Is it illegal to have a paper trail in Florida?

[ngant17]

I just read ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.'s recent article at rolling stone:

<http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked/1>

"In Florida, an astonishing new law actually makes it illegal to count paper ballots by hand after they've already been tallied by machine."

I am pretty enraged about this. Who sponsored this bill? How was it made into law? This is the most disgusting news I have read this year!

Why isn't it being challenged?

[Erika]

1. It's Florida, the state who gave W the presidency

even though Gore had the popular votes. You think Harris was honest?

[tiptoe]

2. Leon Cty, FL Elections Sup. Ion Sancho explains the FL law w Brad Friedman

For transcript of one interview, see: ...and absence of laws ILLEGAL-izing use of paper ballots in recounts March 16, 2006

(Are there other states following the lead of Jeb Bush in guaranteeing electronic vote fraud won't be proved?)

Another audio interview between Brad Friedman and Ion Sancho (April 3, 2006) appears in the Audio section of Election Fraud '04 Guide (in sig below). In that interview, Ion Sancho clarifies that the law in Florida affirms what CAN be manually hand-counted (and implicitly what CANNOT):

The only votes in a recount that you may manually examine are overvotes, undervotes and provisional ballots. All of those are ballots which cannot be read by the machine. So, while it doesn't state that it is illegal to read machine-read ballots, by stating that you are only lawfully allowed to check the ballots which are not machine-readable, the opposite of that is you can't check the machine-readable ballots.
...
Florida even only allows the recount if it's within 1/4 of 1%...What you've done here [Harri Hursti Hack] you've taken a landslide in one direction and make it a landslide the other direction, you would not have any legal right to examine those ballots even to look at the undervotes and overvotes under Florida law...

...which has led Roy Saltman -- who is the only scientist ever employed by the government to study elections in the 20th century -- to write to the Miami Herald and tell them directly: "Florida's laws are a threat to Democracy."

Roy G. Saltman, THE HISTORY AND POLITICS OF VOTING TECHNOLOGY —In Quest of Integrity and Public Confidence First Edition, Jan 2006

[Botany]

3. How much more proof do we need?

"The data show with 99.0 percent certainty that a county's use of electronic voting
is associated with a disproportionate increase in votes for President Bush.

bush did not win 2000 or in 2004. When do we get our country back?

In Ohio the repugs passed and Gov. Taft signed HB 3 that has the following:
Photo I.D. to vote
No looking @ machine's software
No looking @ machine's hardware
No looking @ central tabulator's software
No looking @ central tabulator's hardware
No forensic examinations of election data
Recounts are now priced out of possibility

[windbreeze]

4. When are WE going to smarten up?

IF they can do it...and NOW they have outlawed recounts...they have played right into our hands, haven't they?....get my gist....two can play any game...but one has to be smarter than the other...my only question is...are we???
wb

[tiptoe]

5. "Vote 'n Rig 2006 Voting Machine" video skit, noting many of your points:

Electronic Voting Machines = VoteNRig Skit