Does it bother them that they have to lie to make their case?

[endarkenment]

It is to me at this point beyond a doubt that the leaders of the Cabal do not believe any of the endless bullshit that they spew in defense of their policies, that is that they know they are lying. In fact they seem to take considerable pride in the extent, the bravado, the chutzpah of each new lie they float. To a certain extent, and how far I am not sure, this culture of deceit seems to have trickled down to mainstream republicans, they too use outright lies to defend their positions.

What I don't understand is does it bother them that they have to lie in order to make their case? From efforts to destory social security and public education to wars of conquest and plunder, do they care that if they told the truth about what they were doing they or their leaders would be tossed out of office? How do they rationalize the endless and routine use of deception?

[Avalux]

1. No. The end justifies the means.

They must remain in power, so whatever they do to keep it, lying, stealing, worse - they'll do it. That's about as simple as it gets.

[kaygore]

Exactly what I was going to say.

[tk2kewl]

9. That is indeed an underlying part of neoconservatism

Leo Strauss taught the founders well and they have been grooming liars for decades. The people don't deserve the truth. They can't handle the truth.

[Avalux]

11. They are terrified of the truth.

And I'm hoping they'll go so overboard trying to subvert it in the next couple of months, they'll implode (it's already happening, I think).

[damntexdem]

23. ONLY the end can justify the means.

But their ends don't justify ANY means.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Nope. Uh, uh. Not a bit.

[no_hypocrisy]

3. Deleted. Dupe.

[tk2kewl]

4. Of course they don't care.

If lying is a necessary means to an end, so be it.

[Rude Horner]

5. Read "Blinded by the Right"

by journalist and ex-conservative David Brock. It's a fascinating book on the mindset of the current Republican party. It truly is a culture of "The ends justify the means". Lying doesn't matter if it gets them what they want. That is truly what they believe.

[Sapere aude]

6. To them it is not so much about the lie as it is the contempt for those

they lie to.

[endarkenment]

17. That is what I think as well.

It is the Straussian elitist thing they have going. However I think the culture of contemptuous lying has spread from the republican leadership down into their base. I find that unsettling.

[Doctor_J]

7. It didn't bother them that they had to stop counting votes in 2000

why would lying nag at their consciences?

[endarkenment]

20. Well that is a good example of how things have progressed.

One could reasonably believe that many Republicans, even many Republicans in leadership positions actually believed that they won the election fair and square, that the Democrats were just stalling, and that the supreme court did the right thing. Some Republicans were obviously in on the deception (for example the ones who organized the fake riot at the Dade County offices), but many could be honest believers.

I don't think that is the case anymore. My point is not that the leadership lies with impunity, they do obviously. My point is that the deliberate lying has trickled down and is now pervasive within a broad cohort of what I will label 'non-moronic republicans'.

[Double T]

8. Pathologic liars with NO conscience and NO remorse...........

.......psychopaths!

[leftofthedial]

10. they and their masters are becoming wealthy beyond

all human precedent

they don't give a damn about a few lies

[Wilber_Stool]

12. It's not a lie, if you believe it.

George Costanza.

[endarkenment]

18. But I don't think they do.

I understand fools. These folks aren't fools. Consider the switfboat smear campaign. None of those asshats believed a word they were saying. It was all bullshit and they all knew it.

[ShortnFiery]

13. You really have to look at them through their greedy eyes ...

All that matters is that they and their friends who are invested in Corporations within the Military Industrial Complex MAKE MONEY.

These are Oil Men (and woman - Condi). Therefore, it was "manna from Heaven" when we Invaded Iraq and Oil Prices went through the roof. Think CORPORATE profits, especially those that are tied into "The War Machine." Then you will fully understand why this corrupt and greedy Administration believes that Iraq is the center of "The war on terror."

To This Executive Branch, all that matters is Corporate Wealth. The troops be damned!

Their attitudes and behaviors are a cross between Machiavellian and Orwellian. Further, NOT one of their interests have any damn thing to do with the welfare of The Average Working American. We are mere chattering classes and pawns to these arrogant ultra-wealthy power brokers. If there is no justice in this harsh world, I find peace in my FAITH that Saint Peter will send Dear Leader and Darth Cheney STRAIGHT TO HELL for Eternity. All those who have needlessly died and have been maimed by these war mongers ... I believe that God will grant them beauty and everlasting life in heaven.
"The first shall be last, the last shall be first." AMEN :hi:

[nealmhughes]

21. Of course it is all about money. They left their morals at the last Ayn

Rand book signing before she croaked.

All the Bill Kristol and Ari Cohen "intellectual" justifications for all the neocon crap, the Talibangelist enablers praying for the Rapture or Tribulation (sorry, I get my eschatology confused) are their stooges: it all boils down to corporate greed.

Why are there even cars on the streets of Baghdad if every single one is a potential bomb? The morgue count makes one frightened, which makes one cheer on Darth and *, the head honchos at BushCo,Inc.

A passive 'bread and circus' non-critical public, a rubber stamp banana republic legislature, and a state press is just what they need to make the money on bombs, oil futures and "free trade."

If there are no REAL jobs soon, and not Chinese trinkets imported to entertain us, then will the entire country be on the dole? They need to realize that a bored unemployed republic is a very, very dangerous thing...

Meanwhile the death continues as the Republicans and DLC votes to not sanction us and Israel for cluster bombs...

[blm]

14. This group of sociopaths have likely operated like this since childhood -

so, I doubt they have an OUNCE of remorse.

It's the "Lord of the Flies" administration.

[CJCRANE]

15. It's not lying

it's "creating reality".

[DURHAM D]

16. This question is answered in John Dean's new book.

Suggest you get a copy.

[OzarkDem]

19. No, they're psychopaths

End justifies the means, etc.

[damntexdem]

22. No, that they have to lie to try to make their case ...

is just the icing on their cake.

[Lindacooks]

24. No. All they do is lie. If they told the truth,

they'd all be in the Hague.

Never forget: "Clear Skies Initiative" increased pollution. "Healthy Forests Initiative" encouraged clear-cutting and logging in National parklands. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Also never forget what Gingrinch (sic) told President Clinton:

"I hated to do you like that, but if we fought you fair you'd win every time."

http://liberaltopia.org/?p=1016

[razors edge]

25. the children of strauss have no shame.