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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:20 PM
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The Democratic Left Won This Election But Can't Govern Without Moderates
William Chirolas -- World News Trust

Nov. 10, 2006 -- While House victories in NH-01, NH-02, NY-24, FL-22, PA-07, PA-08, IA-01, IA-02, CO-07, AZ-08, KY-03, CT-05, CA-11, MN-01, and NY-19 all point to folks more left than center winning for the Democrats, the Blue Dog moderates replacing GOP moderates were a major part of the mix that allowed the Democratic Party to gain the majority.

There really are fiscal conservatives who are Dems -- not like that is a bad thing (sorry Seinfeld -- :-) ).

So why the anger against the DLC -- is it their position of no impeachment until, and only if, oversight hearings reveal crimes that force a move in that direction? This "DLC" approach seems just like smart politics to me.

Culturally conservative Democrats and fiscal conservative Democrats are all part of the big tent -- the big tent that must govern as a 51 percent majority and make compromises with the even more distasteful to the left group known as the GOP -- if they are to get anything passed into law and signed. Of course, as the majority, those bills must be presented with feigned magnanimity to the GOP as a choice between bad and worse.

Social conservative Democrats agree with those not socially conservative about the need for social justice. We on the left should be able to get our legislation passed into law if we can compromise around the edges. Indeed this election can be viewed as a defeat for the extremes of the Religious Right and of the secular Left.

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http://www.worldnewstrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=583
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:25 PM
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1. moderates only lost 5 targeted races
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 12:25 PM by wyldwolf
Blue dogs picked up 9 new members. DLC picked up 7.

More liberal candidates won half the time in the districts they should have won in. Centrist candidate won more than half the time in red districts they were not supposed to win in.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:32 PM
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3. Great!! Soon we'll be Republicans!
In the end, the party cannot leave its core constituency behind to follow a dream of winning consistenly with moderate candidates. How long will liberals hold their noses and vote to maintain a majority of lukewarm elected officials?

I am convinced that this was one of those hungry years. This "moderate" stuff will not work as a long term strategy. And to try it, in my opinion, would invite a well-deserved defeat.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:35 PM
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4. all that is certainly debatable, but we won't know until '08.
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messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:41 PM
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9. The core constituency
can be left behind and most of that core will continue to vote for conservative Democrats out of loyalty and because there is no alternative.
In the long term expect the country to continue it's rightward drift.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 02:02 PM
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21. Keep hope alive
There has to be a way to reverse this trend and return to uhhhh reality. There HAS to be.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:43 PM
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10. Go Ahead! Bite the hand that "freed" you.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:41 PM
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17. I hope that was supposed to be sarcastic-nt
nt
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:13 PM
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15. In the end we need to realize that we agree on most things and
as such, we can act like adults. This "moderate" stuff worked and will continue to if we don't demand group think on every issue.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:48 PM
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18. Work in what way?
What good is the majority if it doesn't produce the desired legislation? I don't think its childish to ask that question, and I won't be the first or last to ask it.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:50 PM
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19. WHO'S desired legislation?
Ralph Naders?

We have legislation we're working on now, tuition tax breaks, increasing the minimum wage, dealing with corruption, BRINGING THE TROOPS HOME, and on and on and on.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 02:00 PM
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20. My question was more general
Over the course of time, there will be plenty of measures, just like NAFTA, that will traditional Dem voters. You certainly understand what the impact of this new moderate tint is going to be, otherwise, you would be pursuing this tangent.

Its going to cause conflicts, regardless of how you and I feel about it. So get ready.
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churchofreality Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:14 PM
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16. Its not about left or moderate, its the issues
If the democrats had campaigned on pro-choice, gay marriage, gun control etc, they would have lost. They were smart. There are enough progressive ideas that get people excited without hitting wedge issues. Getting out of Iraq, minimum wage increase, education, healthcare, etc. That is what will keep the left and center together.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:31 PM
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2. The anger is partly due to the fact that the DLC is trying to say that the left deserves no credit
and no say in what the new Congress does.

They have no right to claim the victory solely or even primarily for themselves.

The WHOLE party won this, and it would be an injustice for progressives to be left out in the cold or even in the back seat in the new Congress.

It was a voter turnout, people power victory, not a big donor Beltway victory.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:36 PM
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6. ah, Ken. You know what I'm going to say...
Show me links where the DLC has done what you charge them with.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:01 PM
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12. It's been in all the media
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 01:04 PM by Ken Burch
And you don't get to play "I'm stopping the discussion until I get a source I'll accept and I'll never accept ANY sources" anymore.

That's never been your place. You aren't the Official Arbiter of Truth.

And I've now put you on ignore.

Which is what I will do to all who falsely imply that I make things up.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:09 PM
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13. then it should be relatively easy for you to find
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 01:10 PM by wyldwolf
And you don't get to play "I'm stopping the discussion until I get a source..

But I can declare your point of view "fantasy" until such time you prove it isn't.

Imagine being put on ignore for seeking the truth.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:35 PM
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5. Fine! The Left Will Lead, and the Moderates Will Follow
same shit, different day, but sheeple are used to following. The trick is to get them to follow the good, instead of the bad.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:38 PM
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7. Doesn't the DLC kiss corporate ass almost as much as the Republicans?
Aren't they the folks who brought us NAFTA? I think that if we blow the next two years it'll be because of Democrats who behave too much like the party we replaced.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:39 PM
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8. The progressive agenda is the center.
Fair wages, health care and college for everyone, energy independence with environmental awareness, equitable tax policy and fiscal responsibility, and an end to our criminal endeavor in Iraq are policies that are straight down the center of the american electorate.

Don't let the right define the center.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:13 PM
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14. This is my position as well. GOP and some far-right DEMS are not "the center" n/t
n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:45 PM
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11. This is true, but we must work to restore Constitutional rule
and Congress must take back the powers that it has unconstitutionally given to Bush.

There is still no compromise when it comes to the war in Iraq (it must end), women's rights (they must be protected), and LGBT rights (they must not be betrayed).
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