Does anyone else ever feel we'd rather wallow in self-righteous defeat...

[DeepModem Mom]

than win elections? Or find something wrong with almost any one of our own? Or shoot a disliked messenger even when he or she delivers an occasional positive message? Or have trouble lightening up, and being open to, anything except attacks on Bush and his cabal?

[Jackpine Radical]

1. Ain't it fun to be a Democrat?

[DeepModem Mom]

4. Well said, JR -- thanks! I'm obviously having a down moment. nt

[Cooley Hurd]

2. I think it's a very small segment of DUers - most likely disruptors...

...who "doom & gloom" it. Those who aren't disruptors are just generally miserable people.

[bullimiami]

3. no. i think we would rather feel we had honest elections, win or lose.

i think our sense of fairness is stronger than our need to win.

no. i dont think as a group we have problems seeing faults of our own party.

disliked messanger? im not sure where you are coming from there.

i think we would lighten up a lot if the attacks against us were a little less unrelenting. we are under a constant barrage from the bush cabal and that makes it difficult to disconnect, maybe in fear that if you take your eye off the ball for a minute it will be stolen.

[Warpy]

5. Did we ever think we'd see such a bunch of dispirited wimps

knuckling under to the party's "packagers," afraid to speak their own minds and let the chips fall where they may, afraid of alienating the Repugs (who already hate all things Democratic), afraid of standing out, standing up, and standing for something besides the fact that they're not Repugs?

I'd rather vote for a genuine candidate with warts than a bland candidate I'm not sure will ever stand up for what's right, for what's lawful, and for what is best for me and all other non rich, non corporate citizens.

I don't think that's asking too much, really. I'm not asking to agree with someone, for a hero on a white horse to save me from all evil, or even for anyone who is as far left as I am.

I'm just asking for a real Democrat, unpackaged by admen.

[DeepModem Mom]

6. I'm afraid you're asking for a candidate who will lose --

if he's not packaged by admen. I'm afraid that's the reality.

[Warpy]

15. You mean like the admen lost all 3 branches of government?

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.

Sorry, but those admen are NOT doing us a service. This fear of losing has come to ensure losing.

[DeepModem Mom]

17. Nope -- not THOSE admen!

:-(

[seabeyond]

9. then kerry is your man

[acmejack]

10. Oh yes, he really fit that criteria!

BS :rofl: "You typed that with a straight face?" he asked incredulously?

[seabeyond]

13. then attack kerry. yes he did fit. and this is so predictable

the first post condemning all dems to spineless not speaking out, which is not true. and then when giving a dem that has been for the last two years,..... this kinda comment

i think the op point is proven. and it didnt take but a second. and so predictable

[cui bono]

14. did you miss the OP?

[Warpy]

12. The Kerry of the adman run campaign

who knuckled under to Mary Beth Cahill and refused to fight the Swifties, or the Kerry who is fighting the GOP in the Senate?

There's a big difference, you know, and it proves my point.

[seabeyond]

16. a kerry that thought the american people wanted a campaign

talking about his ideas..... and has stated he thought, he was wrong, he will do it different and has for two years. yes there is a difference. it is also clear why he made the decision he did. and man enough to say it didnt work, regardless of what the people (that he listened to, that we complain they dont listen to) say they want.

and in two years he has given you what you want

to ask if i am talking about the kerry of two years ago makes no sense, so just a meaningless jab

[acmejack]

25. Reporting for duty!

Guaranteed to open every Vietnam wound there was. Provided the opening for the Swifties to hit the water. He lost when he threw that salute...

Warpy is right a different guy without MBC.

[ClassWarrior]

21. I beg to differ.

Our real Democrats could stand to listen to real advertising professionals, and not the chummy-Shrummy consultant class in DC, whose only goal in life is to belong to the club.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

7. I feel a lot of Rape-Publican trolls would like us to think we do.

Psy-ops, y'know. I ain't buyin' it.

Never Give Up.

[aquart]

18. Thank you. It's a busy day for them.

I thank them for their concern, though.

[rockymountaindem]

8. Yep

Lots of evidence of that around here these days.

[Jade Fox]

11. Yes....

It's a problem I've noticed with the Left all my life--the preference for morally pure failure over success. It seems to be rooted in the belief that winning in a "corrupt" system means you have been corrupted too, not to mention the old axiom that "power corrupts", so we better not get any if we want to keep that moral purity of ours.

I also think this attraction to failure has to do with some--dare I say it--Christian martyrdom patterns deeply rooted in our culture. Our Christian hero Jesus was killed for his righteousness, and he certainly didn't win elections and take power!

[stillcool]

19. hmmm...

I do tend to tap into any one's misery...drawn to it like a fly to the flame. Self-righteousness is something I only see in others...never myself. Defeat suggests a personal responsibility to the outcome which I do not have. Shooting the messenger hinges on the message, and, lightening up sometimes requires outside intervention.

[DeepModem Mom]

20. Chuckle -- good post. nt

[TheWraith]

22. All too true.

People around here can find a cloud around the biggest silver lining.

[DeepModem Mom]

23. Nicely said! nt

[CarolNYC]

24. Oh, I definitely think

there are some here who would rather be the victimized minority than win. Victimhood has its appeal to many...not just here.

[calico1]

26. True.

I think some posters here like to be like the long suffering Red Sox fans (before they won) or the Cubs fans. It becomes like tradition to lose all the time so they expect it.