Why I won't vote this year, and why it may be bad for Dems to win.

[Goldilocks]

I don't think my vote matters because the elections in key states (like mine--Florida) are rigged.

Also, if Dems gain seats this November, that's great, and I will applaud them.

But I think if that happens, the GOP's swiftboaters and anthrax agents (and other hidden fascist elements who work secretly to advance the neo-con agenda) will work to sabotage the new Democratic leadership era--perhaps with new terror attacks on US soil.

Even if that is incorrect, I think the Bush and neo-con foreign and domestic policies have not yet run their full course regarding the coming damage they are bound to cause. If Dems takeover before the full-extent of that damage is understood by most Americans, then the Dems will be susceptible to being blamed (by an ignorant voting population manipulated by neo-con and media lies) for it.

It may be better at this time to let the neo-cons retain the majority leadership at least until 2008 so that Americans will finally, once and for all, come to learn just how foolish they were to elect the neo-cons. Maybe then, a groundswell of support will carry Dems to final and complete victory in 2008 in all branches of gvmt and the neo-con nightmare might be finally over.

[geek tragedy]

1. So wrong in so many ways. eom

[kenny blankenship]

2. Well Goldilocks, if you're going to wait until it's "just right" to vote

you'll never see a Democratic Congress or President.

[Totallybushed]

3. That's just nuts.

It's never better to lose than to win.

We could lose now AND in 2008, so lt's take a win now, if we can get it.

[Tesha]

99. That's nonsense.

> It's never better to lose than to win.

That's nonsense.

If the shit's about to hit the fan, it's better that it splatter on someone else.

There might now be an advantage to having the Republicans in power when
the Republican-precipitated disasters all hit home. Otherwise, the American
idiots will blame it all on us.

Tesha

[Totallybushed]

106. Or, maybe you

can prevent the s from hitting the f. It's about America, dammit, not who gets the credit or the blame.

[Tesha]

112. The shit is already well engaged in the impeller of the fan. (NT)

[Totallybushed]

115. Well then, the

sooner the clean-up crew gets in the room, the sooner the air will be sweet again.

[Tesha]

116. If you think so, you might want to study the fate of Jim Florio...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Florio

Tesha

[Totallybushed]

127. Yeah, he was pretty stupid

to lie to the voters.

He supported a substantial tax increase once he gained office, after the perception that he had ruled out tax increases during his campaign.

A short 6 months after he was sworn into office, Florio asked for and the legislature passed the biggest tax increase of any state in U.S. history.

We need to run on the positions we intend to follow when we take office. If we get beat then, then we get beat. But if we win, we have a mandate.

[Tesha]

128. Keep mindful that Wiki has a strong Neocon editing contingent.

Keep mindful that Wiki has a strong Neocon editing contingent
who have only a passing concern for the truth about Democrats.

It's not so clear he lied to the voters, but he certainly
did get crucified for tryingto actually fix the problems
the Republicans were more than happy to brew up.

Tesha

[karynnj]

129. Not fair ,

Governor Kean had shown a budget that was healthy in the year that Florio ran. There looked like there was no reason to raise taxes. Upon entering office, it became clear the state's budget was very out of balance. There were three choices: drastically cut services, raise taxes or potentially default. Even running the risk of the last one would cause Wall Street to drasticly lower the state's bond rating - which would cost NJ huge amounts in extra interest rates possibly for years.

The biggest problem was that Florio, with a Democratic legislature, rammed the tax increase through. In retrospect, he needed to sell it to people so that they could see three things:
- Kean's administration hid the true state of the economy.
- It was the prudent fiscally conservative thing to do.
- The alternatives were worse.

Not selling it led to Senator Bradley, who was personally liked, almost losing his Senate seat to a political newcomer, Whitman. Florio name being toxic until today. Last and not least, Kean retaining an extremely positive image.

Caveat: from memory

[pbartch]

124. 9/15 email: THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY -- Every Vote Counts!

