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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 09:40 AM Original message |
Still think Dean isn't a media target? |
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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. "Of course there is no talk of Clark at all so he had a legitimate gripe " |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. I feel your pain |
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jeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
109. At this point its not about finishing second |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
2. When AFSCME endorsed Dean it was HUGE news. When they un-endorsed Dean |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 09:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. that actually didn't come up until later |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 10:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. It's been true on the news programs I've seen since last night. |
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lastknowngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. Get ready for trouble they don't like people standing |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. Delegate count: |
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Nicholas_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
112. Problem is |
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liberalmike27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
5. Clearly |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
6. Agree |
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liberalmike27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 10:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Need |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
9. Just Heard in a Promo for FTN "Why is He Still in the Race?" |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
11. My memory of Dean's press |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Until three days before Iowa, Dean's campaign generally responded to |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. The press was hammering Dean in the weeks before Iowa |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. We had a thread here where I asked for specific examples of anti-Dean |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
66. A study was released showing Dean's coverage was disproportionately bad. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. That study was by a scaiffe-funded organization, |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
12. Don't include me in the comfortable group |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
13. The media built up Dean for a year. 3 days before Iowa when they realized |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. They are after your guy Edwards now too....seen TV today? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. The media wants democrats to lose. |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Your theories are just too preposterous to accept.... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Do you remember 1999-2000? Do you read Media Whores Online? |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:59 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. YES I do and have for years. I know what the media are capable of... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Well, that's not what I said. The core supporters have their reasons |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I suspect we live in totally different intellectual universes... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. See post 52. If that happened, find me one thread at DU discussing it. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
77. The media |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. When money and corporate profits are your north star you |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. Again, the media is no monolith |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Actually, I think CNNNBCFOXABCNPRABC IS a monolith. See 2000. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. That is only a part of the media |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. That "part" of the media probably controls 90% of what see |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Not likely |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. There actually is a study out there that analyzed |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. You speak in hyperbole |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 08:05 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. No I don't. There was a study, discussed at DU, which said that... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. More likely that Kerry's savvy campaign in the caucuses... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. On Jan 11th |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:44 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Trashing his supporters, talking about his anger towards Bush were all red |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. They called us |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. And the bat filled up, and the national poll numbers went higher. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Some of his money came from me on that one |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. They didn't go down because of that. They went down in the week before |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. No you didn't |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. An altered tape???? I listened to it live on NPR. They stuck with Dean |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
72. It was altered |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. It was live. Did they know what he was going to say? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. It had nothing at all to do with what he said |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. It was audible? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. The SECOND I heard it, I knew it sounded awful. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. but you didn't hear it |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Oh, come on. Nobody knew what he was going to say except his |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. The second I heard it I rationalized and realized it was portrayed... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. It wasn't the volume, it was the content. Say he was screaming |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. It was an emotional momment. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. And Americans generally aren't intereste in presidents who |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Where is Dean being more emotion than reason there? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Compare his speech that night to the others' -- |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. This makes even the most conspiratorial theories of my Dean cohort |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:52 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Almost everyone here accepted that that was what has happening, and the |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Who is "Almost everyone"--yes, I have trouble seeing this as |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Go through the archives here, and you'll see. You can't rewrite history. |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Should I start under "almost everyone" to find out who agreed with you? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. When did you start at DU? |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. None of your business, but sometime in the immediate wake of Nov. 2000. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Can you find a single thread before half-a-week prior to Iowa where |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #52 |
105. This wasn't even my thread....BUT |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Anger stories weren't anti-dean. That was what he was running on |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. NO!!!! I don't have to....and you aren't the boss of me, or of DU |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 08:07 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. I sense that there's an attempt to rewrite Dean history that began on Jan |
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Nazgul35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. you're right...your theory is so much more plausible... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. I was here pointing out that study was funded by Richard Scaiffe, and that |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
83. HAHAH...that was a SCAIFE-FUNDED "study" that was never a real study. |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
67. That argument doesn't fly.. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. NPR listeners probably sent him lots of money thanks to Mara |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
70. the Media Trashed Dean in Order to Help Him? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. "Trash" = he's angry at Bush and he's anti-war = help |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Tim Russert Was a Prick to Dean Because He Wanted to Help Him? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:13 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Everyone loves Dean. Nobody pays attention to what happens? |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
14. I personally am sickened by it....Oh and by the way |
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Nashyra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Clark and Dean |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:57 AM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Not to mention so many of our friends here on DU |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Some of us think Dean IS the status quo |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. So who do you prefer--Kerry? |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Kerry is establishment too |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
114. Do you support his pro-Bush Iraq war vote? |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Of course not; but he's still my #2 |
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texasmom (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
33. They're trying to clear them all out |
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vanityfair (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
36. I've watched the media |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
78. They pump up Kerry because he keeps winning |
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Indiana Democrat (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
47. I never thought he was. He's a media DARLING. |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. They like him the way they "like" Michael Jackson--as a target |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Part of the reason they liked him was because they knew he was |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
48. It's the media's fault. If only we had no media, Dean would win. |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Right--the media is a benevolent force that CARES about us... |
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Indiana Democrat (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Again.... |
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adadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. You're right |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. Such certainty that Dean wouldn't win in November. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
73. And Karl Rove Always Tells the Truth |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Call it coincidence |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Face it - one of the skills you need as President is handling the media |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. so which is it? |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I'm not used to having to explain such simple irony. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 12:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. If only we had an ACTUAL media, things would be different |
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dawn (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
65. Everyone but Kerry is now a media target. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #65 |
79. Dean was the front runner |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #79 |
96. Several instances have been sited |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Prior to voting |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Oh so before it matters they discuss people |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. The rules didn't change for Dean |
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MODemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
68. Oh, it bother me, but it's as if our hands are tied |
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Nicholas_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
99. Dean targetted himself |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 03:58 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. Somehow the Kerry push poller didn't make your post |
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Nicholas_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #107 |
115. Really... |
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angryinoville (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
110. Does anyone remember... |
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Edwards4President (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #110 |
117. Regardless |
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