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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:00 PM
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In 'inciting an enemy to attack us' treason?
If it is, then that's maybe an easy case to make.

"Bring 'em on."

"Saying 'bring 'em on' was a mistake."
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:08 PM
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1. Yes, I'd say that qualifies as disloyalty to our country.
Also,a citizen's actions to help a foreign government make war against the parent nation.
Where do we sign?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation or state. A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "......citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the ." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:14 PM
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2. The U.S. Constitution limits the meaning of treason
In our system, according to Article III, Section 3: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
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CarlVK Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:20 PM
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3. Yes, it's even in the definition.
One of the defined characteristics of the act of treason is:

Making war on the American People.

Inviting those who are military opposers of US Citizens, in or out of uniform, would certainly satisfy this definition.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:40 PM
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4. link? source?
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 03:46 PM by onenote
Any support for your contention that saying "bring em on" would legally equate to "levying war on the United States"?

I'll answer my own question: No, you don't have any support for your contention. The law in this regard is long settled. In the case of Ex parte Bollmann, Chief Justice Marshall wrote that "However flagitious may be the crime of conspiring to subvert by force the government of our country, such conspiracy is not treason. To conspire to levy war, and actually to levy war, are distinct offences. The first must be brought into open action by the assemblage of men for a purpose treasonable in itself, or the fact of levying war cannot have been committed. So far has this principle been carried, that ... it has been determined that the actual enlistment of men to serve against the government does not amount to levying of war." He added that "the crime of treason should not be extended by construction to doubtful cases".
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:06 PM
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6. So that includes testing microwave weapons on citizens?
I think it certainly could. If not, it sure as hell ought to.

Bake
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:43 PM
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5. Not if the name of the person doing it ends in a capital R.
When Bush does it, it's "gettin' tuff."
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