You lose Goldilocks. Here is a copy and paste of the email. The Dems are URGING us all to vote....not cut and run.
===============================================================================

Dear XXXXX,

You've shown over the last week that you're up for a fight. You joined with hundreds of thousands of other Democrats online to mobilize and fight back.

But we're not just mobilizing online. We're mobilizing on the ground in every single state across the country. As we near the November elections, our 50-state strategy operation is being transformed into a 50-state get-out-the-vote effort.

Our push down the home stretch is the "50-State Turnout" -- an unprecedented, nationwide operation to turn voters out to the polls.

It kicks off on October 7th -- exactly one month before the midterm elections. State parties have planned hundreds of events nationwide, using our brand new PartyBuilder grassroots action tools.

There are hundreds of get-out-the-vote events -- phone-banks, neighborhood canvasses or volunteer events at campaign headquarters across the country. Find one here:

http://www.democrats.org/50stateturnout

The 50-State Turnout is a perfect example of how a 50-state strategy to build our party everywhere can deliver results now while building the kind of infrastructure we need for the future.

We have nearly 200 staff and thousands more trained volunteers on the ground across the country right now.

They've been building towards this election for more than a year in all 50 states.

The 50-state strategy has meant that they got to work earlier than ever before -- and it means that all the work we do between now and November will be the foundation for next year and the year after.

The final 30-day sprint will kick off with events across the country on October 7th. Check for an event near you:

http://www.democrats.org/50stateturnout

If you really want change, your vote isn't going to be enough. You've got to get out there and organize.

The 50-State Turnout will be the broadest off-year election mobilization in our party's history -- and rightly so, because the stakes couldn't be higher.

I hope you'll join us on October 7th.

Thank you.

Governor Howard Dean, M.D

[pbartch]

123. Sounds to me like GOLDILOCKS (original poster) isn't even a DEMOCRAT!!

Why in the world would you promote Democrats NOT voting? That is totally crazy.

[MaineDem]

4. Very disappointing

This make no sense whatsoever.

[QuestionAll...]

87. what is dissapointing is the system itself...

and why so many democrats have been so silent about the massive fraud.

many here believe that the elections since 2000 have been fudged. I know I do. In fact it goes beyond that - I now believe the Beast stole it from Ann Richards in Texas.

so... knowing that, why Would you think your vote means anything? and denegrate those who see the worthlessness of it?
it's like going to your car, knowing the engine is busted, - and expect it to turn over when you put the key in and getting pissed off all over again - but not sending it into the shop for repair.

[Dora]

5. Fair-weather friends are not friends at all

And the same can be said of fair-weather Democrats.

[Pirate Smile]

6. Beware the enemy, the enemy is you.

[Greyhound]

120. Aargh matey! (Where's a parrot smiley when you need one?)

That ability to see all the facts and issues and consistently formulate exactly the wrong response, always used to make me laugh. Now, that the laugh track has brought us to fascism, I ain't laughing anymore.

Why won't they do what everybody knows needs to be done? Sacrificing the whole nation and our future just to further their own agendas? :puke:

[Xipe Totec]

7. Thanks for letting me know

It's vitally important that I factor your opinion into my voting decision.

I guess I'll go sulk in a corner to teach those bad old Republicans a lesson.

:eyes:

[Vincardog]

8. How far down the hole do you think we need to be stuffed?

Claims that the Democrats should not retake control until the NeoConvicts are exposed are BULLSHIT DEFEATIST CRAP. The "ignorant voting population" will be educated after we retake the Congress and SEnate and let the IMPEACHMENT begin. Let the NeoConvicts appear under subpoena under oath and under the gun. They must ANSWER FOR THEIR CRIMES.

[sandnsea]

9. Somebody called this strategy a few weeks ago

:rofl:

I don't remember who it was, but some DUer said that they were going to try to start convincing folks there's no reason to vote since the elections are rigged.

This is hysterical, I can't believe anybody would fall for it.

