I Don't Like Iran's Dictator

[ruggerson]

And just cause he hates Bush doesn't make him a good guy.

He's an American hating piece of shit.

And those of you who think he's a good guy, because he lays into Bush in a speech, really have nothing in common with the Democratic party or its ideals and goals.

[Redstone]

1. The enemy of our enemy is not always our friend. Sometimes, he's

just as much of an asshole as the other enemy.

As in this case.

Redstone

[Sparkly]

17. Oh, thank you!!

I've said that many times here!! :thumbsup:

[question everything]

103. Perfect. And this holds also for Castro and Chavez (nt)

[knowbody0]

2. I am not going to defend him,

but he was elected by the people of Iran, so he is not a dictator.

[earthside]

62. I just read his speech.

As far as this particular speech is concerned, I don't understand why anybody but the Bushites and neocons have a problem with what Iran's president said.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2005/iran-050918-irna02.htm

[knowbody0]

65. I agree with you

point for point, he is at least more diplomatic and charismatic than our dear leader.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

67. This is from last year. (60th session of the UN Gen. Assembly)

Interesting how relevant it still is (perhaps more so?) today...

[Freedom_from_Chains]

3. And who appointed you as guardian of the Democratic Party?

[Stinky The Clown]

15. You sayin' the Iranian terrorist (yes, he is) is a good guy?

He was part of this group ....



That did this



Then and now

[Freedom_from_Chains]

22. I didn't say he was or wasn't, of course I am not so simplistic

that I think people are either all good or all bad, but who are you to say it's my way or the highway. That's all I was wondering.

[Redstone]

26. And, again, where did the Husb2sparkly say "my way or the highway?"

Looked to me like he just offered an opinion.

Redstone

[Stinky The Clown]

41. I didn't ......

I just pointed out some info and allegations about him.

He's no good guy.

[acmejack]

53. It was demonstrated that is not the same person

Doesn't mean I like him so nobody start accusing me. I spent a miserable month & a half on Diego Garcia, floated around Gonzo Station forever, visited beautiful Massirah, so I have no love for the hostage takers. But the people whose job it is to know claim that he wasn't the same guy.

Ain't no point in getting into these stupid arguments amongst ourselves when there are only 49 shopping days left until the elections and the assholes are coming up in the polls. Lets trash republiclowns or do something else fun and constructive...

[ShortnFiery]

30. That has NOT been proven - they are look alikes but no PROOF

to be the same people. I've met a woman who had MANY of my characteristic looks to the point people could consider us twins, but we were NOT.

Again, we have our own religious NUTS in house. We don't have to like The Leader of a Sovereign Nation but we have no right to go "Imperial bat-shit mad on him" because of our own despicable counterparts in this nation (Jesus freaks who wish to kill a terrorist for GOD! :puke:)

[CarlVK]

75. If you call those two look-alikes.....

I have two words for you....LASEK SURGERY.

[ShortnFiery]

98. Thanks, I am a tad near sighted. :-) n/t

[bullimiami]

31. i believe that story was refuted.

[ShortnFiery]

40. Thank you - Labeling a group "as terrorist" gives our warmongering

leadership a IMO lame excuse not to sit down and TALK with them.

This is wrong. Bush spits in the eye of everything Our United Nations was founded on.

I am saddened beyond words that we still have an "The Ugly American" - John Bolton assigned there. :cry:

Bolton, Rice and Hughes are "The Three Stooges" of Diplomacy. :grr:

Even if we hate what they stand for, they (the Iranian Leadership) are still HUMAN BEINGS, some of which can reason and find areas where we can openly negotiate with each other. :shrug:

[Stinky The Clown]

42. I didn't say not to talk to him. In fact, I **endorse** talking to him

But to think he's anything other than what he is would be a bad thing.

[ShortnFiery]

44. All I'm implying is that we should hesitate to cast the first stone

when we have some very evil people ruling our OWN country. Skilled diplomats know how to separate what's real from a feign.

I'm sure there are an equal number of Iranians who consider "Dear Leader" as evil as you claim their leader to be. :shrug:

We, with our American Diplomats are NOT, after all, negotiating from a position of superior moral authority, i.e., Abu Garab, GITMO, Secret Prisons and torture, etc.

[Stinky The Clown]

46. I hope you're not implying that I see an either/or here.

Let me be clear ....... Neither the Iranian guy nor our guy are good guys. I actually susbscribe to the pretty much accepted Democratic position .... we need to be talking to them, not wagging our national dick at them.

