On Fox, Dean said consequences of Iraq would be bad no matter which option....

[madfloridian]

He again mentions the Korb plan of redeployment and using special forces. He is right though, there is nothing good to come of this immoral invasion.

http://www.foxnews.com:80/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,228923,00.html

WALLACE: Is it our job to prevent a safe haven for terrorists in Iraq?

DEAN: Yes, and there's a way to do that, and the Democrats have been talking about it for a year.

And if you didn't have a Republican president that we had to work with, my guess is that we would get out of Iraq in a measured, thoughtful way and leave a contingency of special operations forces in a friendly country so that we can go in and deal with terrorist threats wherever they might appear in the Middle East.

WALLACE: But beyond that, beyond preventing the safe haven, is — what ends up in Iraq is not our business?

DEAN: It is our business. The problem is the president had no idea what he was doing when he got us into it and therefore the consequences are going to be bad no matter what happens.

Keeping 140,000 brave Americans in Iraq is not making America safer. It's very clear that it's not made America safer. And the American people just voted to say send some folks in there who are willing to be tough and smart about how we defend the country.

WALLACE: But cut our losses is what the message you get from this election is.

DEAN: Yeah, don't stay in Iraq. We're not going to put up with terrorism in Iraq or anyplace else, but we can't keep 140,000 brave Americans in Iraq indefinitely. Did not we learn this lesson in Vietnam?

And he concludes with:

The problem is the president had no idea what he was doing when he got us into it and therefore the consequences are going to be bad no matter what happens.

The video is still up at Fox...scroll down.
http://www.foxnews.com/fns/

[Guaranteed]

1. It's interesting to see our argument evolve.

It's moving forward, while that of the Republicans only moves backward.

That there is nothing else to be done- that the country is effectively FUCKED- is the final step in the process of getting the hell out.

[Leftisalwaysright]

2. Amen BullGoose!

I can't believe it took so long for the world to wake up!

[greenman3610]

3. he's right

and he's smart to put on the table what
everyone knows. A quagmire means there
is no good way out. We will get burned
no matter what.
This is what we were trying to tell the bastards.

And more democrats need to step up and say that when
the GOP talking point about "having no plan" comes out.

[madfloridian]

4. "None of the Iraq money that we're spending appears in the budget deficit"

"None of the Iraq money that we're spending appears in the budget deficit because it's all on special emergency off-the-books stuff, which is a chicanery, frankly."

That is just scary.

[madfloridian]

5. "Did not we learn this lesson in Vietnam?"

I don't think we did.