[longship]

10. This is the most pessimistic post I've seen in a while here.

I hope that Democrats do really well this November, taking the Senate and sweeping into power in the House. I hope that this completely revitalizes our party and things again start going well for this country. I hope this results in a greater optimism in this country and reduces the fear factor.

My hopes are high. I'm not going to let these knuckleheads in power ruin my naturally positive demeanor.

Please check out something I posted over the weekend.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2152071&mesg_id=2152071

Peace to you.

[Salviati]

11. With democratic "voters" like you...

the repubs wouldn't even need to steal elections, you'd be content to just hand it to them on a silver platter.

There are those who feel that it needs to get worse before it can get better. I'm the type of person who likes to belive that it can get better before it gets better...

[MrModerate]

12. The Leninist approach: let things get worse, so we can prove . . .

How much better we are. That might have worked for Nick and Joe, but it sure didn't work out for the people.

C'mon, get out and vote -- for old times' sake. Besides, many of us would pay good money for the chance to vote against Harris.

[w4rma]

34. The "let things get as bad as they can get" tactic let the Nazis take over

Germany and start World War II.

[Greyhound]

48. I think you just made her point.

The sheeple will, as always, give credit and assign blame, to whoever is available when the fecal matter collides with the air circulation device. This event is scheduled to peak about 2009.

I'm not in agreement with her position, but it does have merit, especially in light of the timing of the coming tsunami. If Democrats are, in fact, in control when it happens all the protestations of "we didn't start this" will fall on deaf sheep ears, and be spun as trying to escape responsibility.

[w4rma]

55. The hell with that. This downward spiral needs to be *stopped*. (nt)

[democrat_patriot]

13. Dems win hous and senate - all will be revealed.

They will have the power to finally hold hearings on everything that has been going on: Torture, pre-war intelligence, Secret energy task force meetings, voter theft etc.

Any SCOTUS openings coming up? Be nice to be able to block them.

A really big microphone to shout from: bu only if the Dems win.

So please, vote.

[Schema Thing]

14. Allll righty then.

Just hold your arms out straight, and we'll get this jacket fitted, and then you can have some nummy soft cereal. That's a goo lad.

[blondeatlast]

92. Best. Reply. Ever. Right on target and...

:rofl:

[FSogol]

15. Great, another busybody encouraging people not to vote.

Why even post on this board?

Too bad we can't "Not Recommend" a post and when it got enough votes, would drop away.

[Goldilocks]

37. Good question!

I don't appear to have a lot in common with most of the folks on this thread. Everyone is acting like a bunch of intimidating neo-cons trying to bully people into the party line.

And yes, too bad you can't ignore something that may very well affect the coing election. Voter disillusionment and apathy. Sounds like you all will be real good at reaching out to these people.

[janx]

39. You're very bad at this.

You realize that, don't you? :rofl:

[Goldilocks]

49. Not half as bad as the Dems that keep losing.

[janx]

54. The Dems aren't going to lose in November.

The American people are disgusted with the current leadership and this horrific, bloody civil war in Iraq.

[Love Bug]

41. Uh, darlin' this IS the "Democratic" Underground

Part of our mission is to support candidates from the Democratic party. That means voting for them, even if they don't have a snowball's chance of winning.

Ya gotta start somewhere.

[lonehalf]

71. I don't think there's apathy among Democrats.

In the Precinct where I was a poll worker in the Georgia primary there was a 2 to 1 Republican ratio of voters.

Usually we get a 5 to 1 ratio.

There is probably many reasons.

One that the local Democratic Chairman puts forth is that Republicans are "crossing over" to nominate a Democrat they think they can beat.

Remember, Georgia does not have party registration - you declare which party whose primary you want to vote in at the polls.

This was put in by the Democrats years ago when they were in power.

Now it seems to be hurting them.

Crossovers have been given the credit for both of Cynthia McKinney's loses.

[proud2BlibKansan]

83. "You all"??

LOL

You aren't one of us, are you?

Who sent you? FR? LOL

:rofl:

[JRob]

117. the key is NOT to abstain, but to MOTIVATE...

