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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:21 PM
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Open Letter to: Head-Up-His-Ass Harris ...
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 11:06 PM by NanceGreggs
Dear Mr. Harris:

Re your article “Head-in-the-Sand Liberals”, http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-harris18sep18,0,1897169.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail, as recently published in the Los Angeles Times, you will forgive me for taking issue with the positions expressed in your article, to whit:

“This may seem like frank acquiescence to the charge that ‘liberals are soft on terrorism’. It is, and they are.”

Exactly who are these ‘soft’ Liberals, I wonder? Is it the Liberals who fought tooth-and-nail to establish the 9-11 Commission, in an attempt to better understand our national security failures in order to correct them? The Liberals whose pleas for cargo inspection at our ports have gone unheeded? The Liberals whose calls for increased security at our nuclear and chemical facilities have been dismissed?

“The truth is that there is every reason to believe that a terrifying number of the world's Muslims now view all political and moral questions in terms of their affiliation with Islam. This leads them to rally to the cause of other Muslims no matter how sociopathic their behaviour”

I keep trying to figure out what harm Muslim extremists can do to my country that is not already being done by my own government.

A release of poisonous chemicals into our major cities? That’s already a done deal. It’s being done on a continuing basis by corporations across the country, with not only the approval but the aid of our government. I guess the biggest difference here is that a terrorist would unleash some toxic agent on those he perceived to be his enemies, while the corporate polluters foul the air and water supply of their fellow countrymen. Besides, your average terrorist will do the job for free; corporations, on the other hand, charge the consumers of their products for the privilege.

Destroying our economy? A diabolical plot that takes time and patience. But again, a plot already in the works. One only has to look at the soaring debt this administration continues to run up to realize how dire the situation is. Add to that the outsourcing of American jobs that are not being replaced, and the tax burden that will be passed on to the next generation. Can there be any doubt that we face economic collapse in the not too distant future? And not so surprisingly, not a single Muslim extremist was needed to accomplish the deed.

Take away our freedoms? Mission already accomplished. Spying, wire-tapping, access to mail, internet activity and personal records, warrantless searches, being held without charge with no legal recourse – been there, done that. And not a single follower of Islam had to lift a finger.

As for ‘sociopathic behaviour’, perhaps you didn’t get the memo advising of its new name. It’s now called Neo-conservatism, and it has little resemblance to the religion of Islam.

“A cult of death is forming in the Muslim world ... The truth is that we are not fighting a ‘war on terror.’ We are fighting a pestilential theology and a longing for paradise.”

Yes, there is a ‘cult of death’ forming, sir. And it is being perpetrated not by the ‘pestilential theology’ of Islam, but the theology of the PNACers who hold sway over the current administration.

It requires no shock-and-awe event nor political coup, because it utilizes the easiest option of all: to simply stand back and watch Americans die by their own hand: Send troops into combat without sufficient equipment. Ignore warnings of imminent natural disaster and watch people drown. Deny basic health care to the masses. Make life-saving medication unaffordable. Increase the number of those living in poverty and let disease, malnutrition and homelessness do the job for you.

Foment hatred and intolerance between ethnic groups, religious denominations, political party members, economic classes, and wait for the inevitable destruction. Create joblessness and its attendant desperation and despair, then reduce the number of police in major cities while violent crime rises.

Funnel taxpayer dollars into a senseless, unwinnable war, as well as the pockets of those who profit from its continuance. Watch the mayhem that ensues while the infra-structure of your own country deteriorates for lack of funds. Reward the incompetent, the corrupt, the greedy, while pointing a finger at the inherent laziness of those whose back-breaking work created the wealth in the first place.

Widen the gap between the haves and the have-nots, the educated and those kept deliberately dumbed-down, the power brokers and the powerless, those who are unwilling to surrender their birthright as Americans and those who will sell their own souls in exchange for the delusion of safety and security.

On this side of the world, the current ‘longing for paradise' has less to do with seventy-two virgins than it does with off-shore, tax-exempt bank accounts, stuffed to overflowing with funds that can hardly be described as ‘virgin’ cash.

