Things I've learned in GD2004, so far

[kiahzero]

1) Rich people can't be liberal. Period. If a rich person is claiming to be liberal, they're probably a Rovian plant, or part of a conspiracy of some sort.

2) High-ranking military officers can't be liberal. Period. If a high-ranking military officer is claiming to be liberal, they're probably a Rovian plant, or part of a conspiracy of some sort.

3) Any person who was a Senator immediately after 9/11 who is not Russ Feingold is not a liberal, and should not be the Democratic nominee. (It should be noted, apparently Paul Wellstone become a DINO at this time).

4) The Drudge Report is simultaneously horrendously inaccurate and the absolute truth.

5) Counterpunch is simultaneously horrendously inaccurate and the absolute truth.

6) Should my candidate win a primary, it is a triumph of democracy. Should he / she not win, the establishment is trying to flout the will of the people.

7) If my candidate doesn't win the nomination, I won't vote / will vote third party. This way, things will be that much worse, and it'll be even harder to move the political center back to the left!

Did I miss any?

[eileen_d]

1. You've summed it up well.

DUniversity - get your degree online!

[Mz Pip]

2. $2000 contributions

are considered 'special interest' money, except for those $2000 contributions that your candidate got, which don't count.

MzPip
:dem:

[BeatleBoot]

3. I love number seven the best

That is a real hoot!

I also like the "multiple-posts-of-attack-without-bothering-to-go-back-and-debate-the-claim" posts.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

No, you did NOT learn that "rich people can't be liberal"

Show me *anywhere* on DU where *anyone* said that.

[kiahzero]

9. If you couldn't tell by the tone

It's hyperbole, for the most part.

[BootinUp]

19. Not in those exact words

but paraphrased, it has happened. There was one thread where Clark supporters were bashed for not being "working class" for instance, and the candidate was going to allow Enron style corruption to continue.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

36. Rich people make better liberals

If you think about it, rich people have more time to devote to bettering themselves, and since they are not constantly fighting for survival, they have a more refined ability to empathize with others. Also, notice it's the trailer trash types that are still bigots in America, while all the Ivy League schools are very integrated now. That's why all the great presidents - like JFK and FDR, were wealthy.

[IrateCitizen]

47. Wha-wha-what?!?!

If you think about it, rich people have more time to devote to bettering themselves, and since they are not constantly fighting for survival, they have a more refined ability to empathize with others.

And since they're not constantly fighting for survival, they don't know what it's like for those who are -- thereby impeding their empathy.

Also, notice it's the trailer trash types that are still bigots in America, while all the Ivy League schools are very integrated now.

Ahhh... good to see the patrician spirit is still alive and well. That "trailer trash" just don't know what's good for 'em, and it's up to the more refined to tell them the way things ought to be. This stereotype is just plain downright offensive, and reeks of the elitism charged leveled at "liberals".

With regards to Ivy League schools, spend some time hanging out with a group of Ivy League business school graduates. I'm relatively certain you'll find a sense of smug superiority and disdain for the "rabble" the likes of which you've rarely seen up close and personal. For the short version, you can always just look at the WSJ editorial page.

That's why all the great presidents - like JFK and FDR, were wealthy.

I must have missed those millions that Lincoln had when he became President. Or do you not consider him to be a "great president", simply because there isn't a (D) after his name?

[kiahzero]

55. I can say, with a high level of confidence, he's being sarcastic

Based on:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=293945
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=292769
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=292281
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=276551#276715

The OP once had a anti-Kerry sig, that at some point changed to the DLC sig currently there. Causes a fair bit of cognitive dissonance in the posts against the DLC.

[justinpower]

53. Unemployed factory workers

like myself have lots of time to spend bettering ourselves. We are smart enough to see when the your precious DLC is giving it to us in the.... But thanks for your elitest snide remarks, they just give me more strength of conviction.

[Old and In the Way]

4. A corollary to 6)

Should my candidate win a primary, it is a triumph of democracy. Should he / she not win, the media brainwashed the voters to support the wrong candidate.