I read your post and get where you're coming from (if indeed that is your intent) but pulling back, as much as I'd like to see those responsible clearly held in account is, I believe the wrong move. We need to MOTIVATE America to step up and become intimately involved in all the various happenings in government. We, as a people have become so focused on living the life of the proverbial "Jones'" that we have allowed our "elected" leaders to paint us into a corner. Merely convincing the country that we're there is half the battle, the other half is of course prying power from the greedy sociopaths that occupy our government. Also, as progressive as I am I do not support a totalitarian Dem government either. Absolute power corrupts... In the real world nothing is absolute black or white (blue or red) there will always be shades. So don't be discouraged by how some react to your post. No one really knows who's for real and frankly everyone's pissed off in general... I know that I am.

[subterranean]

16. Not voting will guarantee that your vote doesn't matter

And if the elections are rigged, as you say, how can the Democrats win in 2008? What makes you think they won't try to rig the elections then, too?

I agree with one thing in your post: Republicans will do everything they can to sabotage the Democratic leadership (assuming the Democrats win even without your vote). And it's a slam-dunk that they will blame Democrats for the failures of Republican policies, because they are already doing that now.

[zbdent]

17. wrapping with tinfoil, again, I must say

that Bush and company have set in motion the way to put together a working govt. in case of a situation where a large number (if not all) of the congresspeople were indisposed (or disposed, if you will) and unable to function. Say, a terrorist attack on DC ... strangely, many "true-red" repuknicons would have received a message saying that an urgent matter came up that required their personal attention, and had to leave the building ...

And, failing that, Bush could just suspend the Constitution (hey, hasn't he done a lot of that anyway???) and declare that we cannot, "in this time of crisis", deal with the partisan bickering (and therefore, elections), and he would have to assume the role of sole leader ... dissenters will be "moved for their own protection" ...

unwrapping the tinfoil again ...

[Name removed]

18. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bowens43]

19. If you don't vote you're part of the problem.

Now get off your ass and vote or STFU , if you don't vote you have no right to complain.

[Goldilocks]

20. BTW, many of you no-doubt adore Gore. But

the reason Gore did not run in 2004 and won't even consider running in 2008 right now is for many of the same reasons I just provided.

He knows America is going thru a bad-boy love affair and tax revolt right now, and the bad news is, the revolt and love affair with neo-conism aint over.

There is nothing Gore can say or do, and instead he has to wait until people wisen up.

So as you unthoughtfully attack me, please keep that in mind as you consider whether you respect Gore or not (which I do).

[annabanana]

22. your screen name is quite..... apt.. . . . . . eom

[MaineDem]

23. Thanks for the advice

Welcome to DU. :eyes:

[Rude Horner]

25. I'm not sure if this is the correct forum for you.

Also, do you have any PROOF that the reasons you provided is why Gore did not run in 2004? Links? People on this board tend to like proof when people make claims. We're funny that way.

I hope you reconsider not voting this year. Doing nothing guarantees that things will get worse. At least you could make an attempt at trying to right things.

[subterranean]

26. So you have the inside scoop on Al Gore's thoughts?

Do tell us more!

[Pirate Smile]

75. Yeah, tell us more, Goldi. Will Gore also not even bother to vote?

Call me crazy, but I have have a feeling Al will vote since he has been fund-raising and campaigning for Dem. candidates.

edit to add - Did you vote for Gore in 2000? Just curious.

[thoughtanarchist]

29. unthoughtfully?

Please elaborate on these pearls of wisdom... We crave your guidance.

:popcorn:

[NYCGirl]

66. And here I thought your original post was ignorant — but you topped it

with this one. Congratulations. The bar has now been lowered!

[janx]

72. Yeah, the "bad boy love affair and tax revolt"

part was especially poignant. :rofl:

[NYCGirl]

77. LOL! A real barn burner! And in the spirit of your posts below, Janx...

A baby tiger licking toes!