”At its most extreme, liberal denial has found expression in a growing subculture of conspiracy theorists who believe that the atrocities of 9/11 were orchestrated by our own government.”

Well, that’s what happens, sir, when ‘our own government’ refuses to answer the most obvious of questions, and instead proffers nonsensical explanations for their actions and whereabouts on the day in question – only to be proven to have lied when the facts eventually find their way into the light. Go figure.

“In their analyses of U.S. and Israeli foreign policy, liberals can be relied on to overlook the most basic moral distinctions. For instance, they ignore the fact that Muslims intentionally murder non-combatants, while we and the Israelis (as a rule) seek to avoid doing so.”

Liberals overlook the most basic moral distinctions? Would that include overlooking the current admissions by Bush and his cohorts of what Americans have long suspected, but which has now been confirmed: secret prisons and the use of torture?

I haven’t noticed any Liberals overlooking that, have you? Again I suspect you didn’t read the last ‘official’ briefing, Mr. Harris. Torture is no longer the sole property of the non-Christian barbarians we have been urged to hate and fear. It is now as American as Coke and Pepsi – and I’m sure McTorture Happy Meals will be available to wholesome, family-values-oriented, rich white Christians just in time for this year’s War on Christmas festivities.

As for saying that we and the Israelis ‘as a rule’ try to avoid civilian casualties, that’s pretty much like saying that Hitler – despite six million deaths – was, ‘as a rule’, a steadfast protector of the Jews.

Unfortunately, Mr. Harris, the facts are in. Look at the number of civilian deaths caused by the US in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as those caused by the Israelis in Lebanon. If we are non-intentionally killing this many innocent civilians, US and Israeli forces must have the worst aim in military history.

As for the use of ‘human shields’, most Americans are familiar with the concept. That’s just another name for the US military casualties that Bush and his supporters hide behind, hoping that no one will recognize their incompetence, their lack of morals, and their ulterior motives.

As far as I know (all US law currently open to revision without warning), you are still perfectly free to quiver in the wake of the Muslim boogeymen this administration has created; free to hide under your bedcovers, convinced that every Muslim in the world wakes up in the morning thinking not of prayer nor a peaceful existence, not of watching their children grow and prosper, not of living in a world where they can worship God free of persecution, but are instead focused on destroying the American way of life – despite the fact that so-called patriotic Americans are already on-the-job.

Far be it from me to dissuade you from your paranoia, which you are obviously so heart-set on embracing.

But just a word to the wise: If you walk home through some dark alley late at night, and someone grabs you from behind and whisks you away – never to be seen nor heard from again – the chances are pretty slim it will be a crazed Islamic extremist, while the chances of it being some US government agency, unhappy with your position on any number of things, is a real possibility.

So while you worry about the enemy who allegedly lurks in your closet, Mr. Harris, I’ll keep my eyes focused on the real enemy who lurks in the White House, the Senate, the Congress, the churches, the courtrooms and the mainstream media.

While you tilt at the neo-con-induced windmills you are convinced are bent on your personal destruction, I and my fellow Liberals will keep a vigilant watch over the obvious foe.

The November mid-term elections are almost upon us, and I doubt you would dispute the importance of their outcome.

How many Islamic fundamentalists own electronic voting machines? How many Republican fat-cats and neocons, whose financial and political success depends on the vote outome, own electronic voting machines?

Food for thought, Mr. Harris. A little something for the incurably fearful to fill their bellies with while democracy starves.

Yours Most Truly,
Nancy Greggs
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:26 PM
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1. May I be the first to K&R this piece
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 10:27 PM by Jack Rabbit
Could you provide a link to the original? I can use some outrageous humor tonight.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:45 PM
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3. I've since edited to add the link ...
... if you're looking for outrageous humour, THIS is what you've been looking for ...
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:56 PM
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5. Muchas gracias, señora
Yeah, that filled the bill.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 11:14 PM
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6. Honest to God ...
... if you put this Harris guy's piece of crap together with the ramblings of Kristol and Frum, all you'd have to add is a Benny Hill soundtrack to have the comedy hit of the season.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 11:17 PM
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7. Kristol, Frum and Benny Hill
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 12:12 AM by Jack Rabbit
EDITED for typing

That sounds like a real Perle of wisdom.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 11:26 PM
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8. Bill for new keyboard ...
... on its way to you for prompt payment.

