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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:33 AM
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Message sent to U.S. Navy: "Prepare to deploy, be ready to move by Oct. 1"
What Would War Look Like?
A flurry of military maneuvers in the Middle East increases speculation that conflict with Iran is no longer quite so unthinkable. Here's how the U.S. would fight such a war--and the huge price it would have to pay to win it
By MICHAEL DUFFY

The first message was routine enough: a "Prepare to Deploy" order sent through naval communications channels to a submarine, an Aegis-class cruiser, two minesweepers and two mine hunters. The orders didn't actually command the ships out of port; they just said to be ready to move by Oct. 1. But inside the Navy those messages generated more buzz than usual last week when a second request, from the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), asked for fresh eyes on long-standing U.S. plans to blockade two Iranian oil ports on the Persian Gulf.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1535817,00.html

NOTE: Unfortunately, the rest of the article is available to Time Magazine subscribers only...
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:40 AM
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1.  Bush would start a war before Nov.
I do not think he can not win congress. His congress will not look into what is going on even if it is their job but the Dem would. He is hardly a statesman for the Am people so I think he may start a war.
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:41 AM
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2. Dread...
That's all I feel when I read this. I can't believe this maniac could go through with this when more than half the country stands opposed, Congress hasn't been consulted and the rest of the world watches him in stark horror.

:scared:
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:44 AM
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3. It's gone from "they might" to "get ready"...
...and that can't be good. It will be interesting to see how this fits into Junior's upcoming address at the U.N.

:patriot:
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:48 AM
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4. The Constitution requires CONGRESS to declare war
Bombing Iran is an act of war, in addition to being an act of insanity. Isn't one disastrous pre-emptive war enough?

If Bush acts unilaterally without a national dialog, then our Constitution is gone.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 11:03 AM
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6. Well, wouldn't it follow, though? He already thinks the Constitution
is merely a piece of paper that he can wipe his ass with. I'd be SO sad and horrified and disgusted to see this, but I would not be surprised. If he thinks that's the way to ensure a republi-CON victory, so the House and Senate remain in his grip, he'll do it, I suspect. Because that's all that stands between him and IMPEACHMENT hearings.
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 11:30 AM
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9. He's even shallower than that...
He'd start the war to help ensure a republicon victory in November and to avoid the consequences of a Democratic victory... but I wouldn't put it past him--that he would attack Iran:

-- merely to add to his "legacy" as a "transitional" president; more pages in the History books for junior.

-- merely to get back at the American people for having such a low opinion of him and interfering with his 'agenda'. approval ratings in the 30's (how sick it is that he's able to nudge it not only beyond the teens where it belongs, but into the 40's) tend to make it difficult for losers in the oval office to 'get their way' on things--and he's no doubt pissed off at all those worthless peons out there who have the gall to insult his highness.

-- merely to temporarily raise those puny approval numbers; forget all the reasons why improving his approval rating would be useful to him--he'd do it just for ego satisfaction.

-- merely to "put Ahmadinejad in his place"; how dare some brown-skinned chimpanzee that cain't even talk English refuse to submit to the will of the Great White (Hunter) Bush (Bush-ling). Oh, the irony.

-- just because he can.

Such considerations as the future of the U.S., destruction of our Volunteer Army, American casualties, devastation of our economy, further ballooning of our national debt, provocation and expansion of terrorism, and the tens of thousands of Iranians who'd suffer and/or be killed, and others--wouldn't even be a consideration. If they occurred to him, he'd just laugh his little laugh and turn his attention elsewhere. The cretin.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 11:15 AM
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7. I think Congress already GAVE approval -
didn't the Iraqi War Resolution include any and all countries Shrub thinks harbors "terra"ists?

Therefore, technically, the Congress has already GIVEN Shrubbie the approval he needs to go after another "Axis of Evil" nation.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 11:59 AM
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10. No it absolutely didn't
The Afghanistan resolution is the one that related to terrorists. Clark supported that, as did everybody except Barbara Lee.