[janx]

80. Thanks!

[NYCGirl]

86. LOL!

:rofl:

That moran guy sure gets around!

[proud2BlibKansan]

85. You obviously know little about Gore eom

[slackmaster]

21. How utterly foolish of you

Welcome to DU.

:eyes:

[AndyTiedye]

24. Always Vote. At Least Make Them Go to the Trouble of Stealing It

Maybe Blackwell will get repetitive stress injuries from stealing so many votes.

[wtmusic]

27. Good point.

Let's run America into the ground, so there's no way but UP! YAAAHHHHH! :crazy:

[intaglio]

28. No Vote - No Chance & you need thay chance eom

[Lexingtonian]

30. don't worry, dear

We'll take the Presidency in '08, with or without Florida. We'll get Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, Iowa, and Ohio along with the Kerry states in any case, which is sufficient. Maybe Arizona too, and who knows about the Virginias or Missouri.

We're getting most of the state governments, the House and the Senate, this November despite all those things that supposedly trouble your imagination. The Supreme Court will go our way sometime next year too, might I add to that. Bumping out old man Scalia (you know he's 70, don't you) on ethics charges isn't going to be hard- he has an "interesting" money trail, if you didn't know.

But thank you so much for concern trolling. I'll predict one more for you: Florida governor Jim Davis and lt. governor Darryl Jones, who will by executive order reenfranchise all 600,000 disenfranchised voters in the state in 2007.

Oh, and if you haven't noticed- every major Al Qaeda attack decreases support for the Republican 'fighting terrorism' policy bit. 9/11 and Tora Bora cost Bush 32%, the Madrid bombing 10%, and the London bombing 9% of the support he had in that area. He now has 49% support. Your side can't actually politically survive two more major AQ attacks- maybe not even one. Bin Laden controls Bush's political survival, that's a supreme irony (if you know what irony is, that is).

[ddeclue]

33. I really doubt you can win the White House without Florida or the South

It hasn't been done in decades.

Doug D.

[janx]

36. Well said.

:toast:

[ddeclue]

31. Quit whining and GO VOTE!

I'm in Florida and I've been working my *ss off this election and I get tired of hearing defeatist talk like this.

If you don't vote they won't need to rig anything (if they actually can..)

If you don't vote then don't complain on Nov 8th when you don't get the gov't you want.

VOTE DEMOCRAT!

Doug D.
Orlando FL

[w4rma]

32. Ignorant logic. (nt)

[OzarkDem]

35. Welcome to DU

are you any relation to wyldwolf? Just wonderin...

[hatrack]

38. That's nice - buh-bye

.

[janx]

40. 10...9...8...7...

.

[rosesaylavee]

42. MASH Potatoes, GRAVY &&&&& Cranberry Sauce!! n/t

[AtomicKitten]

60. mmmmmmm

[Totally Committed]

88. OMG.... I love Little Richard!

And, that commercial is a scream!

TC

[rosesaylavee]

105. OOoooooooOOOOOOOOOoooo! Look out Look OUT!

:rofl:

[welshTerrier2]

43. your point of view is dead wrong but deserves to be respected

to consider what is in the best interests of Democrats and progressives over the long run is a perfectly valid way to look at voting strategies ...

there MAY at times be validity to assessing whether a "let's let this thing bottom out" strategy MAY be the best call ...

but in this case, i'm afraid you may be suggesting we just stand there until our enemy runs out of bullets ... it's a very dangerous call in a very dangerous situation ...

at this time, i think the approach you've raised is ill-advised ... there's an urgency today that precludes yielding to speculative, longer term consequences ... and it is speculative ... it's just as easy to make a case for 2008 that Dems will fare better if they get a bit more visibility on the national stage (by winning the House and/or the Senate) than if they remain out of power ...

in the meantime, global warming may already have us in its death grip ... we face a possible war with Iran that could put the final nail in our coffin ... we face the spectre of bush using nuclear weapons ... we face the possible collapse of the US economy ... we face a long-term loss of jobs ... we face a catastropic war on the poor ... we face the loss of our retirement security ...

i commend you, unlike many others in this thread, for thinking strategically and being open to the long-term consequences of Democratic gains in the midterms ... the point is very worth considering ... having considered it, i think you've reached the wrong conclusion ... time is of the essence ... we need to gain back whatever power can be gained ... i hope you'll reconsider ...