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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:44 PM
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2. Supreme rebuttal
As always Nancy knocks it out of the park.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:45 PM
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4. Beautiful...K&R!
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 11:31 PM
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9. "Head-Up-His-Ass Harris" sums him up pretty well
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 11:47 PM by bloom
Unfortunately he has quite the following by some DUers - who seem to think that Harris is the cat's meow or something.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=88886&mesg_id=88886

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=214&topic_id=74019


It's sad to see Harris getting play in liberal type of arenas - like Huffingpost and Alternet.


I think that Harris is to Atheists what Falwell is to Fundamentalists and what Pipes is to Jews. Preaching the defense of Israel and the destruction of Muslims, torture, and all the rest.

Since Harris is an atheist - many assume he is also liberal. I do not and his diatribe in the LATimes seems to confirm that.

Just to see - I Googled Harris and Pipes (a signatory to the PNAC) and was not surprised to see that they share a following. Seems that some may not follow his anti-(all)-religious stance - but they sure like his "Muslims are worse than anyone else" arguments.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Daniel+Pipes%22,+%22sam+harris%22&hl=en&lr=&client=safari&rls=en&start=0&sa=N
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Jack Frost Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:07 AM
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13. what do atheists have to do with it???
I'm an atheist and I'm a liberal, and this is the first I've even heard of this Harris person, whom I would hardly consider liberal.

Atheism has absolutely NOTHING to do with politics, so please don't equate atheism with any political affiliation or viewpoint. We're everywhere, in every walk of life, in every part of the political spectrum.

Just because someone is critical of religion, does not mean their political views can be attributed to atheists. Assuming so would be naive at best, at worst ignorant of both politics and atheism.

Harris has is own opinions. I don't agree with much of what I've seen of his here, and I think it's rather insulting to us Atheists to assume ANYONE is to us what Falwell is to some religious fanatic. Atheists by definition are not followers. We're fiercely independent thinkers, which is exactly what made us become Atheists in the first place.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 12:28 AM
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18. There is a group of atheists
who like to hang out in the Religion/Theology Section. They like to be "vigilant" together against people they disagree with.

Many of them have read Harris's book and quote him and say things like, "Sam Harris and I see eye to eye on a lot of things." Some of them are more anti-religion than other atheists - and seem to have picked this up from Harris - or each other - or other websites with similar ideas.

I consider intolerant anti-religious atheists to be Fundamentalists in a similar way that religious Fundamentalists are intolerant of secular people. And I think that Harris is promoting a version of anti-Islamism that exactly like what Pipes promotes and what Falwell and the Fundamentalists promote. And I think that it is all a way of promoting the PNAC plan.

Religion does relate to politics and is used by politicians. A lot of people around here equate the whole Bush phenomena to religious people - esp. to Fundamentalist Christians (even if the Fundamentalists are just being used). And some seem to think that their atheism removes them from that tarnish. Some of them associate any Christian with the Rapture and all that sort of nonsense - and make no distinction. They don't seem to get that the Fundamentalists are just one group of Christians. (Or maybe they - like Harris - see them as all "bad").

I get that there are atheists of many persuasions. I consider myself to be a liberally religious atheist. But like I said - independent as atheists are - I have also seen how they like to form groups as well - and how intolerance is fostered. And the web being what it is - it would not be surprising to me to have the CATO institute or some other thing looking for ways to manipulate atheists (those who do group together - find others similar to themselves, etc.) just like they have other groups.

And look how Harris plays this. Has this big anti-religious following - and then turns it into - well I really hate the Muslims the most - and if you don't then you're not rational. How perfect to snare another group to follow the neo-cons into their hell-hole. And there are quite a few neo-cons who have already found Harris and think he's great. It looks to me that Harris has more neo-con defenders follow him than liberals. And I expect that will be doubly true now.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:15 AM
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10. That would be #5
long overdue
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:05 AM
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11. Thanks Nance - we need to keep reminding people of facts
I love this entry because you are doing what I try to do in daily life every time one of my so called "conservative" colleagues starts up with the "liberals are deluded" and Liberals don't understand what is at stake" BS.