[ShortnFiery]

49. Well put!

Yes we concur. Regret the misunderstanding.

No, we should not DICK around with future Diplomatic Endeavors.

Agreed! ;) :thumbsup:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

77. Yeah we are in no position to be calling the kettle black. n/t

[Name removed]

73. Deleted message

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[Lydia Leftcoast]

95. That was debunked

:shrug:

[fuzzyball]

104. WOW...great post by Husb2...MUST SEE EVERYONE......

[Redstone]

24. So, exactly WHERE did the OP claim to have been appointed "the

guardian of the Democratic party?"

I'd be VERY interested in a specific quote from the original post that would indicate that.

I'll be waiting.

Redstone

[Freedom_from_Chains]

72. ..

"really have nothing in common with the Democratic party or its ideals and goals."

I thought it was pretty self-evident. However, it doesn't surprise me that so many didn't get it, followers tend to do that.

[nam78_two]

32. s/he was expressing an opinion which is what we all do here

:eyes:

It would be a very sad day when only the "appointed guardians" of a party can express opinions on what they think a party's basic ideals are.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

78. And I too was just expressing an opinion.

But his post sounded very much like "you are either with us, or agin us."

[ruggerson]

58. Gee, I must have missed my installation ceremony n/t

[nam78_two]

4. I agree-your enemy's enemy is not your friend necessarily

I don't like Ahmedinijad either.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

I Agree 100%!!

He's a NUTJOB. And just because he dislikes the NUTJOB that is ruling this country, does not make him someone worth respecting.

It's more a question of which NUTJOB is going to go crazy first, we're not dealing with sane individuals here, and they're "leading" us to disaster.

[StClone]

27. Caught between Iraq

And two nutjobs.

Who says we like this Iranian bag of loco mojo. Chavez however is crazy like a fox, well most of the time and sometimes I don't know where he's going.

[Sam Odom]

5. You must be a freeper spy

:sarcasm:

[Swede Atlanta]

6. I disagree with you.....sorry

[geek tragedy]

11. Do you like other Holocaust denying rightwing

fundie nutjobs, or only this one?

[Sam Odom]

28. another freeper spy

:sarcasm:

[geek tragedy]

7. Ahmadinejad is actually a puppet of the real power

in Iran, the Supreme Ayatollah Ali Khameini.

He's also a rightwing, racist dickhead.

[Brundle_Fly]

12. so like congress basically ;)

[RadiDem]

8. DICTATOR? LOL! He got ELECTED cause of bushcos blunders >

Iran's spy chief used just two words to respond to White House ridicule of last week's presidential election: "Thank you." His sarcasm was barely hidden. The backfire on Washington was more evident.

The sharp barbs from President Bush were widely seen in Iran as damaging to pro-reform groups because the comments appeared to have boosted turnout among hard-liners in Friday's election — with the result being that an ultraconservative now is in a two-way showdown for the presidency.

"I say to Bush: `Thank you,'" quipped Intelligence Minister Ali Yunesi. "He motivated people to vote in retaliation."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/06/19/international/i132039D97.DTL

[fuzzyball]

105. My roommate at U of Iowa was an Iranian student...

and he loved America. I don't know any other Iranian
personally so have no opinion on other Iranians.

[nickshepDEM]

9. Amen.

I was thinking the same thing while reading the Ahmadinejad love fest thread.

[Old and In the Way]

10. Lots of people I don't like.

No reason to start a war that'll increase the misery, terror, and hatred by the vast majority of moderate Arabs/Persians for generations to come.

[Brundle_Fly]

13. I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE PERSON SAY HE IS A GOOD GUY!

and if you can show me one person who says that, I will back off.

but what a bullshit thread, you are wasting peoples time with your own irrationality.

[last1standing]

57. Here you go.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2242639

Unfortunately, some posters here can't seem to understand that the world isn't just black and white.

[tkmorris]

60. Not seeing it.

You want to point it out for me? My eyes maybe aren't so good.

[last1standing]

61. Sorry, I'm not an optician.

You'll actually have to read through the thread yourself and find the info I've linked. If you don't see some good old fashioned America bashing (and pro-Iranian dogma) in there then there's very little I can do to help you.

