Some DUers on these boards need to read this:

[brentspeak]

Help these boards! Use that 'alert' button whenever necessary.

(From DU rules):

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[Warren Stupidity]

1. Fine. Alert me.

I am horrified by the failure of our party. Alert the fuck out of me. Please.

[Warpy]

20. There are indeed some Democrats I wish

had been defeated in primaries. So sue me.

Any Democrat who voted for torture and the suspension of habeas corpus is simply not worthy of the name. I would hope we could oust them at the first opportunity through primary elections.

In the meantime, they'll contribute to a body count, so we're stuck with them.

[Name removed]

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[Pithy Cherub]

7. Dems who don't uphold morality

should fully expect to be called on it. Dissent is patriotic. If you don't believe in it then the priniciples of the party have flown over your head.

[4morewars]

3. Thank You !

You should post that every day, for the next few weeks anyway !

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Yes please lets all send letters of thanks to the 34

fascist enablers in the house who did such a fine job voting to scrap some more of what was left of the constitution. Good Job! Hear hear!

[4morewars]

21. Easy man.

I don't think anyone here is happy with these so called Dems, or the path our country is going down.

Change takes time, we need at least one chamber in congress to start making these changes. We can deal with these traitorous shitheads after that.

[Warren Stupidity]

23. Dream on. The traitorous shitheads run our party. nt.

[Tyo]

28. Let the mods handle this

I'm not going to stop criticizing Dems who I think deserve it (or the DNC for that matter). Luckily there aren't very many.

But since when did it become the rule that we all have to walk in lockstep with each other? And who's going to be The Decider when it comes to what our Party Line is? That sounds to me like how the folks on the other side of the fence operate.

If speaking my mind as a member of the family gets me kicked out then fine. But it won't be you who does it, it'll be the ones who are actually running the show around here

[Tyo]

29. Sorry, meant to attach my last post to the main thread n/t

[WildEyedLiberal]

47. They do?

Nelson runs our party? Lieberman? Landrieu? Rockefeller? They run our party?

I had no idea.

:eyes:

[pnwmom]

38. Fight them in their next primary. But vote for them in the coming general

election. It's all about the "body count" as someone above said. Even the worst Dem counts in our drive to take majority -- which is absolutely essential if Congress is ever to exercise oversight of the Bush Administration.

[Pithy Cherub]

4. Get over yourself.

So-called dems that vote for torture and illegal and immoral wars DESERVE to be called out and called stupid.

[brentspeak]

8. The founders of this website wrote the rules.

Why don't you tell the admins to "get over yourselves"?

[Pithy Cherub]

9. Blog nanny is your job?

[brentspeak]

10. What are you so defensive about?

[Pithy Cherub]

11. YOU wrote the post.

[pnwmom]

39. Thanks for the timely reminder, Brentspeak.

[Cascadian]

54. Yes freedom of speech is such a bad thing.

We might as well forget having a convention in 2008 and just give Hillary the nomination now and toss Howard Dean from the DNC and have the DLC consolidate power. Then we can get rid of lawmakers like Dennis Kucinich, Jim McDermott, Barbara Lee, and Russ Feingold and replace them with those who will be in tune with the DLC. :eyes: :sarcasm: :eyes:


John

[meegbear]

5. How about some links?

[brentspeak]

12. Sure

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[meegbear]

14. i.e. examples about what you are referring to

[Warren Stupidity]

16. Oh just search for every one of my posts today.

I am livid with rage.

p.s. I will still cast my vote for the Loyal No Position Party.

[meegbear]

25. ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!

FREEPER! AHHHHHHH!

[bananas]

17. I haven't seen any. nt

[cboy4]

6. Why is it every time I read one of your posts, you're trying to act

as the Police Chief for Democratic Underground?

Hmmmm?

I think the moderators do a great job without you having to add your two cents every chance you get.

[Q]

13. There's nothing in these 'rules'....

...that says that one can't criticize the Democratic leadership if they're NOT DOING THEIR JOB. What IS their job? First and foremost...to protect and defend the Constitution and REPRESENT the best interests of the People.

It's too bad that 'some' think that ANY kind of criticism is out of bounds.

This is EXACTLY WHY the Bushies are out of control. No one in their own party dare criticize them.

It's even worse when the Democratic opposition won't join forces to bring them to justice.

Do not post broad-brush smears against those with ligitimate complaints against elected/appointed Democratic officials.

[AtomicKitten]

18. thanks for the reminder

Although it has been my experience that most think their criticism (rabid as it is sometimes) of candidates other than their pet project is constructive and perfectly okay.

[TechBear_Seattle]

19. What about "Democrats" who voted for torture?

Is it "constructive criticism" to call them traitors to everything America has ever stood for, and demand that they step down or be booted the fuck out of office no matter what?

[Warren Stupidity]

24. They are heros!

They are marching the Loyal No Position Party to victory! Shut the fuck up and sit down.

[Cascadian]

52. YEAH! That's right!

Sit down and be quiet. At least they aren't Republicans! Even if they vote to go to war with Iran we must support them and their decisions all the way!

:sarcasm:


John

[pnwmom]

40. No, actually, it isn't. We're facing a tough general election now.

And we have to retain all the Dem seats we have in order to take control of the House and or Senate.

The time to fight these people (the 34 house members and 12 Senators) constructively is during the primaries, not now.

