL did reviews of "Our Brand is Crisis" in March. Seems producer rather clueless...
about what Carville and Co were doing. Jane Hamsher does not spare her at all:

Million Dollar Assholes: Carville, Shrum & Greenberg

The problem with the film? The director, Rachael Boynton, got amazing access by (admittedly) smiling and doing the cute girl thing, and making everyone like her and feel comfortable around her. But at a certain point you're done shooting and you've got to sit down and evaluate what you've got and drop the cute, and treat your subject with the critical objectivity they deserve.

And what do these guys deserve? Well, you tell me. The first shot is of a riot in the streets of Bolivia where a body lies dead, oozing blood. Pretty much moments later, a guy named Tad (no shit) Devine is standing on a Bolivian street corner wearing a sweater vest, talking into a cell phone and saying stuff like "This is the frame -- we can brand crisis." Now, you don't have to be an acid bitch like me to realize that at this point you are now dealing with a comedy, and your job for the next 90 minutes is to completely savage these guys.

I'm guessing that the director got too bonded with these clowns, because it's the only excuse I can think of for letting them uncritically gas on while the camera runs without calling them on the amazing amount of bullshit they are churning.


Learning about what these consultants are doing for the big bucks all over the world has disturbed me so much. I guess until the vote on the Iraq War I really sort of attributed fairly good motives to my country and its actions. I have lost that thought now forever.

Here is Matt Stoller's take on it at MyDD:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/3/21/121925/568

"Movie Review: Our Brand is Crisis
by Matt Stoller, Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:19:25 PM EST

I saw a film called Our Brand is Crisis last night, and it was stunning. It's the story of American political consultants that go into Bolivia in 2002 to help elect a neoliberal President Goni, an American-educated stubborn elitist who is clearly out of touch with the urgent needs of his desperately poor country. In an earlier term as President, Goni had sold out the country's ample natural resource base, and was pushing for tighter IMF solutions that were clearly bankrupting the country. The consultants, who fancy themselves progressives, see this as neoliberal fantasy playcamp and strive to get Goni elected over what they see as 'irresponsible' populist candidates who don't in fact want Bolivian industry sold to foreigners. The consultants are successful in the election, able to split the various candidate supporters running on a populist line through a nasty negative campaign. Goni wins with an appalling low plurality of 21% of the vote, and then 14 months later he resigns amidst riots that kill 100 people.

What is remarkable about the film is the behind-the-scenes look at how these guys operate. The firm is the Greenberg Carville Shrum group, and their cynicism and arrogance is laid bare as they use modern American marketing tools to play God in a country about which they clearly know nothing. Their notion of democracy is a nasty greedy slugfest of ads and media spin, and when it doesn't work because the people in Bolivia know that Goni would be a bad leader, they turn negative. The rationalizations turn these guys and the filmmaker into moral pretzels, as they talk about how democracy is embedded into American DNA while it just doesn't seem to take route among Bolivians. This of course despite the focus groups where Bolivians are telling them that they don't like Goni because he is anti-democratic and won't listen to the people."

Now, I'm a political guy, not a film critic, so my I'll leave most of the cinematic critique to Jane. For my money, though, I actually had to look a bit for these conclusions, because the filmmaker, Rachel Boynton, doesn't understand the story she told. Her access was amazing, but she was 'in the tank', having succumbed to the bullshit that the Greenberg Carville Shrum group pumped out as much as Goni did. She never did touch on the real source of Goni's weakness, which was a moral cowardice reflected in the poverty and violence he clearly cared so little about. To her, Goni was trying to do the right thing, and so were all the consultants, and so she tried to impute some false nobility to their enterprise. Fortunately, she fails, and the film can't help but tell a real story, a human story, of delusional power mad individuals who are at the end of the day quite banal, and quite dangerous."


Someone said my posts were too long, and I used the word I too much...so ... will stop now. Here is the trailer to Our Brand is Crisis.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/770






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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:14 AM
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10. I can't believe I missed all of this at the time.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:06 PM
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11. I just noticed the movie this last month...
I think it actually came out last year.
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