[Brundle_Fly]

14. I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE PERSON SAY HE IS A GOOD GUY!

and if you can show me one person who says that, I will back off.

but what a bullshit thread, you are wasting peoples time with your own irrationality.

[Fovea]

16. Iran, as far as I know does not have a dictator.

You may still find him a jerk, but he was elected, unlike Dubya.

[geek tragedy]

20. Iran has a dictator. His name is the Supreme Ayatollah

Ali Khameini.

[Fovea]

36. Khameini is a theocrat

and since we have one too, we are not in a position to throw stones.

Until our tin horn theocrat started with the stone throwing, he was becoming
less and less powerful.

[geek tragedy]

39. Khameini hold supreme power in Iran, with no checks

on him.

And lol Bush isn't a theocrat. He might wish he was, but he's not.

[4nic8em]

18. Everything for a reason...

Don't like him, don't agree with him, but I do understand.

Google SAVAK and take note why the Iranian leadership loves America so much.

[Redstone]

38. I knew Iranian college students back in the 1970s, and they would NOT

say even ONE word about the Shah, even though they were in a bar in Philadelphia (where I used to hang out with them).

So, from my experience, your post makes a damn good point.

Redstone

[ShortnFiery]

47. The Shah was a brutal thug and "a tool" for the American

Corporate Aristocracy.

I don't know if things are better now than when the Shah was in power. However, I know personally, people who have lived under The Shah. To be succinct, it couldn't be "any worse" than when that EVIL Monarch was stealing from his people. :thumbsdown:

The only reason why Our Dear Leader is pissed is that Iran's Leadership is presently independent vice under the thumb of the Executive in the White House. :(

[katsy]

50. Thanks for that.

Look at their methods of torture... bushco* must admire these tactics. bush 1 was director of the cia from 1976 - 77, 2 of the 9 +/- years savak was operational.

And we wonder why we're hated around the world. I don't hate or like Ahmadjadine. IMO, he's a by-product of some pretty evil U.S. foreign policy... diseased.

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iran/savak/

snip <<<Founded to round up members of the outlawed Tudeh, SAVAK expanded its activities to include gathering intelligence and neutralizing the regime's opponents. An elaborate system was created to monitor all facets of political life. For example, a censorship office was established to monitor journalists, literary figures, and academics throughout the country; it took appropriate measures against those who fell out of line. Universities, labor unions, and peasant organizations, among others, were all subjected to intense surveillance by SAVAK agents and paid informants. The agency was also active abroad, especially in monitoring Iranian students who publicly opposed Pahlavi rule.

SAVAK paid Rockwell International to implement a large communications monitoring system called IBEX. The Stanford Technology Corp. had a $5.5 million contract to supply the CIA-promoted IBEX project. STC had another $7.5 million contract with Iran's air force for a telephone monitoring system, operated by SAVAK, to enable the Shah to track his top commanders' communications.

Over the years, SAVAK became a law unto itself, having legal authority to arrest and detain suspected persons indefinitely. SAVAK operated its own prisons in Tehran (the Komiteh and Evin facilities) and, many suspected, throughout the country as well. SAVAK's torture methods included electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting brokon glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails. Many of these activities were carried out without any institutional checks.

At the peak its influence under the Shah SAVAK had at least 13 full-time case officers running a network of informers and infiltration covering 30,000 Iranian students on United States college campuses. The head of the SAVAK agents in the United States operated under the cover of an attache at the Iranian Mission to the United Nations, with the FBI, CIA, and State Department fully aware of these activities.>>> snip

[ShortnFiery]

19. That's cool. He probably doesn't like you either. :P

He's basically the leader of a Sovereign Country that we shouldn't bully around.

Don't forget, this guy is the kind is merely the counter part of OUR of Right Wing Jesus Freaks, i.e., remember Timothy McVeigh?

No radical is expected to be liked by moderates or progressives, but The Leader of a Sovereign Country is to be taken seriously. But we have no right to claim that "our crazy leader" is any more moral than their "crazy leader" because they are both right wing wackkos.

The rest of The Free World, at this point in time, doesn't give a rat's ass what us American Empire freaks think. You can thank the forgoing "world consensus against us" on our own "bible Reading'" right wing ghoul crazy leadership in The Executive Branch.

In essence, this is NOT about "us" vs. "them" it's those of us who are humanitarians attempting to elect MODERATE and compassionate leaders who will choose diplomacy over war if at all possible. :-)

[Sparkly]

21. My reaction to everything I hear him say is:

"We need leaders who KNOW HOW TO DEAL with this!!!"

