New "pro-life" US Senators?

[Eric J in MN]

I can name Bob Corker (R-TN) and Bob Casey, Jr. (D-PA.)

Is anyone else "pro-life" newly elected to the US Senate?

[MadMaddie]

1. They just listed them on CNN there are a few of them..

[Eric J in MN]

4. Who? NT

NT

[mikeybabe125]

2. why the demeaning context...?

That seems to be a general feel at DU in general. This is the ONLY way we will continue to see wins within the Democratic Party.

The Republicans of the past (Lincoln) are the Democrats of today. ANY good study of both partys' roots will show evidence for that.

To me, it seems the democratic course is if you don't like it. FINE. thats good. But bring it up so Democrats as a whole can debate about it, and go from there. This is how a Democratic process should work. I see no need for rethugs. oh ya, be sure to bring up my lack of posts as evidence I know nothing...

[MichaelHarris]

6. huh?

[Lars39]

26. Fuck that. Democrats represent everyone's rights.

If you've got a problem understanding that women have a right to choose what goes on in their bodies or that GLBT have the same rights as everyone else, you're in the wrong party.

[leftchick]

3. I hate "pro-life"

it is anti-choice.

[lcordero2]

5. I'm pro troops-life

we've already had more than 2800 after birth abortions

[patrice]

7. Time to make a Deal on Parental Notification for Pregnant Minors, except

for those requiring their legal Majority in order to emancipate themselves from Abusive Parents.

And if people are going to have Babies, Free Day Care and Health Care and Education is absolutely Necessary, especially for "at risk" kids.

Parental Notification is a rational part of the process, when Minors are pregnant.

[Eric J in MN]

9. The problem with parental notification, is that...

...most girls under age 18 will discuss it with their mothers without a law.

If there is a law, then girls who think they can't let their parents know sometimes induce abortion in dangerous ways instead of going to a judge.

[patrice]

12. I see that. I'm just thinking it's time for a real opportunity to break the RW base

with a Real Deal aimed at reducing abortions.

[mikeybabe125]

14. exactly...

break the republican base, and sure the issue will still persist, but by then Rethugs will have no credibilities left to their name.

Like I said, the issue will come up, but what we do, we debate, and each state comes up with their own solution. no need to be downright hostile to pro-life (im not) but that isn't the point. The point is some ppl on here act as bad as the Rethugs

[patrice]

21. That is true about the DU. You just don't really know what some

people's true motives are in what they say.

But I can personally commit to being skeptical of all opinions from people who make money off of the issues, i.e. professional "Pro-Lifers" and "Pro-Choicers". Anyone having too much at $take depending upon whatever the political alignments turn out to be has BIAS.

[nickinSTL]

22. You want to reduce abortions?

That's the goal?

Then...

We need a truly strong economy, in which more women will have the financial means to support children on their own.

Women need to be paid equally with men.

Girls and women need EDUCATION. Sex ed that tells them more than "don't do it" - tell them the risks and the responsibilities that come with adult sexuality - give them the information and the tools to make informed decisions.

And access to higher education. Theoretically, higher education means more of an understanding of how to prevent unwanted pregnancies as well as providing the basis to get a job that will allow women to support unexpected children.

[patrice]

25. And Day Care on at least a sliding-fee schedule for a working

parent or parents.

Day Care will take a lot of stress off of mothers. They don't have to sacrifice their roles as mothers either to have it. Mothers (as individuals, not as members of some church cartel) *could* be smarter and more proactive in dealing with the effects of external influences on their own children.

Not all of the screwed up parenting is in the poor economic classes.

[nickinSTL]

27. right, I was trying to think of a way to say exactly that in addition to the above....

brain fart.

[patrice]

30. It's not rocket science. Children MUST be cared for. Including their Futures.

We must form new economic entities.

[On Par]

8. Pro-Life Is An Oxymoron.....

If you are Pro-Choice, the word "choice" tells you that you have just that - a choice. You can choose life, or you can choose to abort. This fact has always seemed fairly clear to my thinking.

[DemBones DemBones]

11. Not at all. "Pro-life" means that you do not accept abortion

as a moral or ethical "choice."

Look up what "oxymoron" means and you'll see that "pro-life" is not an oxymoron. C;assic comedic examples of oxymorons are "jumbo shrimp" "and "military inteligence."

