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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:03 PM
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How does calling a country's president the devil different from calling
a country (or its leader) "evil?"

Just wondering
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:06 PM
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1. It doesn't, really...
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 01:06 PM by marmar
But when Bush says it, he's has a "higher moral authority." :puke:
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:06 PM
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2. its a tad more direct
the devil is the king of evil whereas those who are evils can merely be agents of the devil... But I get your point, I made it over lunch.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:08 PM
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3. It doesn't
So why is it orgasmic when Chavez does it and horrific when Bush does it.
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:27 PM
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12. I agree 100%
but we are sadly in the minority on the hypocrisy thing here.

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:08 PM
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4. Let me take a stab at this!
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 02:01 PM by KansDem
Because...our president...was...the one...who...um...uh...called a foreign country...or leader...uh...um..."evil"...and that makes it o.k. But...a foreign leader...who calls...our president...um...uh..."the devil"...is wacko???

Did I get it right? :D

on edit: Oh, I get it now...it's the "D"--"evil" is o.k., but "devil" isn't. Man, this logic thing is hard!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:10 PM
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6. Or vicy-versy
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 01:10 PM by sandnsea
Which makes me bang my head about leftist hypocrisy the same way I do about right wing hypocrisy.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:10 PM
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5. That's absolutely correct...
which is why Chavez made his comments so over the top. It's also why he got such a huge ovation. Chimpy thinks he can run all over the world imperiously and most hypocritically calling this guy evil and that guy a terrorist. People like Chavez have had enough.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:12 PM
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7. Evildoers, Axis of Evil, etc.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:12 PM
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8. Because it's true and truth is like kryptonite to most Republicans? n/m
n/m
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:12 PM
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9. All I know is that Chavez got more laughs with his line.
And I'm still laughing. Reagan and Bush weren't going for laughs.
They were decorating their demagouery..ism...ishness.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:19 PM
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10. Is this a trick question? Is it because the Devil is evil incarnate?
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 01:22 PM by no_hypocrisy
Is it because evil is an adjective and the Devil is a noun, representing an entity that is recognized by a certain demographic as true and real as you and me? Is it because it takes the concept of evil to its highest application?

Honestly, I don't see the difference between calling someone evil or the devil, nor do I see the difference between Chavez and Bush calling each other names like 5-year old boys on a playground.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:23 PM
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11. It's just FundiSpeak
Like when they get up there and say 'Homosexuality is evil!'

And a gay person stands up and says, '.. but I'm not evil!'

The reply is "I DIDNT CALL -YOU- EVIL, now did I?"

<sigh>
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:28 PM
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13. i am rubber you are glue whatever you say bounces off me and
sticks on you

--bush mantra
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:42 PM
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14. The wording appears to take the burden off the American people.
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 01:43 PM by Poll_Blind
  Just a thought. I was thinking about the wording myself. Chavez has made a point of courting the American people while verbally excoriating the Boosh Administration, itself. Calling Boosh "the Devil" has a different inflection than, for instance, the Ayatollah Khomeini calling the United States (collectively) "The Great Satan" or Ronald Reagan collectively calling the former Soviet Union "an evil empire".

  Truthfully, when rhetoric reaches biblical or eschatological levels, such nuances are lost in the halo of emotion around those words or phrases.

  Among the pantheon of nicknames for Bush that Chavez has used, I personally favor "Mr. Danger" but to the American ear that might have a favorable, even Bond-ish, ring.

PB
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:43 PM
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15. it doesn't, and it probably gets a similar reaction
Do you think that the citizenry of the countries whose governments chimpy has labelled as "evil" have all stood up applauding chimpy or do you think that, just maybe, some of them didn't much like chimpy saying it...
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:43 PM
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16. Or a "madman" as chimpolini routinely calls people he
doesn't like.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:46 PM
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18. Does Bush set the bar for conduct? Or should the bar be set higher?
:shrug:
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SDDEM06 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:55 PM
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19. We need to make the pie higher.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:39 PM
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20. I'm jus' tryin' to put food on my family ...
Bake
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:45 PM
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17. So because Bush is a poor diplomat, that excuses poor diplomacy?
Many here rightfully deplored Bush's language with axis of evil and evil doers and all that bullshit.



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