[oncall247]

79. You mean leaders who know how to deal with the TRUTH?

I didn't hear anything he said that wasn't the truth. I don't like the man but nothing he said was untrue.

[NOLADEM]

23. He was elected.

Not saying their process is fair, but those in glass houses, ya know.

His election is just as legitimate if not more than the Chimperor's (s)election.

Sometimes truth comes from uncomfortable places.

I am no fan of Iran's or Ahmadinejad's, but let's all remember that he was elected as a response to our Chimp's rhetoric replacing a relative moderate, and Islamic Extremist terrorism as a tactic was born in Iran when we illegally intervened in their affairs a few decades ago in an attempt to steal their oil after they cozied up to Russia.

So, we are simply reaping what we sow.

Instead of demonizing those who oppose us, ask how we ended up here in the first place. It is largely our own doing.

[NEDem]

25. I call bullshit

Show me ONE PERSON, who has said he's a "good guy"

This is a bullshit thread

[bullimiami]

29. he isnt a dictator. he was elected and the election was at least as legit

as the ones that elected bush.

iran has a islamic theocratic parlimentary system. I dont like it but you should probably get your terms correct.

[geek tragedy]

37. Did you know that the Mad Mullahs approve every candidate

who appears on the ballot in Iran, and that they have the power to reject anyone they don't want to appear on the ballot?

Iranian democracy is somewhat of a sham.

[katsy]

52. Wanna send in the cowboy to spread them some of his kind of democracy? nt

:crazy:

[geek tragedy]

55. Oh hell no. I want us to BUTT OUT and let the Iranian

people deal with those douchebags.

[CarlVK]

70. Gee, what a concept. Non-interference. WHODUTHUNKIT!

[bullimiami]

86. correct. i do not like irans ayatollah controlled system either.

but it is their system and he was elected under it following the rules as far as i know.

remember in afghanistan, haiti and iraq. bush and his people have controlled who could be in charge and who could not, and in this country they have just broken the law to rig the outcome of 'free elections'.

is one better? corporate political cronies controlling elections outside of the existing law or the islamic rulers controlling which candidates you can choose from within their existing law?

[jhrobbins]

33. DIctators are often elected - that is not a criterion for ...

determining if one is a dictator or not.

[ShortnFiery]

51. Yeah! Take a look at our pResident, complements of DIEBOLD and

FRAUD! :P

[CarlVK]

69. What dictatorial actions have been made by him, specifically?

I'd like to know how you justify the accusation that he is in fact a "dictator".

[jhrobbins]

100. If this is directed to me, I didn't say he was a "dictator"...

(not exactly sure about the necessity for quotation marks here). I did say that dictators were often elected - a response to the assertion that he wasn't a didtator because he had been elected. And for the record, I do think he is a dictator - it's a feeling I have, much like the feelings that some of my relatives had in Germany in the 30's before Hitler had actually begun his moves on his neighbors.
Even if he turns out to be just the most democratic guy in Iran, I still don't like him. I don't like his rhetoric about Jews and Israel.

[eleny]

34. Oh No! Another copycat thread!

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

[scarletwoman]

35. You're not the boss of me. I'll think whatever I want to think.

You don't like the elected president of Iran? Fine. Feel free to dislike him, I completely support your right to state your opinion.

Just don't try to dictate to me what I "should" think about Mahmoud Ahmadinijad.

sw

[ruggerson]

64. Trust me I don't want to be the boss of you

now as to your red herring lie that I tried to tell you what to think...

[scarletwoman]

71. I quote: "those of you who think he's a good guy... have nothing in common

with the Democratic party or its ideals and goals."

I don't like being told that if I don't agree with your opinion I am therefore not upholding the "ideals and goals" of the Democratic party.

I don't particularily think that Ahmadinijad is a "good guy", but neither do I think that he is a "piece of shit".

Your OP seems to posit an either/or -- "with us or against us" dichotomy. I find such simplistic dualism abhorrent, that's all I'm saying.

sw

[bloom]

43. He did give a good speech.

A hell of a lot better and to the point than anything Bush would say.

[ShortnFiery]

Yes, he may not be ANY less evil, but he is much more intelligent

than the buffoon who presently occupies OUR White House.

