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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:33 PM
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Dean still rising
Contrary to obscure press blurbs from questionable sources, almost all credible polls show that the Dean phenomenon still stirs, evokes, and grows. Consider a few recent endorsements:


Dean Rising

A couple of interesting endorsements of Dean:

William Greider, a national affairs correspondent for Rolling Stone and The Nation, and author of several excellent books on political history, endorsed Dean. To have a thinker as independent of the mainstream as Greider endorse a presidential candidate is unusual to say the least.

Dean also picked up an endorsement from Ted Rall, the brilliant political cartoonist and journalist, also not one you would expect to see make a formal public declaration of his support for someone who is a frontrunner in mainstream American politics. Such are the times we are living in. Dean does not please me in his positions as much as Dennis Kucinich. But Dean represents the potential of uniting a broad coalition across the middle of American life. And therefore a chance to seize the White House (legally and democratically this time), to wrest power from the posers and usurpers now driving the ship of state into a sewer.

This is really a measure of how bad things are, and how desperately a movement of resistance is needed to stop the Republican catastrophe now in motion. A leader does not have to be our perfect ideal. What is needed is someone who can represent the needs of a majority of Americans who now share at least one objective: the removal of the Bush regime from power. It can be for hugely disparate reasons, because the Bush regime has caused enormous damage to many people for many reasons. Its true beneficiaries are relatively few.

I know some conservative businessmen who are getting extremely worried about Bush, want him out and would support Dean. This is key. If the business community is behind a political movement, it is hard to beat. Obviously Bush has the global multinationals in his pocket, or more accurately they have him. But the increasing numbers of people who are getting left out of Bush's little American dream include many business people, not the corporate crooks, but real entrepreneurs who really do believe in democracy and free enterprise, not just the ability to buy politicians.

http://www.davidcogswell.com/Political/DeanRising.html


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And the beat goes on. The Ostrich Society notwithstanding, Dean surges forth and gathers momentum for the Democratic nomination, and a chance to swat down the Chimp in Chief.




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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:35 PM
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1. An endorsement from the late Sen. Paul Simon.
Delieverd from his death bed. Illinois IS and WILL be Dean country on March 16th--- take it to the bank. :thumbsup:
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MariaS Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:44 PM
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3. From his Death Bed?
If Sen. Simon was on his death bed at the time of his endorsement he sure didn't seem aware of it.

Taken from The Southern Illinoisan
http://www.southernillinoisan.com/rednews/2003/12/06/build/top/TOP002.html


The latest round of heart problems come at a busy time for Simon, who runs the Public Policy Institute at Southern Illinois University Carbondale.

He was scheduled Thursday to announce his support for Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean but suffered shortness of breath and ended up in Springfield's St. John's Hospital, he said.

He continued with the announcement anyway, he said, speaking to reporters from Iowa, site of next month's presidential caucuses, from his hospital bed.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:49 PM
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6. It WAS his death bed.
He didn't know it, at the time, but it doesn't change the fact that he never left it. :)
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:40 PM
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2. I basically agree that Dean
has yet to peak probably BUT citing Ted Rall's endorsement isn't likely to attract a broad base of prospective voters.


Wes Clark. He will make an extraordinary American President.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:46 PM
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4. I posted these links in that alledged
"Dean is on his way down" thread. I stated that I believe in the perpetual energy of our campaign and noted these writers whom I have respected for a long time wrote positive views on Dean..

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20031229&s=nichols
http://www.prospect.org/print/V15/1/tomasky-m.html
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002424.html
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:50 PM
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7. Good work, zidzi...
:yourock:
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:48 PM
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5. can't wait for Ted Rall's next cartoon
sure to win over those swing voters
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:38 PM
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11. The Ted Rall endorsement impressed me.
Go Dean.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:55 PM
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8. have you seen this poll?
i knew something was up last week ad wished i could see dean's internal polling.

well i think this poll might reflect what his own polls say and that why the changes.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm


top of the page.......
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:59 PM
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9. what date was saddam captured??
love to see current statewides...especially for Iowa

anybody subcribe to this site?
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:18 PM
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10. i'm almost eady to postpone my new glasses
and buy a subscriotion.
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batman Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 09:26 PM
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14. didnt your man clark oppose the war?
could swear he did
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 09:34 PM
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16. Clark did oppose the war ...on one of his flops
I am not really sure what side is up with him this week.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 09:23 PM
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13. National poll
N = 244 means they talked to 244 voters nationwide. MOE = +/- 6% means that the error is so large in this and the previous CBS poll that there is no statistically significant difference between the two results.

A conclusion that Dean's position has actually improved could not be ruled out by this data. In that nearly all polls have shown improvement for Dean over the last two weeks and this poll has a very large MOE, it should properly be dismissed as an outlier.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:49 PM
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12. Thanks for starting a positive Dean counter thread
Edited on Fri Dec-26-03 08:50 PM by Tom Rinaldo
And you know I say that as a Clark supporter, who still likes Dean. I hope we can nudge the center of gravity of debate back more towards the positives our candidates represent and the abilities that they have. I still welcome serious questioning of Clark or Dean or anyone else. When it is sincere questioning of Clark it lets me explain why I back him. I want to know why people back Dean too. I especially have appreciated thoughtfull defences of Dean on valid issues of concern. Dean may very well be my candidate in November, and I will need to defend him if he is.

I don't think Dean is falling. The next stage of this nominating process will happen when some of the candidates fall out of contention and support gets reshuffled.
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 09:32 PM
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15. The Ostrich Society
That's about the size of it.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 09:35 PM
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17. Is Dean a penis now?
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White Mountain Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 09:36 PM
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18. Smartie
If you took viagra you'd be taller.
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