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Bob Geiger Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:21 AM
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"War on Terror" Numbers To Silence Republican Candidates
When George W. Bush made a prime-time television appearance Monday night to give a political speech -- under the guise of commemorating the five-year anniversary of September 11 -- he started right off by telling both a lie and the truth in one short sentence.

"Today, we are safer, but we are not yet safe," said Bush, which means he was batting .500 with the truth in just one short statement. Not bad for him. It is undeniably true that we are not yet safe, but to imply that we are safer than we were before Bush turned the world against us is demonstrably false.

And Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) sketched out the only numbers needed to confirm that Bush's "war on terror" is not only going very badly, but has gotten much, much worse on his watch.

"Osama bin Laden is still on the loose. Al-Qaeda's membership, estimated at 20,000 on 9/11, is now estimated by our intelligence agencies at 50,000. Instead of shrinking and disappearing, they are growing geometrically," said Durbin on the Senate floor Tuesday, in describing how unsafe Republicans have made America.

Now there's a number we want to talk a lot about between now and the midterm elections, as Republicans beat their chests and say how safe they've kept Americans.

And Durbin's numbers check out. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, "U.S. intelligence estimates put the total number of fighters who underwent instruction at bin Laden-supported camps in Afghanistan from 1996 through 9/11 at 10,000 to 20,000."

And recent research by the nonprofit, nonpartisan Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism, funded by the Department of Homeland Security and other government grants, says that the number of Al-Qaeda has jumped from the 20,000 reported by the 9/11 Commission a few years ago to 50,000 today.



This is an astonishing and disturbing number given that these are the people our own government said attacked us on September 11 -- and there's a hell of a lot more of them now.

Durbin also responded to charges by Rick Santorum (R-PA) that floor-statements made by Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) about Iraq were damaging and purely political in nature, by citing a report released Monday from the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) entitled "Stabilizing Iraq: An Assessment of the Security Situation."

"The GAO published a graph yesterday. The number of attacks rose from around 100 in May of 2003 to roughly 4,500 in July of 2006," said Durbin. "Is it political or partisan to note the obvious, the GAO report to which Senator Reid made reference? That is not political partisanship; that is a reality, and we should face that reality because Iraq does continue to slip into civil war despite the billions that we have spent and the thousands of American lives which have been lost in that battle."

And here is the chart from the GAO report:



"Since June 2003, the overall security conditions in Iraq have deteriorated and grown more complex, as evidenced by increasing numbers of attacks and Sunni/Shi'a sectarian strife," said the GAO report.

More... Please go to BobGeiger.com to read the rest.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:31 AM
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1. GREAT post. Thanks , I will send around
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:42 AM
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2. I hope this becomes one of our main weapons in the coming months.
Great post... thank you!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:01 AM
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3. We should fight them on this issue.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:09 AM
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4. Projection
The Dems should put these graphics in a national commercial and say "with another two years of Republican controlled congress, there will be over 62,000 Al Qaeda members". You could do clever graphics & pictures that would show them multiplying like rabbits. Or like an old shampoo commercial (I believe it was pert?) that went "and they told two friends, and so on, and so on" while pictures of a grinning Osaama with an AK47 kept doubling on your t.v. screen every couple of seconds.

The ad people need to get creative and ruthless, AND take the first shot so we don't have to play defense all the way up to November.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:01 PM
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13. I Agree!
Let's not be dull and pontificating about this, remember the horrid wolves commercial they ran against John Kerry? The DNC needs to do similar tactics for this election - using these statistics.

Bunnies are too cute. What's a dangerous animal that breeds quickly? Preferably one no one much likes.

Roaches aren't really dangerous, but most people hate them. However, some people may think it's a pest control commercial.

Rats. Ugly rats - but are they scary enough?
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drmondo Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:51 PM
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16. Great charts! As for the ad...
bees. A stupid chimp gets stung by a bee. He could kill that bee, leave well enough alone and he'd be done with it. But no...he tries to get the nest, screws it up and now they're PISSED!
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:45 PM
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19. I Thought About Bees
Or wasps.
Do people recognize them as deadly enough? I mean, I think out of all the animals in the US, more people die of bee stings than from attacks by any other animal.

They could use sharks, if we wish to feed that particular fallacy
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:25 AM
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5. We, as a nation, are much safer having funneled trillions of $ to donors
since 9-11.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:17 PM
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6. The bar graphs bring it all home
They should be plastered all over the nation.

Newsprism
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:34 PM
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7. its not that tough to join al queda
you just say you're a member & poof!, you are.

the question is, what does that mean? that there are 50,000 members in sleeper cells in the US, awaiting marching orders from Waziristan? somehow, i doubt that.

more like 50,000 self-identified members throughout the muslim world, and every member of the Taliban doubled-counted.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:10 PM
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12. How many RW fundamentalists are there?
Remember Eric Rudolph? Not every RW zealot can do what he did, but hell, I don't like the idea of any more like him.

I'm not sure what your implication is anyway.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:39 PM
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15. It means trying to use terrorism to fight terrorism is an idiotic idea.
We are making more. It's not that hard to figure out.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:40 PM
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:08 PM
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9. Combat readiness
Is yet another measure of our failure in Iraq. Because we keep leaving equipment over there, returning units are often classified as not combat ready. As a result, the combat readiness of units has declined from something like over 90% at the end of the clinton years to (I think) 34% today.

This, I think, is a telling measure of how effective the unified Republican control of government has weakened our military. Anybody out there got the exact numbers/charts and graphs? I couldn't find them doing a quick search, but I heard it on NPR a couple of months ago, so I'm sure it's out there.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:10 PM
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10. Looks like we have surely turned a corner in Iraq. nt
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:29 PM
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11. Proud of Durbin!! Maybe this time Daley won't cut him off at the knees...
again like he did when Durbin came out against the Gitmo torture last year.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:38 PM
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14. These are the graphs that MUST get on the teevee over and over again
Has KO played them? Any semi-sympathetic host needs to display these for the good of this country.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:17 PM
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17. Thanks for the that.
Man, rethugs hate the real numbers. It's nice to have them.
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steve88 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:48 PM
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18. The only thing Bush has succeeded in doing is....
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 07:49 PM by steve88
making Iraq and the rest of the world a MUCH more DANGEROUS place. Iraq is devolving into a breeding ground for terrorists and is on the verge of complete civil war. Iraq is becoming like Afghanistan was under the Taliban (and even today the Taliban is regaining a lot of its strength in Afghanistan once again).

Bush is destabilizing the entire Middle East and he represents a huge threat to everyone's safety throughout the world. And to imagine that his criminal administration is contemplating an invastion of Iran...that is truly horrifying. It makes me think it might be over for all of us sooner than we think. I hope I am wrong. I have lost so much faith in this government. I always used to think we were the "greatest" country in the world. Not anymore. I will never feel that way ever again thanks to the war criminal they call George W. Bush and the criminal, murderous actions of the NeoCons.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 07:25 AM
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20. A little kick for real numbers
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