[135th]

94. Not really.

Ahmadinejad just used thinly veiled references to the US. Bush and Chavez both had the balls to call their respective enemies by name, and thus score higher on directness. Outside of that his speech was ok.

[bloom]

113. Ahmadinejad called out the US and the UK

as being esp. problematic - esp. in regards to the security council.


The thing of it is - the actions of US gov't being what they are - it's pretty easy to condemn them. And there is nothing veiled about it - there is only one superpower in the world that spends as much on the military as the rest of the world and goes around invading countries (along with Israel - that is) and that is us. It's not like the rest of the world doesn't know what we are doing. Mostly the rest of the world knows more than Americans.

[IndianaGreen]

45. Unlike Bush, he was democratically elected

People did not vote for him because they liked him, but because they rejected the corruption of his opponent, the very wealthy Former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.

Were there problems in the election, were some candidates kept from campaigning, and voters prevented from exercising their right to vote? Yes! Were these incidents more egregious than what the GOP did to us in the 2000 and 2004 elections? No!

Is Ahmadinejad a demagogue? Absolutely! But he is not the one that invaded another country in an unprovoked attack, as Bush has, or provided cluster and incendiary bombs to a proxy for a war of aggression, as Bush did when he opposed a ceasefire in the Israel-Lebanon war.

You don't like Ahmadinejad? Fine! I don't either! But nothing that you and others like you say will get me to support Bush in his drive toward another war in the Persian Gulf.

Don't count on me in supporting another war!

[1932]

48. Iran is crazy for not loving America!

[CarlVK]

68. Yeah, we spread our love by overthrowing their elected pres in 1953!

How could they not love us?

[1932]

81. ...yeah, there's a whole generation of kids named Dwight and Dulles

in Iran who are now in their 50s.

[IndianaGreen]

74. Inside every Iranian there is an American struggling to come out

a paraphrase of what an American general said about the Vietnamese.

[LeftishBrit]

54. I agree...

He appears to be an evil and dangerous man. Which is NOT a reason to invade his country. There are evil and dangerous leaders all over the place.

And I don't believe in the view that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It was that view that caused the Reaganites to support Saddam (against Iran) and the forerunners of the Taliban (against the Soviets). I'm a proud Bush-hater, but even enemies of Bush may be bad people!

[partylessinOhio]

56. * is evil. * is not a good guy.

Let's go fly a kite
Up to the highest height
Let's go fly a kite
And send it soaring
Up through the atmosphere
Up where the air is clear
Oh, let's go fly a kite!

[mmonk]

59. Not a dictator.

He wouldn't have been elected if it were not for bush.

[CarlVK]

63. Ahmadinejad is not a dictator. He was elected and is beholden

to a parlaiment.

Please dont tell lies to help the Bush war machine spin a case to attack them.

[Imagevision]

66. Cut the sh*t, is Bush borderline dictator? with Rove, I'm confused lately.

[Smithson]

76. Ah! So this is the thread to take my loyalty oath.

This makes me think that the Democratic Party has lost its collective mind.

I already know the Republicans lost theirs --- to the neocon agenda.

Long past time to go to Plan B for the New Strategery for Securing the Realm.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

80. I don't know what your plan B is but,

at this point I'm ready to take a look at just about anything that has even a remote possibility of making sense.

[Smithson]

82. We should talk to him.

And listen to him.

He has said that he will not be dictated to and who can blame him?

But he wants to talk.

The people who are supposed to be frothing at the mouth over this guy are the neocons.

I am astounded to see it here.

Our troops are deployed in the middle of about 65 million Shiites.

There is no evidence that Ahmadinejad is doing anything wrong.

Iran is signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and, by its terms, is entitled to enrich uranium.

It is because of its participation in the treaty that the IAEA inspectors are allowed into Iran to inspect.

Countries which have not signed, including Israel, are not entitled to enrich uranium nor are they bothered by those pesky inspectors.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

83. Oh but it's just so much eaiser just to say he is a bad, bad, man.

And hey, think about how much cheap oil we could get.

[Dutch]

84. Well said. I couldn't agree more.

He's an appalling, vile individual and extreme right-winger, and that some on the left seek to defend him is jaw dropping.

I'm utterly opposed to any invasion of Iran, as I was Iraq, but that doesn't change the fact that Ahmedinejad is, like Saddam, an evil piece of shit.