[JRob]

119. I agree but you left out the assault on our rights and freedoms

from numerous directions. Voting fraud etc.

I'm with you. I'd rather address the logic rather than simply belittle...

[saltpoint]

44. I hope you will reconsider. We need your vote on Nov. 7th as much or

more than in Nov. 2008.

It's all the same election.

The point is to build the party with the active, informed participations of its members.

That starts with voting.

[FrenchieCat]

45. So let's multiply your attitude by a couple of million....and yes,

watch us lose for sure! :eyes:

[Greyhound]

50. Just what do you think has been happening for thirty to forty years?

How is it that more of the sheeple don't vote than do? It is largely because they know that there is no one speaking for them.

If we change that, we can change everything. If we don't we'll just get the same ol' same ol'.

[Goldilocks]

51. You got it backwards.

Millions are already disillusioned--like me.

But with attitudes like the ones on this thread, aint none of those people have reason to change their minds.

If you all are representative of what I'd be voting for, then no thanks!

Every subforum I visit here I see everyone snapping at each other like a bunch of little spoiled kids.

I'm sure SOME of you are good people who are actually in the trenches doing good work to make a difference, but for the rest of you--no thanks! It's no wonder America has rejected you.

[MaineDem]

52. "It's no wonder America has rejected you"

Nice!

Please stick around but add something positive to the discussions.

[lumpy]

58. "..in the trenches doing good work....."etc.

The greatest good work is knowing that you have tried to effect change by doing what you can.

[JeffR]

79. I hate saying this to a DUer, and a newbie at that, but...

... did you talk with your shrink before you decided to go off your meds?

[blondeatlast]

93. "You all" once again. Methinks this isn't the board for you, darlin...

Tell Mama Bear (aka "you know who" at "you know where" that sorry, you failed here.

Nice try though.


(I'm really straining to be nice here.)

[pbartch]

126. No.....YOU are the reject. I haven't seen any post of yours

that PROMOTES Democrats. I'd rather be like the people who posted in this message than a defeatest like you. If I'm like the people on this thread....WELL THEN RIGHT ON!!!!

WAY TO BE!
FANSTASTIC!
HALLELUJAH...AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!

Get out there and VOTE DEMOCRATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gratuitous]

46. We'll miss you

And don't be surprised when the loaf comes out of the oven, Turkey Lurkey, if you're not invited to share in the baked goods. The perfect is not the enemy of the good, and thousands more people will die needlessly in the next two years if something isn't done and done soon.

[sallyseven]

47. If that happens then Social Security,

medicare, and other social programs including any hope for health care will die. They will run roughshod over the ME and we will be up to our ears in debt. Gas will be 4 $ a gallon and most of the white collar jobs will be gone. All of the blue collar jobs will be service jobs. Every country in the world thinks we are nuts. I know he is and I wish that americans would take a hard look. Don't be fooled by his rhetoric about being born again. He was never born in the first place he was hatched. He does not believe in God only money.

[Blue-Jay]

53. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[janx]

56. ...

[janx]

57. ...

[AtomicKitten]

59. *--*

[janx]

63. "It's no wonder America has rejected you..."

[Pirate Smile]

73. Wow, this thread has become quite enjoyable.

:)

[janx]

76. Indeed!

It's tough to tear oneself away from it! :smoke:

[blondeatlast]

94. Ain't it the truth? I lurked at it at work and couldn't wait to rejoin it

[oldboy101]

61. Rove's latest brainstorm: get Democrats to not vote?

Hmmmm Goldilocks,
'fess up, you are really doing Rove's work, right? You can be damn sure that this is one Democrat who will be voting in Florida, and my vote better damn well be counted this time!!

