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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:24 AM
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The final word on Hillary Clinton (IMHO)
Doesn't matter if you love her or hate her, you have to admit she is one very smart lady.

With that said, I believe she knows she can't win on 08 if she were to run for President.

I do believe she will probably have an exploratory committee, just to watch the other sides heads explode if nothing else, which will play right into the Democrats hand.

If I were to bet money on who is going to shape the next Presidential, I would put all my money on Hillary Clinton.

Some see her as a barracuda, some see her as a saviour. I see her as someone I want on my side when all is said and done.


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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:27 AM
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1. Are you saying she'll be the kingmaker, but never the king (or queen .....
.... in her case)?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:37 AM
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3. I'm saying she is going to shape the 2008 Presidential election.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:15 AM
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8. That's pretty much what you said in the OP ......
.... and it still leaves (to me) my question unanswered.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:30 AM
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2. I see her as OUR barracuda. nt
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:38 AM
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4. Right now the Democrats need one.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:50 AM
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5. now oooooh Jack! Barracuda!
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:53 AM
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6. very capable lady
yes I think you are right thta they may explore
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:13 AM
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7. She could do all the prep work and hand it to Gore. nt
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:43 AM
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9. Absolutely correct
How you feel or think about her is irrelevant. She simply cannot win in 08'
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rooney Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 12:38 PM
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10. I would really like to see her stay in the senate and become
the leader there. I believe she could do more to help us there for a number of years. It is going to be hard for her to withstand the barriage of junk that will come her way by the repugs. They would never let Bill and Hillary, in the white house have any peace.
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dunn Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:37 PM
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11. I think Bill Clinton should run again. I think he would be our best shot.
n/t
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FILAM23 Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:51 PM
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12. I see her as
a power hungry bitch.. She is the one nominee that would either make me vote 3rd party
or not vote at all.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:51 PM
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13. I think she could do anything she sets her mind to.
I remain not thrilled with the IWR vote, but I spread that displeasure among all 28 Dem Senators who voted for it. That said, I think she functions brilliantly in the Senate and perhaps becoming Speaker will be her legacy. I would like to see a less fractious presidential race in 2008 but, let's face it, the GOP Wrecking Machine will attempt to annihilate whomever we put up.
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:00 PM
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14. Most of us could forgive the IWR, but not the subsequent war support
A lot of Dems did support the IWR in the Senate, but most coldly examined the evidence as the fiasco accumulated and came to strongly oppose the war-- John Edwards and John Kerry being strong examples. Hillary Clinton has not done this-- she's continued to support the war and even its intensification. What's more, she was among the most strident fanning the flames of the Lebanon War recently, and has been lobbing verbal missiles at Syria and also against Iran.

Only Joe Lieberman among the other Dem (in this case, former Dem) Senators has been remotely as hawkish. Sorry, but that's just too close to the neocon line.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:08 PM
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15. There is much anger based on an impression
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 02:10 PM by AtomicKitten
cultivated by sound bytes, but her speeches make her position more clear, and that in conjunction with a liberal voting record in the 90+% range dispel much of the notion that she is a "neocon," at least for me. Her support of Israel is no different than 99.9% of all other Dems, and no offense, but I believe your impression of her "strident" support is colored by your prejudice against her.

What she is doing is compensating for being a woman in a pasty-faced white man's world in politics by hedging her bets and injecting testosterone in her aura. That is often misconstrued as hawkish.

Regardless, after communing on DU for a year now, I am of the opinion that other than trying to insert an air of fairness regarding HRC, I don't want to listen to the kvetching and hand-wringing regarding her possible candidacy. It distresses me more than you know to hear the incessant drumbeat against a possible contender particularly since there is a real possibility she may chosen as the nominee.

Rather I'm looking to Al Gore as the candidate that seems to bridge the schism between most factions in the Democratic Party. I want to go forward united (as much as that is possibe) as the strong, smart body I know Democrats can be.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:19 AM
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20. IMNSHO that's not how we should look at votes for the IWR
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 10:21 AM by AlGore-08.com
The real problem with folks who voted for the IWR, is that "yes" vote shows that they lack important qualities we'd need in a President. There are only two reasons to have voted for the IWR:

1.) They agreed with the Bush admin that the war was necessary. This means that the person who voted for the war lacks the ability to find out what the real world consequences of their policies. There were a number of people and groups who, while the IWR was being debated in Congress, correctly pointed out that Saddam had no role in 9/11, that a war in Iraq would hamper or even "loose" the "war against terror", that there was no exit plan and that could turn Iraq into the next Vietnam, that it could lead to a regional war, etc. But folks who voted for the war either lacked the ability to determine who was right in this argument - - or they had a Smirk-like lack of curiosity which led them to not even research the issue.

Either way, it doesn't bode well for that person's future decisions. Even if things are so bad in 2008 that a ham sandwich with a "D" after it's name can be elected President, the far right will not disappear. We will not be free of folks like "Curveball" who want the U.S. to use our troops to overthrow their political opponents. We will not be free from folks in the intelligence and military communities who feel that the only solution to an international problem is to go to war.

The folks who voted for the IWR would face similar hard choices as President. What makes anybody think that they'll suddenly develop decision making skills because a Marine band plays "Hail To The Chief" every time they enter a room?

2.) They knew that the war was not necessary but the political benefits of voting for the war were more important to them than the consequences of that war. This is abhorrent, but some of the folks who voted for the war undoubtedly did so because they were afraid of the political consequences of voting against it. Even worse, some voted for the war, knowing it was bogus, because they wanted to be able to ride the mindless flag waving to the White House.

Again, Smirk's leaving in 2008 will not end political pressures for pols to do stupid, hurtful things. If somebody lacked the spine to vote "No" on the IWR, what makes anybody think that they will spontaneously grow one just because they take Air Force One to their family reunions?

IMNSHO, the argument that "I wasn't voting for the war, I was voting to authorize Smirk to go to war if he really needed to" is the worst of both of these faults wrapped up in one ugly sound byte. For this to be true, the person who voted for the IWR had to lack the ability to figure out that voting to authorize the war could lead to a war - - and what the consequences of that war would be. Or, again, it shows that they think that they can vote for the war while it was popular and paint themselves as the victims now that it's unpopular.

On one level, it doesn't matter whether somebody voted for the IWR because they couldn't figure out it was a bad idea, or because they value human life less than their career. Either one shows that person does not have the qualities we will need in the nex President.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:21 PM
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16. Hillary will win convincingly in 2008
and it will be huge for Democrats; a repudiation of over a decade of ugly republicanism smearing Democrats from 1992 through today.

She'll be alot tougher on them than Bill was too. Hillary won't take nearly as much crap as he did, in large part because she'll have the support of a finally-revitalized progressive politic which was apathetic and disinterested while Bill was fighting these thugs.

I'm relishing the thought of being an attack dog for Hillary. Stay off the internets, conservative Hillary-haters. You won't like it.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:22 PM
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17. Hillary Clinton will be our next president.
Great campaigner. Great leader. Very popular. Will be re-elected to the senate with cloe to 70% of the vote.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:32 PM
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18. I have to agree.
I like her. I don't like all her actions and votes...but there's not one person in Congress I can say that about. Overall, she's definitely one of my favorites. I think she'd make a great President - but I do wonder if she could pull it off.

In your opinion, do you think she'd take a VP role? I could see more people accepting that than Pres. And, then maybe after 8 years, she could then take Pres, after she's "proven herself?" Just a thought.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 07:23 AM
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19. Thats a very good possibility.
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