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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 02:08 PM
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Can the Geneva Convention rules be changed without other countries...
signing on to the changes? Can the US unilaterally change an agreement between nations? Is this entire argument moot? It is an international agreement. We cannot change without agreement of all the nations involved. Has this been discussed?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 02:10 PM
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1. I think the gist of what Bush is trying to do, is change the U.S.'s
interpretation of how it "adheres to" this treaty.

Geneva was an international treaty, so of course the U.S. can't unilaterally change its terms or content.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 02:55 PM
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7. If they want to say that "boarding", etc , is only open to interpretation,
..they are trying to change the rules themselves.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 02:13 PM
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2. no he can not change the geneva convention
the entire arguement is mute. we can op out but then we are not protected...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 02:19 PM
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3. He is changing the Code of Conduct agreed to by 3746586 Nations
Unilaterly to COVER HIS ASS.

There they go again, using the Laws to their advantage: In this Case...they even attempt to CHANGE things...NOT FOR US, but for THEM.

Despicable and not ver Productive toward a Better Society.

He is further eroding the TRUST the USA once HAD...

He panders to those who do not have a understanding of almost anything except who won the GAME, whether it be a race or football, etc. Iliterate/Alliterate people hardly understand shit except what they are told. That is our mission, to open their eyes just a bit

Can we do it in time?? Yes, look all around us...ppl are waking up...but not enough...we need more...and we are doing it...the cracks have widened...Bush is getting STRIDENT and ANGRY..classic signs of a Narccisant (Bad term)
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 02:32 PM
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4. In BushWorld, sure, reality isn't real big for them anyway. n/t
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 02:34 PM
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5. "pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions" is not torture. Atty
Gen Gonzales was involved in a case where that was an issue.

See my thread at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2152877&mesg_id=2152877
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 02:37 PM
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6. No
Congress can pass any law it likes, but waterboarding and other "harsh interrogation techniques" are forms of torture. Saying otherwise chages nothing.

Laws like the one Bush wants Congress to enact aren't written in English. They are written in Newspeak.
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