[Vinca]

62. Vote. It might be your last chance.

If we continue down the road of war with no congressional oversight, it's only a matter of time before the REAL axis of evil people get involved. The ones that actually have "new-q-ler" weapons and missiles that reach our country. I'm betting Shrub has wet dreams over the thought of pressing the nuke button. Add that to his appearance of being mentally unbalanced and we're in deep trouble. We have to at least try to stop it. Vote.

[Singular73]

64. Yup.. .here we go...people think their vote doesn't count.

Why do you think the democratic leadership hasn't been screaming this from the rooftops.

Because if people believe it, they won't vote.

Win win for thuglicans.

[ComerPerro]

65. Then 2008 won't be any better

[Jersey Devil]

67. pancakes anyone?

[Zynx]

68. If you're afraid of government, you don't belong in politics.

[ProSense]

69. "why it may be bad for Dems to win."

Dems are already being blamed for it! I hope the Democrats win, the hold every Republican responsible for this mess we're in accountable, prosecuting crimes as determined.

[blm]

70. Playing possum till they really kill you? No thanks.

.

[CarlVK]

74. The wingnuts have triumphed over you.

They have made you delusioned so that you give up.

[Catchawave]

78. Welcome to DU, I think ?

:toast:

Forgive my snark, but these are the kinda posts that prove the "terrorists win". Not voting is their ultimate goal, other than getting Team Bush to cancel elections altogether :shrug:

[Bridget Burke]

81. Please DON'T vote!

There are already too many Republican voters.

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. No way!

That is just nuts. Nice flame bait, though. :)

Enjoy your brief stay!! :hi:

[Mz Pip]

84. Fine, don't vote

Join the ranks of the nearly 50% of the population that doesn't vote.

You then have no right to complain when things don't go your way.

The world is run by people who show up.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Cary]

89. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE, VOTE, . . .

does it sound like I'm shouting?

Good, because I am. We have to make a noble effort to have our voices heard, period.

[ooga booga]

90. I think that you should always vote no matter what

The first opportunity I had to vote in a national election was 1972, and I did. I voted for George McGovern.....in Oklahoma. It was pretty clear even to an 19 year old like me that McGovern* wouldn't carry Oklahoma, but I didn't care. I believed that McGovern was better than Nixon, and I wanted to cast my vote to say so.

I've voted EVERY time since then and I'll continue to do so as long as I'm able. I believe in democracy, and it depends on the vox populi -- the voice of the people. I'm determined to always cast MY vote regardless. The situation may seem hopeless and the vote count corrupt but I'll be hardheaded about voting and go to the polls anyway.


* In the years following Nixon's meltdown, there was a joke that circulated that went like this: They told me that if I voted for McGovern that the country would go to hell. Well, I voted for McGovern, and, sure enough, the country went to hell. (There IS some small solace in being proved right later on. I feel that way about my '00 vote for Gore and my '04 vote for Kerry. Dubya is workin' hard every day to prove I was right about him.)

[JRob]

122. The smaller the pie, the easier it is to handle...

God forbid that 70, 80 or 90% of American turned out!!! How do you control that? The electoral college is a good start. What a joke that is on the American voter. Electronic voting (as we know it) is even better. They've built in more holes than a sifter. Our corporate controlled government goes to great lengths to confuse, obscure, deceive, discourage etc. If the majority of American had any idea of how outrageously our politician behave, which ball they have their eye on we might truly see more voters in our elections than we see for American Idol.

Welcome to DU

[Dem2theMax]

91. The only thing I can think of

is that someone forgot to wear their helmet while bike riding or roller blading.

See what happens when you hit your head THAT hard? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[ChiciB1]

95. Hey Goldilocks... Don't Know Where You Live In Florida, But It Can't

be much worse than where I live!! I struggled with this myself and don't know even now if my vote will be counted, buy what I finally did was rationalize it this way...

