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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 06:44 PM
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Pat Buchanan discusses "this flamer, Mr. Foley" with Dead Intern Joe
Video: Buchanan pins blame for 'flamer' Foley on Dems, ABC

RAW STORY
Published: Friday October 6, 2006

VIDEO at this URL: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Video_Buchanan_has_strong_opinions_on_1006.html

Pat Buchanan expressed his outrage with the Foley scandal to MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, turning the blame onto Democrats and ABC News and using a demeaning term for homosexuals in the process.

His voice raised, Buchanan said to Scarborough, "We now hear that this flamer, Mr. Foley, was going after kids as early as 1998. I mean, you knew Foley. Did you know he was this kind of flamer who's after pages?"

Buchanan also questioned the moral standing of prominent Democrats who have associated publicly with gays. He targeted House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi in particular, alleging, "Mrs. Pelosi has marched in gay pride parades with the North American Man Boy Love Association, NAMBLA, which are pedophiles that are trying to get the laws repealed for sex between men and boys. If she's been marching with pedophiles, is she credible standing up there, saying, 'I'm shocked, shocked, that some Republican is after 17 year old pages'?"
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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 06:47 PM
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1. Didn't that happen last night on Scarborough???
Edited on Fri Oct-06-06 06:47 PM by Janice325
Other Repukes have tried to associate Pelosi, gay pride and NAMBLA.
I think the Repukes are very scared right now.
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 06:52 PM
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4. Yes, but Raw Story just posted it...
...there were quite a few threads last night on Buchanan's remarks. I'm not sure how many included the video clip. I like to give Raw Story a boost whenever possible. Raw, Crooks & Liars, Huffington Post and Media Matters are "must see" sites in my daily Web surfing.

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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 06:51 PM
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2. I saw that diatribe of Buchanan's last night.
His last comment was something to the effect that if he marched with the KKK he would be seen as espousing their views.

Umm Pat IMHO you've been a member of the KKK for years. What a moran!!!!!
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 06:52 PM
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3. The homophobia is flying fast and furious in this country lately.
I mean, is it really surprising that this creep is pushing, yet again, his hate? I've seen people here defend Pat Buchanan...because of him saying something negative about Bush. Well, folks...welcome to the other side of this disgusting homophobe. And ol' Pat just loves to link the gay community to NAMBLA...a disgusting group of pedophilies that the gay community has condemned.

I hate this goddamned story...because of this shit. Which, sadly, I've seen around here.
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 07:00 PM
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6. It's not easy to find respect in this world...
...God knows, I personally believe it should be freely given to every man, woman or child.

REGARDLESS of their gender.

REGARDLESS of their religion.

REGARDLESS of their ethnicity.

REGARDLESS of their sexual orientation.

It's the way I try to live my life. If I can change just ONE person, by EXAMPLE, I've done more than most.

We ARE who we ARE. The courage to BE that person, without "apology" or explanation, should be applauded. Sadly, in our society, it's not.

Ralph Waldo Emerson talked about "conformity" in his legendary essay "Self Reliance"...

Trust thyself: every heart vibrates to that iron string. Accept the place the divine providence has found for you, the society of your contemporaries, the connection of events. Great men have always done so, and confided themselves childlike to the genius of their age, betraying their perception that the absolutely trustworthy was seated at their heart, working through their hands, predominating in all their being. And we are now men, and must accept in the highest mind the same transcendent destiny; and not minors and invalids in a protected corner, not cowards fleeing before a revolution, but guides, redeemers, and benefactors, obeying the Almighty effort, and advancing on Chaos and the Dark.

What pretty oracles nature yields us on this text, in the face and behaviour of children, babes, and even brutes! That divided and rebel mind, that distrust of a sentiment because our arithmetic has computed the strength and means opposed to our purpose, these have not. Their mind being whole, their eye is as yet unconquered, and when we look in their faces, we are disconcerted. Infancy conforms to nobody: all conform to it, so that one babe commonly makes four or five out of the adults who prattle and play to it. So God has armed youth and puberty and manhood no less with its own piquancy and charm, and made it enviable and gracious and its claims not to be put by, if it will stand by itself. Do not think the youth has no force, because he cannot speak to you and me. Hark! in the next room his voice is sufficiently clear and emphatic. It seems he knows how to speak to his contemporaries. Bashful or bold, then, he will know how to make us seniors very unnecessary.