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bandb 88 Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:52 AM
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5. wtf
:wtf: is wrong with these people.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 11:17 AM
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8. What War With Iran Would Look Like (Rolling out the new product, folks)
From this link:


What Would War Look Like, by Michael Duffy, TIME: September 17, 2006 (subscription)


The first message was routine enough: A "Prepare to Deploy" order sent through naval communications channels to a submarine, an Aegis-class cruiser, two minesweepers and two mine hunters. The orders didn't actually command the ships out of port; they just said to be ready to move by Oct. 1. But inside the Navy those messages generated more buzz than usual last week when a second request, from the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), asked for fresh eyes on long-standing U.S. plans to blockade two Iranian oil ports on the Persian Gulf. The CNO had asked for a rundown on how a blockade of those strategic targets might work. When he didn't like the analysis he received, he ordered his troops to work the lash up once again.

What's going on? The two orders offered tantalizing clues. There are only a few places in the world where minesweepers top the list of U.S. naval requirements. And every sailor, petroleum engineer and hedge-fund manager knows the name of the most important: the Strait of Hormuz, the 20-mile-wide bottleneck in the Persian Gulf through which roughly 40% of the world's oil needs to pass each day. Coupled with the CNO's request for a blockade review, a deployment of minesweepers to the west coast of Iran would seem to suggest that a much discussed—but until now largely theoretical—prospect has become real: that the U.S. may be preparing for war with Iran.

No one knows whether—let alone when—a military confrontation with Tehran will come to pass. The fact that admirals are reviewing plans for blockades is hardly proof of their intentions. The U.S. military routinely makes plans for scores of scenarios, the vast majority of which will never be put into practice. "Planners always plan," says a Pentagon official. Asked about the orders, a second official said only that the Navy is stepping up its "listening and learning" in the Persian Gulf but nothing more—a prudent step, he added, after Iran tested surface-to-ship missiles there in August during a two-week military exercise. And yet from the State Department to the White House to the highest reaches of the military command, there is a growing sense that a showdown with Iran—over its suspected quest for nuclear weapons, its threats against Israel and its bid for dominance of the world's richest oil region—may be impossible to avoid. The chief of the U.S. Central Command (Centcom), General John Abizaid, has called a commanders conference for later this month in the Persian Gulf—sessions he holds at least quarterly—and Iran is on the agenda.

On its face, of course, the notion of a war with Iran seems absurd. By any rational measure, the last thing the U.S. can afford is another war. Two unfinished wars—one on Iran's eastern border, the other on its western flank—are daily depleting America's treasury and overworked armed forces. Most of Washington's allies in those adventures have made it clear they will not join another gamble overseas. What's more, the Bush team, led by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, has done more diplomatic spadework on Iran than on any other project in its 51/2 years in office. For more than 18 months, Rice has kept the Administration's hard-line faction at bay while leading a coalition that includes four other members of the U.N. Security Council and is trying to force Tehran to halt its suspicious nuclear ambitions. Even Iran's former President, Mohammed Khatami, was in Washington this month calling for a "dialogue" between the two nations.

But superpowers don't always get to choose their enemies or the timing of their confrontations. The fact that all sides would risk losing so much in armed conflict doesn't mean they won't stumble into one anyway. And for all the good arguments against any war now, much less this one, there are just as many indications that a genuine, eyeball-to-eyeball crisis between the U.S. and Iran may be looming, and sooner than many realize. "At the moment," says Ali Ansari, a top Iran authority at London's Chatham House, a foreign-policy think tank, "we are headed for conflict.""




Looks like the maniacal criminals in our government are intent on completely destroying America in their conquest of money, power and global domination.

We are now standing at the edge of a bloody abyss.
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 12:48 PM
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12. Thanks for posting...this needs to be kicked.
:kick:

:patriot:
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 12:28 PM
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11. not to minimize the threat, but what's the possibility this was DELIBERATE
...deliberately leaked. It's often happened with the Bush admin, to run flags up the pole and see who salutes.
...supposed "leaks" make up just what the * people want to have appear in the media.....
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