If I DON'T vote, they have accomplished one hurdle because it keeps them from "rigging" even more. Do I think it still may be rigged??? Yes I do! But for me NOT to vote for a Democrat will make it very obvious that they have split us! THEY will know the REAL vote even if IT IS rigged!

Another very important reason for me to vote is because I have had to live with Katherine "Cruella" Harris as my representative for 6 years, and even in this VERY red county, I don't think she won last time out! And the last reason... while there is a lot of controversy as to how well Davis will do, I simply cannot GIVE it to them! I've lived this "Trifecta of Politics" since 2000 and I made up my mind to get out and work it for all it's worth, even though it may be all for naught!! At least I WILL KNOW i tried!!

This coming for an extremely cynical voter!!

[zulchzulu]

96. I vote whether my vote will be counted or not

There is nothing better as an American than going to the polls and voting. Sure, my vote may not be counted. But there is that obligation to vote that I find enduring.

If you don't vote, you can't complain.

[blondeatlast]

97. Mama Bear's Kool-Ade was juuuuuuuust right, eh? nt

[janx]

98. How does that fairy tale end, BAL?

I honestly can't remember.

[AtomicKitten]

101. ***

[janx]

102. OMG!

:rofl:

That's RIGHT! :rofl: Now I remember! :rofl:

[blondeatlast]

111. LOL!

:rofl:

Thanks, this thread needed that!

[Sapere aude]

100. Stop, don't go out of your house! Those mean repubs will get you some way

Hey I don't base my life on what some fucking repub may or may not do. We need to take back control of this government before it gets any worse! We need to put a wrench in the repub machine!

[MODemocrat]

103. Not voting seems very foolish

If you don't buy a lotter ticket, you can't win the lottery! Nothing is certain in this world, but for
sure, not voting will only make the matter worse. If you really want a change from this awful mess we're
in, maybe you'll change your mind and vote, I certainly hope so.

:hi: :hi: :hi: :dem:

[AX10]

104. If the Democrats win the congress back, all of Bush's crimes will...

be revealed.

We CANNOT afford 1 more second of the GOP being in charge.

[samsingh]

107. are you nuts? that's the dumbest argument ever.

[Vickers]

108. What sort of douchebaggery is this?

:shrug:

[orleans]

109. feeling hopeless? consider antidepressants? n/t

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

110. Sometimes it amazes me that we ever win an election...

This is our base?!

[Nimrod2005]

113. If you are in S. Florida, you'd better vote...Need to win Shaw's seat

down here...Sick of the mother fucker, we need all the help.

Plus, it is unAmerican to NOT vote.

[Amonester]

114. Then they came for me and there was nobody left to vote for.

First they came for the taxpayer's money, but I didn't vote because I don't pay taxes.

Then they came for the National credit card, but I didn't vote because I don't have children so I couldn't care less.

Then they came for almost 3,000 innocent people in my country one one day, but I didn't vote because I don't know anyone in the cities they came in.

Then they came for hundreds of thousands innocent civilians abroad, but I didn't vote because I don't know any elderly men and women or babies in these foreign lands.

Then they came for our National Guards' lives and our Veterans' benefits, but I didn't vote because I don't know anybody who ever served.

Then they came for the GLBT people, but I didn't vote.

Then they came for the Democrats and all other political formations, but I didn't vote either.

Then they came for me, but I didn't vote because they wouldn't even let me...

:banghead:

[Seabiscuit]

118. Yeah, let's just wait and wait and let's stay in Iraq too.

You need to examine your assumptions. Any Americans not now awakened to what the necons are doing will spend the rest of their lives in deep slumber because they're brain-dead.

[pbartch]

121. Goldilocks....you are a WHINER

It's because of Democrats like you....that the Democrats don't win.

I'm a Democrat and I have voted in every election since I was 21. If you CAN vote and you don't.....I don't wanna hear you whining about politics.

[Wapsie B]

125. Um........yeah sure ok.............

And there are no paid trolls here.

[The Magistrate]

130. Locking

Flame-Bait.