Edwards, Dean, and Clark -- combine forces to stop Kerry?

[Meldread]

Okay Dean puts out the word that he's willing to accept a Vice President Position. I've said it in the past a Edwards/Dean or a Dean/Edwards ticket would be a killer.

What would happen if Edwards were to take Dean as his VP and then take Clark as his Secretary of State (or Defense)?

They could pool all the delegates they've won, pool the voters who support them, and then combine forces to beat John Kerry. Frankly I believe this is the Alliance from HELL to fight Bush. Edwards is a fantastic speaker. Clark has GREAT experience with the Military. Dean has GREAT experience with domestic issues and can be the attack dog against Bush.

IMO, this would be a DREAM ticket for the Democrats. What does everyone else think?

Edwards in 2004 and 2008. Dean in 2012 and 2016. Clark in 2020 and 2024! Twenty years of the triple threat!

[TrueBlueDem]

1. Dean & Clark, yes, but Edwards will join with Kerry as his VP (nt)

[Meldread]

4. Nah I think that'll be Gepheart.

Why else would he be supporting him now?

[Teaser]

2. I think Kerry's the man...

Kerry's polling too well against Bush right now. Party higher ups will probably lean on people to keep this from happening.

But it's improbable anyway, so it may not matter.

[NV1962]

3. Electoral math doesn't make good policy

"Strange bedfellows" 'n stuff.

From a purely electoral POV, Clark/Dean (or Dean/Clark) has a relatively better "fit" (running as "Team Washington Outsider")

I've heard Clark/Edwards - Edwards/Clark suggested as a "Southern Strategy" ticket, but I don't think that takes the big wings in CA and NY into account - which IMO is necessary for the nomination, prior to running for November.

Also, as much as I want Clark to win, I'm sure Dean and Edwards supporters have similar hopes - and making a "monster coalition" just to unseat someone who seems to do well now doesn't strike me as the way to go, as much as I'd prefer Clark (and Dean; even Edwards) over Kerry.

The target is located at 1600 Penn Ave after all.

[Meldread]

8. Well I wasn't saying that.

Yeah it's partly to get rid of Kerry (who if he wins will cost us the GE), but on top of that we will make a MAJOR score against Bush.

Edwards is probably the best speaker out of Kerry, Clark, and Dean. He can convey emotion with words extremely well. Dean can energize and motivate. Those two talents weave together EXTREMELY well.

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

5. You realize it's a fantasy, don't you?

They cannot pool their delegates and supporters.

[mlawson]

6. Don't bother.

Too late. The pattern is set, the endorsements for Kerry are scheduled, the party establishment is running the rest of the primary season. They know how.

Kerry/Gephardt will be 'our' ticket. Whee.

[WWW]

7. Why do you want to beat Kerry?

Don't you want to beat Bush? Last time I looked this was the Democratic Underground. If not, I am on the wrong site. Kerry can beat Bush. Nuf said.

[bigwillq]

9. You have some valid points

1. I think Kerry could beat the Shrub
2. The above pollsters all want to beat Shrub but some are just frustrated that there candidate is not doing so well.
3. Yes, you are on Democratic Underground.

My points are
1. I think many of the potential nods could beat Shrub. Clark and Edwards are running well and even Dean is doing much better in some polls against the Shrub.
2. As a Dean supporter, I feel he still has a chance. There a lot of states to go. I think some are upset b/c yes the voters have given Kerry a few wins but it's like the media is declaring Kerry the nom when only about 10% up to today of the delegates were official.
3. I will vote for any of the noms I just want to beat the shrub.

[mlawson]

10. (No offense but) because we want to beat bush.

I have watched elections since 1960, and I simply can not imagine Kerry/Gephardt beating this criminal regime. I just can't. How will they draw in the 10-15% apolitical swing voters, who vote on looks, personality, excitement, the beer buddy test, and all that stuff? Like it or not, millions vote that way, and we have no choice but to understand that.

I really hope I am wrong.

[bigwillq]

11. And */Cheney will draw for their

"looks, personality, excitement, etc....??? Please explain.

[Meldread]

13. Actually if the rumors are true Cheney is toast.

GOP inner circles are buzzing with the rumor that President Bush is planning to drop Dick Cheney from his re-election ticket and replace him with 9/11 action hero Rudy Giuliani.

As one firmly committed to making sure Bush doesn't get another four years in office, all I can say to this is: Please, Mr. President, say it ain't so!

Cheney is the Democrats' best -- though sorely underutilized -- weapon. A loose-lipped loose cannon who threatens to torpedo the Bushie ship of state every time he half-opens his mouth. If only we start paying attention.