Otherwise, I think you have it pretty well scoped out.

:-)

[charlie]

21. Or my least favorite

MY candidate is Karl Rove's worst nightmare.

*snort*

With a sycophantic national media, a bottomless warchest, and zero ethical constraints, Karl Rove sleeps like a baby.

[oasis]

5. Good post. Welcome to DU.

[quinnox]

6. lol

Here are more in the same theme...

1. If my candidate doesn't win the primary or caucus, then it must be the result of either cheating or a conspiracy of some sort.

2. My candidate is the only one who has grassroots support, all the others are corporate sell-outs.

3. My candidate is the only one who represents real change, and is the most pure of all the rest.

4. If my candidate doesn't win the nomination, the Democratic party is doomed.

[kiahzero]

11. I like those (n/t)

[spooky3]

7. LOL! Thanks for the breath of fresh air.

[Goldberg]

8. Lol

no. Sounds good. :thumbsup:

[spooky3]

14. Welcome to DU, Goldberg!

[Forkboy]

10. lol...sounds about right

great post.

[funky_bug]

12. Post-grad work

The media is being terribly unfair to my candidate, unless of course they are saying something good about my candidate, in which case they have finally seen the light.

[BootinUp]

20. Right! :)

[kiahzero]

13. One I forgot...

8) Rumour, innuendo, and six-degrees-of-separation are all acceptable substitutes for fact.

[eileen_d]

16. Shit, that oughta be #1!

:hi:

[Terwilliger]

15. You forgot one "Dems suck so bad, we need a General to lead"

Oh, and "Democratic party stratgey sucks so bad that a centrist/pouplist was beaten by an unequalled idiot....we've lost the sentate, we've lost the house"

Let's not forget, "Only someone I believe can beat George Bush is worthy of my support...if you're not supporting who I support you're a Rove plant"

Oh....how many more??? :shrug:

[Clark Can WIN]

40. What about "mommy the man in the uniform is scary"?

All people in uniforms are mindless killing machines. Honest, honorable and good people can NEVER be found in the military.

[Terwilliger]

49. You're basing an election on the fact he's a general

talk about being afraid of something

[WilliamPitt]

17. Brilliant

[EstimatedProphet]

18. This is what happens when people are angry

Everybody's angry in the Democratic party (understandable) and the natural result is that people aren't thinking before they say something.
Hopefully we'll get the anger out of our system to do something positive and dicth Brainstorm-in-a-teacup in November.

[VelmaD]

22. I love #6

but it's all pretty damn funny. :yourock:

[wyldwolf]

23. You could have saved yourself a lot of time just by asking me!

Take if from someone who has been called, among many things I can't print:

A DNC operative
A GOP operative
A paid Clark operative
A Rove plant
A freeper
A Republican
A paid DLC plant
In the service of Mike Ruppert
Mike Ruppert himself...

The moral of the story?

Haven't figured it out yet, but I got theories!

[eileen_d]

25. LOL - "Are you now or have you ever been Mike Ruppert?"

I must have missed that day...

My favorite is the "enabler" line:
"Bush enabler"
"PNAC enabler"
ad nauseum...

[Clark Can WIN]

41. military FARGING industrial complex "enabler"

When Clark proposes CUTTING the DOD budget.
When Clark sought to REDUCE the DOD addiction to oil.

add in your favorites here...........

[MessiahRp]

24. Hallelujah!

What an excellent post. Took the words right out of my mouth!!

Rp

[Johnyawl]

26. One more!

- My candidate is the 'outsider', which is good, while all other candidates are 'insiders', which is somehow automatically bad.

(neither of these labels should be confused with how much political/governmental experience either candidate actually has)

[quinnox]

28. heheh, good one

Dean campaign started that trend, and now Edwards and Clark are both using that.

[Zomby Woof]

38. if you need a root canal...

...you go to the dentist, not a mechanic.

Likewise, I don't want the guy replacing the valve cover and gapping the spark plugs anywhere NEAR my teeth.

The "outsider" mantra is vastly overrated. If you are in politics, you are an insider, period.