[Armstead]

85. I don't like him either -- But that's no reason to go to war against Iran

[Imagevision]

87. After no WMD's in Iraq, How can Bush be trusted with no oversight to boot!

[enough already]

88. Wrong

I refuse to buy into the Chimp's b-s any longer. If Bush and Rove call him a bad guy, I refuse to believe it. I've been lied to too many times.

[AJH032]

90. But...

why are you limiting your beliefs to the opposite of whatever Bush says? If Bush said "the moon orbits the earth" would you not believe it simply because he said it? It's probably a better idea to look at the situation yourself and come to your own conclusion, independent of what Bush says or thinks.

[enough already]

101. Do you think the Chimp knows that "the moon orbits the earth"?

I don't. He's an idiot and he's always, always wrong.

[AJH032]

107. okay..

that was not the point of my post, at all. But do what you want.

[itcfish]

89. I Don't Like

the man, but he was legally elected by the Iranian people, so why are you calling him a dictator????

[Totally Committed]

91. Just one thing... and I have no love for this man at all --

but, he's not a dictator. He was elected, unfortunately.

TC

[Irreverend IX]

92. If the crack dealer on 43rd hates the city's brutal mob boss...

It doesn't mean he isn't any less of a scumbag than the mafioso. He's just less successful.

[BoneDaddy]

93. Thank God some common sense

I am getting real tired of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" nonsense. Bush is a scumbag motherfucker, no doubt and I hope his entire family is stricken with some form of virulent disease that makes every Bush incapable of reproducing so that horrid line of evolution never continues.

Supporting the Iranian dictator is ridiculous, regardless of how much you hate Bush. What this guy represents is the antithesis of freedom, just because he is anti Bush doesnt make him a good guy.

[rinsd]

96. I'll add that hating him is not the same as saying let's get our war on

Because I am sick of the meme being passed around by other Duers that stating this man is a holocaust denying lunatic = a drumbeat for war.

[AJH032]

108. Thank you

I am sick of it too.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

97. Wow, straw men all over the place

I'm seeing these posts claiming that a significant number of DUers "love" the president of Iran. And other posts where DUers are piling on declaring how much THEY hate him. (I can't help thinking of the old Stiller and Meara line, "I hate you with big hot heaping hunks of hate.".)

And I'm calling bullshit on all of them. I haven't seen any posts declaring "love" for the Iranian government, only posts questioning the hate fest.

All we're saying is to be very, very suspicious of the hatred that the MSM are trying to foment right now.

There are so many dictators around the world that I don't have the time or energy to hate them all, and especially the ones that the MSM are telling me I have to hate this week.

Let's clean up our own house before we worry about Iran's.

Do you actually think that Iran would even be hinting at developing nuclear weapons if the U.S. hadn't invaded and occupied its next-door neighbor, the one lumped together with it as part of the axis of evil?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

99. Thank you!

Those of us who were here in the lead-up to the Iraq invasion remember CLEARY the flurry of articles and news reports and posts at DU reminding people of what a b-a-d man Saddam was and how d-a-n-g-e-r-o-u-s Iraq was to our country. BOO!

So you will forgive us if we have acid flashbacks when we see the same sort of thing happening again.

[Moochy]

112. 101st fighting keyboard brigade

They got called up to active duty again, every two years it would seem. The generals are the same, but some have been retired (tombstoned) for supporting the Arch-Dino Lieberman.

[citizen snips]

102. I don't like him.

But he is not a dictator because he is their elected leader.

[Cascadian]

106. I think the guy is a nuts and a manipulator but...

the guy does show some intelligence which is more than I can say about the monkey in the White House.



John

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

109. Ahmedinijad sorta has a point in his speech

He says that the Western powers esp. the US and Britain are hypocrites for holding thousands of nukes between them and threatening the world with them-- trying to dictate not only policy but also basic economic flexibility-- while forbidding developing countries from doing the same. He does have the makings of a point here. I, for one, think the US would have much more credibility in arms control efforts if we'd get rid of a fraction of the useless nukes we still harbor.

That being said, Ahmedinejad truly does scare me. This sort of messianic complex mixed with such raw power is very eerie, and he seems like the type of guy who would like to hasten that apocalyptic battle that others just talk about. That being said, I have to wonder the same things about some in our own country's leadership.

[Moochy]

110. Wow what a brave position!

That took guts... :eyes:

[savemefromdumbya]

111. who said he was good, he's just intelligent

unlike someone we know