The good news is that the mantra has become very much weakened and they start sputtering a lot sooner than they used to. I sense that even the most die hard brain dead talking point consumers are realizing that we are witnessing the destruction of America. They are seeing that the destruction of which we speak - the destruction of the American way of life - is being carried out by the people they so readily handed power too in the cowardly desire to be "protected by daddy."

Please keep writing, and I'll keep talking. Hopefully you and I and thousands of others can turn this tide. I only hope it's not too late.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:26 AM
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12. kick
I was glad to see this make the home page.
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:36 AM
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14. K & R! As usual, Nancie exposes the REAL Enemy
The enemy of the Human race is not only the Islamo-Fascist Extremists over there but the Chisto-Fascist Extremists over here.

The enemy is Al Quida and the Republican Party, the world's top two terrorist groups.

Wake up, Mr Harris. Both sides want World War III between the Judeo-Christian World and the Islamic World, to either "conquer the world for Christ" of "force the infidels submit to the will of Allah."

To save the human race from annihilation, we must destroy the enemy over here before we can destroy the enemy over there. The Republican Party must die (politically, not physically) so America can live. Mr Harris, you can either help us start the destruction of the GOP at the ballot box on November 7th or get out of the way!
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:43 AM
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15. Excluding the middle
Dear Nancy,

There is much to praise in this piece and I have always liked your posts. But here I will point out that I think you are adopting a misleading frame, playing into Harris's hands and fulfilling his stereotype of liberals in denial about terrorism. Why adopt the formulation "THE real enemy" and "THE obvious foe"? That implies, falsely, an either/or dichotomy, as if the American people can't possibly be threatened BOTH by our own government AND by external foes. Islamic extremism is hardly a "neo-con induced windmill"; it's a horrendously destructive force in the world THAT HAS BEEN INFLATED VASTLY BY THE INEPTITUDE AND MALICE OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. (And is mainly a danger to residents of Islamic countries and Europe.)

Cheers,

CYD

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:42 PM
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17. I take your point, but ...
I believe the threat at home FAR outweighs the threat from anywhere else. And this whole War on Terror bullshit is just that -- bullshit.

Are there anti-Americans out there who pose a possible threat to our country? You betcha! So why is this administration doing absolutely everything imaginable to incite MORE anti-American sentiment?

"Hey, lady, I see that brush fire is getting close to your house -- let me grab some gasoline and see if I can put it out before it spreads."

They're allegedly protecting America from terrorists. That's why we're spending over a billion dollars a week in Iraq, and barely a penny on improved security measures at airports, nuclear and chemical facilities, and our borders. Don't let that baby on board a plane with a bottle of formula -- but don't bother to inspect the cargo in the hold.

Sorry, but I can't take this whole terrorist threat thing seriously when my own government isn't taking it seriously themselves.

And exactly what are they allegedly protecting? Well, our rights and freedoms, of course! Wouldn't those be the same rights and freedoms the government is taking away from us? What's the concept here, saving the 'terrorists' the trip?

There's always the chance that my house will be burglarized. But burning it to the ground myself to keep it safe from potential theives is not, IMHO, my solution of choice.

I'm not in denial about terrorism. Yes, it exists; always has, probably always will. But I refuse to be distracted by the threat of the burglar on the other side of the country, when there's already one in my dining room stealing the silverware.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:19 AM
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16. CONservatives
When I read a comment such as this is makes me very angry. Very angry that we are filled with the crap that the MSM spew to us every day. It makes me angry that we as democrats and liberals are not allowed to voice our opinions in comments such as Nancy Greggs just posted. That we are not allowed to hear what this administration is really doing to our great country.

Something is very wrong in this country, when only one side of view is played over and over on all forms of our media, TV, radio, and press. It is about time our voices were heard and loud and clear. And the poopoganda that fills the airwaves from such as Limbaugh, the Fox Boys and all the others is stifled and regulated to where it belongs. Fiction.
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