The nonchalance of boys who are sure of a dinner, and would disdain as much as a lord to do or say aught to conciliate one, is the healthy attitude of human nature. A boy is in the parlour what the pit is in the playhouse; independent, irresponsible, looking out from his corner on such people and facts as pass by, he tries and sentences them on their merits, in the swift, summary way of boys, as good, bad, interesting, silly, eloquent, troublesome. He cumbers himself never about consequences, about interests: he gives an independent, genuine verdict. You must court him: he does not court you. But the man is, as it were, clapped into jail by his consciousness. As soon as he has once acted or spoken with eclat, he is a committed person, watched by the sympathy or the hatred of hundreds, whose affections must now enter into his account. There is no Lethe for this. Ah, that he could pass again into his neutrality! Who can thus avoid all pledges, and having observed, observe again from the same unaffected, unbiased, unbribable, unaffrighted innocence, must always be formidable. He would utter opinions on all passing affairs, which being seen to be not private, but necessary, would sink like darts into the ear of men, and put them in fear.

These are the voices which we hear in solitude, but they grow faint and inaudible as we enter into the world. Society everywhere is in conspiracy against the manhood of every one of its members. Society is a joint-stock company, in which the members agree, for the better securing of his bread to each shareholder, to surrender the liberty and culture of the eater. The virtue in most request is conformity. Self-reliance is its aversion. It loves not realities and creators, but names and customs.

Whoso would be a man must be a nonconformist. He who would gather immortal palms must not be hindered by the name of goodness, but must explore if it be goodness. Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind. Absolve you to yourself, and you shall have the suffrage of the world. I remember an answer which when quite young I was prompted to make to a valued adviser, who was wont to importune me with the dear old doctrines of the church. On my saying, What have I to do with the sacredness of traditions, if I live wholly from within? my friend suggested, — "But these impulses may be from below, not from above." I replied, "They do not seem to me to be such; but if I am the Devil's child, I will live then from the Devil." No law can be sacred to me but that of my nature. Good and bad are but names very readily transferable to that or this; the only right is what is after my constitution, the only wrong what is against it. A man is to carry himself in the presence of all opposition, as if every thing were titular and ephemeral but he. I am ashamed to think how easily we capitulate to badges and names, to large societies and dead institutions. Every decent and well-spoken individual affects and sways me more than is right. I ought to go upright and vital, and speak the rude truth in all ways. If malice and vanity wear the coat of philanthropy, shall that pass? If an angry bigot assumes this bountiful cause of Abolition, and comes to me with his last news from Barbadoes, why should I not say to him, 'Go love thy infant; love thy wood-chopper: be good-natured and modest: have that grace; and never varnish your hard, uncharitable ambition with this incredible tenderness for black folk a thousand miles off. Thy love afar is spite at home.' Rough and graceless would be such greeting, but truth is handsomer than the affectation of love. Your goodness must have some edge to it, — else it is none. The doctrine of hatred must be preached as the counteraction of the doctrine of love when that pules and whines. I shun father and mother and wife and brother, when my genius calls me. I would write on the lintels of the door-post, Whim. I hope it is somewhat better than whim at last, but we cannot spend the day in explanation. Expect me not to show cause why I seek or why I exclude company. Then, again, do not tell me, as a good man did to-day, of my obligation to put all poor men in good situations. Are they my poor? I tell thee, thou foolish philanthropist, that I grudge the dollar, the dime, the cent, I give to such men as do not belong to me and to whom I do not belong. There is a class of persons to whom by all spiritual affinity I am bought and sold; for them I will go to prison, if need be; but your miscellaneous popular charities; the education at college of fools; the building of meeting-houses to the vain end to which many now stand; alms to sots; and the thousandfold Relief Societies; — though I confess with shame I sometimes succumb and give the dollar, it is a wicked dollar which by and by I shall have the manhood to withhold.


That's my personal message to you, terrya...be who you are and be PROUD of it, and TO HELL with anyone who doesn't "get it." I offer the same message to EVERYONE on DU...life is short. BE YOU.

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 06:55 PM
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5. yeah, he looks like a frenzied homophob!!! Stupid ass Buchanan
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 07:12 PM
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7. When was the boy-scandal ...
in the first bush white house? Wasn't Pat there?
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 08:05 PM
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8. When I saw that, I said, "Bay probably won't speak to him for a week!"
Just a thought.

Very few things are more sickeningly hypocritical than seeing Pat Buchanan pretend to attack ANY fellow republican. He is, and apparently always will be, one of their most loyal party members.
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