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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:44 AM
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First Employers Sent Your Job Overseas. Guess What? You’re Next medical

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First Employers Sent Your Job Overseas. Guess What? You’re Next.

Everyone—employees and employers—admit health care costs are skyrocketing and that something must be done. But shipping an employee overseas for medical care?

That’s what the manufacturing company Blue Ridge Paper in Canton, N.C., aimed to do when it made plans to send Carl Garrett, a paper mill technician, to India for gall bladder and shoulder surgery.

That is, until Garrett’s union, the United Steelworkers (USW), heard about it.

Says Stan Johnson, an assistant USW district director, who led negotiations with Blue Ridge:

I about fell off my chair when I heard this. I was appalled. The whole thing is insane. People are not looking at the slippery slope this could lead to. We’ve watched our jobs go offshore. Now we’re exporting patients. This is a flash point for the real issue—the need for universal health care.

After persistent objections by the union, management agreed to back off the plan. Both sides agreed to work together to find an alternative within the United States for Garrett, who had volunteered to undergo surgery in India in return for a 25 percent share of the savings.

Dubbed “medical tourism” by the media, the idea of outsourcing medical care to lower-cost countries is finding its way into corporate agendas as a way to cut health care costs.

Since 2000, employers’ health insurance premiums have risen 73 percent, and average employee contributions have risen 143 percent, according to the National Coalition on Health Care.

Working families are being hit hard by the rising costs as well. A huge majority (97 percent) of respondents in the AFL-CIO’s 2006 Ask a Working Woman survey said affordable health care was their top concern.

In a letter to members of Congress, USW President Leo Gerard says “medical tourism” shows the need for national health care reform:

Our members, along with thousands of unrepresented workers, are now being confronted with proposals to literally export themselves to have certain “expensive” medical procedures provided in India.

With companies now proposing to send their own American employees abroad for less expensive health care services, there can be no doubt that the U.S. health system is in immediate need of massive reform.

The right to safe, secure and dependable health care in one’s own country should not be surrendered for any reason, certainly not to fatten the profit margins of corporate investors.

Exporting medical care also exposes U.S. citizens to the whims of a foreign country’s medical and legal systems, says Johnson.

When you’re there, you give up your legal rights that you have here. You can’t sue if there’s malpractice. Who would send their 7-year-old child or their 80-year-old grandmother to a foreign country for surgery and you couldn’t do anything if something goes wrong?

The union movement is fighting to make quality health care less expensive and more available. The AFL-CIO has called for legislation to require employers to pay their fair share of medical coverage costs and for programs that expand coverage to the nearly 47 million Americans who do not have medical coverage.

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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:48 AM
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1. the DLC sucks because health insurance premiums have risen 73 percen
and they want Dems to keep their mouths shut. we can't. it's become completely immoral.
this is how we got here.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:18 AM
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10. Yet everyone wants govt subsidies for private health insurance now
something that looks more and more like an incredibly bad idea.

Many of the states that are implementing "so called" universal health coverage are really only forcing everyone to buy private insurance plans, with the state helping subsidize the cost of the premiums for some. What a ridiculous idea when there is no way to cap the cost of the premiums and no way to protect some level of minimum coverage.

When will the adults step in and begin investigating the insurance industry for price gouging and collusion. Perhaps its time they become more strongly regulated, like public utilities.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:26 AM
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12. The DLC is part of the problem
because their plan, the Hillarycare plan, keeps for profit insurance companies in the catbird seat.

Not only does this maintain the high cost and Byzantine paperwork that eat up so many administrative dollars, it also leaves the incentive to DENY care in place: the need to maximize profit.

This is one area that does NOT belong in the marketplace. The DLC members don't see it. Apparently they have great insurance and the insurance industry will ensure they get great care.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:30 AM
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14. i want to outsource politicians and stockbrokers and keep the docs here
in the usa where they can do some good. the pols and brokers, feh.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:48 AM
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2. Outrageous.
Just when you think things can't get anymore bizarre - it does.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:51 AM
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3. I have seen something on 60 minutes about these overseas operations
But they were interviewing people who had no or little insurance that found getting a heart bypass surgery was much more affordable overseas than here in the states. The guy raved how great and clean the hospital was.

I don't know, it's kinda scary if you ask me. I think overseas is a good option for those who have little to no insurance or looking for technology not available here in the states (one lady on the 60min show went overseas because of the advanced technology they use for hip replacement surgery).

It should be a choice, not a requirement
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:56 AM
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5. "It should be a choice, not a requirement" -- well said
There are many valid reasons to leave America for healthcare. The assumption that foreign healthcare is by nature inferior to American healthcare is just plain wrong. But medical choices are personal, and neither employers nor the government should interfere in such a huge manner.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:20 AM
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11. We need to support our own doctors and health care system here
What will we do with all the doctors and health care professionals here in the US once we "outsource" all of their jobs? No, not a good idea at all.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:27 AM
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13. why aren't we outsourcing bankers and stockbrokers? because that makes
a fuckload more sense.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:53 AM
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4. Not only am I appalled at this company's gall at attempting
to pull this off but I am also flabbergasted at the Carl's behavior as well.

<snip>
who had volunteered to undergo surgery in India in return for a 25 percent share of the savings.
<snip>

Don't even try to justify this to me. This was just plain STUPID. And I bet the stupid ass is disappointed that the union put a halt to it if the truth be told.

As a side issue, I wonder where American physicians and hospitals are on this issue. You'd think you'd hear a great big yelp out of them about his, wouldn't you?
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:10 AM
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9. "Medical Tourism"
I heard about this on NPR the other day and was appalled. Right now it sounds like some corporations are just experimenting with it but I would bet good money (if I actually had any to bet with) that if corporations believe that this practice is a viable option for them and will help them decrease their health insurance costs while increasing their already insane profits, shipping employees over to other countries for surgery will end up being a requirement (condition of employment) NOT a choice. It seems like it would make more sense for corporations to advocate for better health care (we are supposed to have the best health care system in the world, right?:eyes:) and lower prices HERE. But then again, given the current obsession with outsourcing among American corporations, I guess I'm really not THAT surprised, which is kind of sad really.
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:01 AM
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6. Disgusting.
:puke:
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:09 AM
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7. I'm not outraged, just fascinated by the ironies and possibilites...
since this has been going on for a while. I remember when Czech dentists were geting a lot of business because they were so cheap and always could fit you in if you had hard currency. And some European hospitals and spas have always catered to Americans and others with treatments unavailable at home.

A lot of radiology and other diagnostic work is already being done by Indian doctors. Seems hospitals don't want to, or can't, find enough night shift radiologists here, so ERs are sending the X-rays and scans to India for immediate diagnosis.

It does suck that we have a capitalist health care system that deamnds you have the money before you get treatment or dooms you to some charity ward, but until we straighen that out some Canadian entrepreneur could come up with Cuban "health tours." Think of the possibilities for a week on Cuban beach and some uncovered surgery for less than a weekend at Disney World.

Just don't let Homeland Insecurity know how you came back from Montreal with that tan.





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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:09 AM
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8. "But we have the best healthcare system in the world!"
So say the righties, anyway.

I had thought that tipping point in demand for a single-payer health insurance system would finally come from the business community as they came to find it impossible to continue covering even their white-collar employees. But I clearly underestimated the corners they'd be willing to cut.
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