[TheDonkey]

27. hahahaha (nt)

[cally]

29. I love your list

You forgot that all the other candidates except mine are the same as Georgie and company. :-) Only my candidate will change the corporations control over the country.

[curse10]

30. LoL

Awesome! Great post!

[MurikanDemocrat]

31. One more

When my candidate was the front runner it was because people were all well informed and politically estute. Now that people are voting and there is a different front runner it's because people are stupid sheeple and letting the media pick their candidate for them.

The sudden drop in the IQ of the voting public coincidently came at the same moment as the media conspiracy against my candidate.

[Indiana Democrat]

32. 8)...

...The Big Bad Media is responsible for Howard Dean's meltdown even though the Big Bad Media is right wing and Dean was the GOP's favorite candidate.

[kaitykaity]

33. Yeah. You missed

My candidate's voting history doesn't matter, he's a leader now dammit and if you don't believe it you're drinking 'candidate' Kool-Aid.

[Old and In the Way]

34. Issue theft

Candidate XX stole my candidates (YY) ideas.

Like the major issues of this election were hatched exclusively by a single candidate.

[boxster]

35. Slight modification of #1.

Rich liberals are elitists and not "real" Democrats.

[kiahzero]

37. Shameless late night kick

Think I need any new ones for election night returns?

[anti-bush]

39. One more

All polls are meaningless, and the only thing that matters is the votes. Unless the poll shows my candidate winning.

[JNelson6563]

42. Too bad you missed a lot of lessons

but they were all as worthless as the ones you posted so no loss.

I think the only thing worth noting that can be learned at GD04 is that to have been a Bush enabler during this rise of fascism in America is perfectly acceptable, no in fact, it's all part of a clever strategy. :crazy:

I haven't seen so much mental gymnastics since I studied the way cults work as I see here.

Julie

[NewYorkerfromMass]

43. And Wellstone was "a Bush enabler"?

I think you need to read this again.

[JNelson6563]

54. Who said anything about Wellstone?

I shudder to think where you pulled that one from....

In this forum the presidential race is discussed. That would mean that it is primarily the presidential candidates that are discussed. Wellstone's not among them so I do not know why you felt he was remotely relevent to the discussion.

Most interesting of all, after you introduce unrelated name to discussion you imply I miscomprehended the post I commented on.

I like irony. Do you like irony? :hi:

Julie

[NewYorkerfromMass]

57. voted for Patriot Act

all but Mr. Feingold voted for it.

[Name removed]

58. Deleted message

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[JNelson6563]

60. Ah, the Patriot Act

Nevermind that, let's talk IWR.

Julie--who thinks there are some personal attacks in your post

[redqueen]

44. Best post on this thread!

Lies and fearmongering are not A-OK just because it's 'our' team doing the lying and fearmongering.

[kiahzero]

45. Wellstone was a fearmongerer?

Kennedy is a fearmongerer?
Byrd is a fearmongerer?

... I must not be paying close enough attention.

[redqueen]

46. Did they also echo bush's lies for him?

Did they?

Please provide quotes, if you really believe this is true.

[kiahzero]

56. They voted for USA Patriot Act

That damns some candidates in of itself.

[Ficus]

51. never heard Wellstone do that...

even when the voted "yes" on USAPATRIOT Act, all of his floor debate time seemed devoted to criticizing the act along with Feingold. In the end he only voted for it because of the sunset provisions.

[tabasco]

48. My candidate will produce an overnight nudist utopia.

The rest are Bush enablers and programmed cult members.

[Ficus]

50. here's one

if my candidate wins, the real soul of the Democratic Party has been taken back, if not, we need to teach the Democrats a lesson for not picking them.

[bhunt70]

52. beautiful post.

[TexasSissy]

59. Yep. That sounds like that's about it. Good analysis.

[ShadowCabinet]

61. You forgot one..........

9) If I attack your candidate it's bashing, trolling, flaming, etc. If you attack mine, it's constructive criticism.

[cindyw]

62. Oh my, more truth cannot be told!

:yourock: