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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 10:43 PM
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O'Reilly: "Why USA Will Lose War on Terror if Things Don't Change"
Why USA Will Lose War on Terror if Things Don't Change
Sunday, September 17, 2006
By Bill O'Reilly



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214214,00.html

In every war America has ever fought, brutal methods were employed. The Japanese would not surrender in World War II, so atomic bombs were dropped on civilians. To break the will of the German people, the city of Dresden was firebombed. General Sherman's march through Georgia during the Civil War was full of atrocities. And the list goes on and on. In each case, a good argument can be made that the war tactics used were inhumane and against what America stands for, which is freedom and fair play.

In each case, victory was achieved and millions of people were set free as a result. So brutality led to freedom, and safety for tens of millions of human beings. Now America's fighting a barbaric enemy whose entire strategy is to commit atrocities. That's all the terrorists do: commit crimes. And many misguided Americans believe we cannot even interrogate these people harshly when lives are at stake. It is absolutely impossible to keep America safe by affording captured terrorists name, rank, and jihad number. For all the false accusations that the USA is a torture nation, there have only been a handful of cases where water boarding and other harsh measures were approved.

Right now in Guantanamo Bay, detainees are allowed eight hours of sleep, three meals a day, two hours of outside exercises daily, and a bevy of entertainment and religious options. For our trouble, the detainees throw bodily fluids at our guards hundreds of times a year. And there have been 90 stabbings by the captives, including an American doctor who was trying to save a detainee's life. Military doctors in Gitmo now wear body armor when examining detainees. So once again, it comes down to theory versus reality. The terrorists can do anything. We can't do much.

Senator John McCain and others believe if we go further than intense conversation, our soldiers will be in jeopardy if captured. Well, Senator McCain knows better than anyone else. They already are as the senator was brutally tortured by the North Vietnamese, who had signed the Geneva Convention. A few months ago, two American soldiers were captured in Iraq. They were sliced to death with machetes, photographed, and their bodies displayed on the Internet. If military people do capture those suspected of doing that, they now can't use any techniques other than conversation. Let's call it, "we'll ask, don't tell." As Talking Points stated Thursday night, President Bush is correct in asking for legal authority to use coercive interrogation methods in selective cases. The most noble thing in the world is saving lives. Sometimes harsh measures are needed to do that. And that's "The Memo."
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CarlVK Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 10:45 PM
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1. Don't you mean "suspected" terrorists, Bill?
Or can't you make up your mind?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 10:47 PM
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2. Ah, the Iraqis attacked us?
That would be like us attacking Mexico when Pearl Harbor happenned. O'Lielly just doesn't get it.

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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 10:48 PM
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3. You must break a few eggs to make an omelette?
Great, unless you're the egg.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 10:50 PM
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4. O'rielly and Faux suck eggs n/t
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 10:52 PM
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5. O'Reilly has all the moral rectitude...
...of a rabid skunk, and about the same amount of humanity.

Fuck him, he's a dumbshit.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 10:57 PM
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6. Shut up and enlist, O'Liely!! Since you have a hard on for war!!
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 10:58 PM
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7. So if we don't commit atrocities it shows we're not trying hard enough.
Effectiveness is besides the point - fear and terror simply make us, that is, people like Bill O'Reilly, feel better and more whole about the war, because it shows we're taking it seriously.

Isn't that really what this is about?
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 11:05 PM
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8. Just whom does he think....
Will do his bidding? I don't think he has realized this yet but there are more of them than there is of us.....
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 11:11 PM
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9. That's what nukes, napalm and machineguns are for (/freeper)
Or is that (/O'Reilly).
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 11:40 PM
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10. piss on O'Reilly....
Isn't there some OTHER third world dictatorship where he can peddle his bullshit?
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 11:46 PM
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11. Brutality will lead to true war if we aren't careful and look to peace.
If we actually rebuilt Iraq instead of allowing civil war to breed, things would be different. We wouldn't be creating a new generation of America-hating potential terrorists. Seems like this is the intent. We need to look to peaceful, constructive actions, even in the face of terrorist attacks, in order to avoid a cycle of destruction (and BushCo opportunism!) that we'd all regret. We can deal with the terrorists directly, and not have to subjugate innocent (oil-rich) nations in the process.

This is well worth thinking about. Where is this going, and do we want to give BushCo more opportunity to steal power, oil, and money from the Treasury? Our freedom is at stake if we respond to all of this hate with more hate, destruction with more destruction.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 06:17 AM
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12. To defeat terrorism
you must become terrorists.

Seems to be what he is saying.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 07:22 AM
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13. I am completely opposed to techniques like waterboarding.
But I think I can make an exception for DildO'Reilly.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 08:01 AM
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14. Those imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay have never been charged...
...with a crime...never proven to have committed a crime. They are SUSPECTS...pronouned guilty without a trial.

America was founded on principles that reject these ideas. Bush's New America makes it's own rules.



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