Perhaps sensing that Broadway Rudy is warming up in the bullpen, Cheney has begun upping his public profile. After rarely venturing out of his secure, undisclosed location -- aka Republican fund-raisers -- he has given a rash of high-profile interviews over the past month.


Read it all http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/files/020404.html">here.

[Taeger]

25. Giuliani marriage issues

Giuliani would neutralize any problems with Kerry's celebrity girlfriends.

On the other hand, Giuliani could help swing New York into the Repulican corner. New Yorkers could give a rip less about who screwed who.

[mlawson]

17. They did it in 2000.

SOMEthing has to explain how bush got 48% of the vote. Issues weren't really that big of a deal that year. Pundits and polls said that millions just 'felt more comfortable personally with bush', or something to that effect. Of course, the media helped push this idea along; and they really will, this year.

No, WE can't see it. We are mostly ideologues, and despise bush and everything he stands for. But millions vote for prez, just as they voted for high school class officers: by popularity. Which is more LIKABLE? We might be surprised who they would pick, this year.

[WWW]

14. Who said it was Kerry/Gephardt?

You did, no on else. It is either Kerry, Clark or Kerry, Edwards and trust me I know.

[mlawson]

18. You know??? I hope you are right.

But Gephardt was the VP buzz for the past two days, and it sounds right (in a tragic sense) to me. Gep's TURN, and all that insider stuff. I can easily imagine it.

[WWW]

21. Trust me, I overheard it yesterday n/t

[mlawson]

23. ??? What, and from whom??

Are you in the loop??? Hey, you must tell us, if you are. We will keep it a secret...

[WWW]

24. I am not in the loop

But I was standing next to Ted Kennedy's father-in-law yesterday at the Kerry function in Maine and overheard the conversation between him and another major Democrat. They were discussing the merits of Edwards vs. Clark as VP. It was very interesting. It was a bit heated, but never did Gephardt's name come into it.

[Julien Sorel]

15. A crucial demographic:

The beer buddy vote. Sadly, there is something to this.


Kerry/Gephardt makes sense as a way of trying to re-create the Gore majority of 2000, plus an extra state in the West or Midwest to make up a majority in the electoral college. Basically, write off the South and go after the rest. In a year in which the Republicans will be running on bible thumping issues it makes some sense, although it bothers me to cede 160 or so electoral votes virtually without a fight, plus the congressional seats that would go with them. We will see.

[BuelahWitch]

16. Kerry/Gephardt would be a suicide ticket n/t

[Meldread]

12. Kerry can't beat Bush.

Bush is already planning a major offensive against Kerry. He's going to crush him early -- he's going to define Kerry before Kerry has a chance to define himself. This will cost Kerry the South hands down.

Then if Ralph Nader or some other Popular Green Candidate decides to run for election that will siphon off votes in the swing states (like FL, again) and cost Kerry the GE.

Bush is going to paint Kerry as a traitor because of what he did when he came home from Vietnam. It worked on Max Cleland and it will work on Kerry.

Then Bush will focus on the Democratic Base and constantly remind them of how Kerry voted for the IWR and the Patriot Act. (Not directly of course, but the media will constantly talk about it until it's engrained into the minds of the Democratic Base.) This will cause moral for voters to fall and cause turn out to be lower than expected.

[WWW]

20. Yeah, okay

TV Commercial: Oct. 31, 2004, Kerry in his decorated military garb, side by side with Bush in his flight suit, with the Mission Accomplished sign in the background. Who am I going to vote for? Which one won't send my son to war?

Plus, the largest turnout in caucus and primary history for the Democrats? People are really mad right now and we will take this country back.

I really don't know why I am replying to your post. You know who I think you are and it ain't working.

[Nicholas_J]

19. Not even possible

In most states, you put togetther the support that any two of these candiodates have gained, and they still do not come out to more support than Kerry has. Add up Deans vote to ant of the other Edwards or Clark anywhere outside of the south in last tuesdays election and no combination comes up with more votes than Kerry got.

No one is coming to Deans rescue after the abuse he has heaped on the other candidates. No-one.

And none of them in any way come out ahead of Bush in polls taken as to who can win, not just with Democrats voting in those polls, but with Republicans.Kerry is the only candidate who in the majority pf polls beats bush by significant margins. Deans and Edwards lose to Bush by 7 or 8 points. Kerry beats him by 7.

[WWW]

22. And really that is the point

Do we want to beat Kerry or do we we want to beat Bush. You guys decide.

[NashVegas]

26. I Can't Vote for Edwards

"We don't need people like you (yankee carpetbagger) coming down here in the Sunday church hour (atheist) ..."

Those just aren't the words of someone who wants a united country.