[nickinSTL]

24. No, not an oxymoron...but inaccurate

Those who are pro-life aren't really, or at least many of them.

Many support Bush's war that has killed over 650,000 people by some estimates...of course, since most of those are innocent Iraqis...those same "pro-life" people don't consider those casualities to have meaning.

Many of those who claim to be "pro-life" are against the use of contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancies, or the teaching of responsible sexuality in schools so young people have the information they need to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

They also tend to claim to be in favor of adoption over abortion, and talk about how many children there are out there to be adopted...but wouldn't dream of adopting a child that isn't a perfect, healthy white child themselves...and would do anything to stop a loving stable gay couple from adopting any child.

Very few are truly "pro-life". They are anti-abortion.

After all, can't let all those unmarried sluts have sex without the consequences, now can we?

[patrice]

31. Choosing is an essentially Human characteristic. That's why blind obediance

isn't Healthy.

[patrice]

10. I don't know, but I do have some questions for those who are:

Do frozen embryoes have a Civil Right to Health Care? Education?

Can they own pets? Get married?

Can someone prosecute the murderer of a frozen embryo?

[DemBones DemBones]

13. Frozen embryos are embryos created for implantation in

the wombs of women who for one reason or another cannot conceive a child with their partner. Infertility clinics deliberately create more emryos than are needed to achieve a pregnancy. Many ae used, leading in many cases to multiple embryos implanting. The embryos never implanted are frozen. If they were implanted and allowed to grow and develop naturally, they would eventually be able to own pets, go to free public schools, get married. Last time I checked Americans don't have a civil right to healthcare, unfortunately. It is also, unfortunately, legal to kill embryos and fetuses in this country. Pro-life Americans think this is ethically and morally wrong.

[leftchick]

16. there are several choices for left over embryos

donate to a couple, freeze for later use, donate to science, or destroy them. Last I read there are some 600,000 frozen in limbo across the US. I myself used every last one of my embryos in five different transfers that resulted in two boys.

[patrice]

19. "Pro-Life" is not credible as long as it is Pro-War.

[patrice]

23. It seems to me that if you're ensuring more pregnancies will come to term.

More people = more group/state responsibility for things like Health Care and Education.

To actively increase population without providing for basic human needs of All results in SLAVERY. Slavery is not Pro-Life. It IS Anti-Life, therefore to actively increase population without providing for basic human needs of All is Anti-Life.

If there's a "right to life" there's a right to education and health care, because they are necessary to life. Respect for Life includes Education and health care.

Why should an individual go along with a group, e.g. the U.S., when the group does not recognize its responsibilities to the individual. That's stupid economics, to throw your fate to those who think they owe you nothing for it.

[Eric J in MN]

15. kick

kick

[eridani]

17. It doesn't matter

The Dem majority doesn't have to let the issue even get to the table.

[patrice]

20. I think they should let it "on the table" and Problem Solve.

Show some respect for legitimate concerns on BOTH sides.

Legitimate = Pro-Life IS Anti-War, because the principle Life ethic "One life must not take advantage of another life" is violated by War, not only in the immediate deaths, but in the effects upon future generations.

[eridani]

28. You want to prevent abortions?

Then let's be like the Netherlands, where abortion is just about on demand.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922117.html

Or would you rather be more like Latin American countries?
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/ib12.html

Though favoring Brazil over the Netherlands is not something that people who are personally opposed to abortion usually do, the organized "pro-life" movement always does. Why do you suppose that is?

[patrice]

29. Informed Free Personal Choice will result in happier People. Whatever their decisions.

We use and abuse and even kill all kinds of Life; the whole principle that Right to LIfe as supposedly against people "Killing fetusus for their own selfish motives", actually "Pro-Lifers" are pretty casual about Violence when it comes to Proxy Wars, "Since this war had to be, aren't we blessed that it isn't happening here. Thank goodness others are suffering an dying for us."

War is Social Abortion.

[demokatgurrl]

18. I much prefer to call them "anti-choice".

Granted, some of the Dems hold more pro-life values than the fascists in the administration and the right wing of the Repug party, but still, anti-choice does NOT mean pro-life. Not at all.