[Name removed]

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[leesa]

48. Right, and the next time someone comes up to you and says they can't tell

the difference between the dems and repubs, you'll know why. It's because we keep letting them get away with this shit.

[Cascadian]

53. Yes. We all must keep quiet.

We all must get in lockstep with the Democratic Party or else! :sarcasm: Give me break!

We can vote for these people but we most certainly will not stop criticizing their errors of judgement. Unless you want to discourage freedom of speech. I think that would make you no better than the Republicans. Think about it.


John

[Name removed]

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[Liberal Dose]

26. I reserve the right to hold the feet of those who represent me to the fire

I reserve the right to ensure that the Democratic Leadership still realizes that they work for me.

I won't alert for dissent, as it is patriotic. I will alert for calls to defeat Democratic candidates in general elections, and calls to not bother voting.

If you are disappointed in your representatives, let them know. Let them know that you're holding your nose and voting for them this time, and if they don't clean up their act you'll do everything in your power to Lamont them right out of office.

:hi:

[applegrove]

27. Thanks for the reminder!!

[Solon]

30. You know that thing about glass houses? You should follow it....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2789723#2790044

[brentspeak]

32. ??

That post doesn't resemble your criticism.

[Solon]

33. In that thread, you defended another poster who...

Supports Lieberman's indpendent run, you are the second to LAST person to lecture ANYONE on party loyalty.

[brentspeak]

35. "If Lieberman is still a member of the Democratic party"

I didn't say "If Lieberman is NOT a member of the Democratic party".

In any case, I wasn't "defending" his vow to run as an independent or defending the other poster. I asked a rhetorical question. If you had searched my posts, you would have found several times where I criticized Lieberman's decision to run as an independent, and said that he should drop out and let Lamont run against the Republican.

You were saying?

[Solon]

36. Actually, I searched for through the past 3 months...

In the GD:Politics forum, and found a total of 2 of your posts, one about "Lieberman Fatigue" and the other I linked to.

[brentspeak]

34. s/d

wrong place

[Divine Discontent]

31. recommended

it has to be clear intent, because I don't want us to be like the bushes, but yeah, if it's repeatedly against the dems, and over the boundaries, I'll certainly click "alert" on the left side of the post

[wiley]

37. Wow. It actually says that?

Meaningless to the Freepers and Trolls and others paid or compelled to say whatever they have to in order to have their daily bowel movement.

[DancingBear]

42. Yes, alert me as well

When you do so, be sure and twist me as being devisive and inflammatory.

Heaven forbid my comments should be seen as honest.

If I play nice, will they put off my torture until NEXT Saturday?

I wanna watch football!!

The irony meter is pegged at 100%.

Might you know why????

[Don1]

43. I am Spartacus! n/t

[tblue]

44. Is our goal to end legalized torture? OK, here's what we're gonna do.

We're done with the Democrats who let us down. Let's all do this instead:

Send money to/volunteer for one or more of the following:

1) any Democrat running who voted NO on this BS torture bill
2) any of the Fighting Dems
3) any Democrat opposing a sitting Republican Senator/Representative
4) any Democrat running for Secretary of State (THESE RACES ARE CRUCIAL. WE DON'T WANT MORE KATHERINE HARRISES!)

NOT ONE OF THEM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS TORTURE BILL!

It doesn't have to be someone from your state or district. You can find SOMEBODY worthy of your money and/or your time, and they desperately need you. Democrats are outmatched in campaign dollars 5 to 1.

Here's one suggestion I think we can all get behind:

BENEDICT LIEBERMAN VOTED YES! SEND MONEY TO https://secure.nedlamont.com/page/contribute">NED LAMONT!!!

Dem majorities in the House or Senate are the first step toward overturning this crappy bill. We can do this!

[Cascadian]

45. I will praise Democrats when they do things right but...

I refuse to keep in lockstep with Democrats particularly if they vote against our own best interests. I will continue to call b.s. on those who vote along with the Rethugs. So if you want to push alert on me and those who think like me then bring it on!

Wake up and smell what these Vichy Democrats are shoveling along with the Neocons!


John

[lwcon]

46. As bitterly disappointed as I was with any Dem voting for torture...

... I'm glad you posted the reminder that our job is to help the only plausible opposition party to the people who pursued this agenda -- and all the other crap that's happened since Jan. '01.

With Dems in power, we would never see shit like this, so let's please remember those three awful words: Ralph. Nader. Florida.

We must stick together and win in November.

___

Hey, the liberal light is always on at

the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy. Please stop by and say

"hi!"

[katsy]

49. Easy.

There's a lot of good, loyal Democrats here who are hurting and need to vent.

But I think you should be nominated to serve as an aide to Senator Reid. You could probably whip a lot of those dinos into solidarity.

[jannyk]

50. The day I walk

in lockstep with anyone in power. The day I give up my right to question and challenge. The day I stop holding those in authority accountable for their actions. The day I bleat the party line because it would be wrong to question it. On that day, I'll know I've become a fucking republican!

Give it over Thumper. I think, therefore I am a Democrat.

[ProudDad]

51. That leaves out Leiberman

I've read 1000's of posts over the last 5 years on this board and I've never read any posts that "work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office"!

The OP looks like a "solution" in search of a problem...pretty much flame bait...