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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:00 PM
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Bush tries to squirm off War Crimes Hook
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 03:14 PM by Vyan
War Criminals Belong in Prison - Not Washington
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From the Washington Post.
The Bush administration has drafted amendments to a war crimes law that would eliminate the risk of prosecution for political appointees, CIA officers and former military personnel for humiliating or degrading war prisoners, according to U.S. officials and a copy of the amendments.

The draft U.S. amendments to the War Crimes Act would narrow the scope of potential criminal prosecutions to 10 specific categories of illegal acts against detainees during a war, including torture, murder, rape and hostage-taking.

Left off the list would be what the Geneva Conventions refer to as "outrages upon personal dignity" of a prisoner and deliberately humiliating acts -- such as the forced nakedness, use of dog leashes and wearing of women's underwear seen at the U.S.-run Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq -- that fall short of torture.

Although 26 detainees have already died in custody from what investigators say was mistreatment and torture - there have yet to be any prosecutions under the War Crimes Act 18 USC § 2441. Make no mistake, prosecutions under the Uniform Code of Military Justice - which also includes the Geneva Conventions as part of it's struction have taken place against "low-level" grunts, but as pointed out by The Nation, Administration officials who are not part of the miliatary are not subject to the UCMJ, hence the War Crimes Act was created to make thier level of responsibility and culpability the same as those in uniform. This change to the current law would open a fissure and in all likelyhood allow even more of these types of deaths to occur, certainly not less - and would help to ensure that those not in uniform have an "escape hatch" to avoid responsibilty for the consequences of their actions and orders.

The Bush Administration has long been fully aware of those consequences has already shown Malice of Forethought when Alberto Gonzales originally attempted in 2002 to circumvent the WCA by having detainees declared as exempt from the Geneva Conventions as revealed Michael Isikoff for Newsweek.
The concern about possible future prosecution for war crimes—and that it might even apply to Bush adminstration officials themselves— is contained in a crucial portion of an internal January 25, 2002, memo by White House counsel Alberto Gonzales obtained by NEWSWEEK. It urges President George Bush declare the war in Afghanistan, including the detention of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters, exempt from the provisions of the Geneva Convention.
The fact is that both the Supreme Court and other Federal Judges have made judicial determinations which indicate that Bush has violated this act. In Hamdan v Rumsfeld Justice Kennedy stated:
Article 3 of the Geneva Convention (III)Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War,Aug. 12,1949, <1955 > 6 U..S.T.3316,3318,T.I.A.S.No.3364. The provision is part of a treaty the United States has ratified and thus accepted as binding law.See id.,at 3316. By Act of Congress, moreover, violations of Common Article 3 are considered “war crimes,” punishable as federal offenses,when committed by or against United States nationals and military personnel. See 18 U.S.C.§2441. There should be no doubt,then,that Common Article 3 is part of the law of war as that term is used in §821
This dig was followed by a total smackdown of Bush's Unitary Executive theories last month when Federal Judge Anna Diggs Taylor ruled that the Administration Domestic Spying program was Unconstitutional, violating the 4th Amendment, 1st Admentment and the criminal statutes of the FISA law itself.

It's just fortunate for Bush that his primary co-defendant for any formal charges happens to be the Attorney General of the United States.

If Bush manages to makes technical changes in the War Crimes Act before the Congress turns Democratic and gains Subpeona power - he just might squirm out of this, unless.... we have another replay of the filibuster follies of last year in the Senate.

I've always enjoyed reruns of my favorite programs, haven't you?

Crosspostd on Truth 2 Power

Vyan
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:07 PM
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1. The Bush Administration is disgusting.
Please tell your Senators and Congressperson that you don't want any reduction in the scope of war crimes which can be prosecuted:

Contact information for Congress
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:08 PM
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2. that fence will get hard on his butt pretty soon.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:22 PM
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3. K&R.
They were considering potential future prosecutions from the get-go. It was a central part of the work that Yoo, Gonzales, and Bybee did.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:22 PM
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4. This is not going to help in at The Hague.
International Law will trump this end-around.

It's like Nazi Germany. German law during the war undoubtedly gave them the power to do the horrors, but that didn't stop the world from holding them accountable.

Likewise, ChimpCo. They are going to pay.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:27 PM
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6. Hear hear and K & R nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:22 PM
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5. K&R
THis shouldn't be allowed to fly under the radar.
:dem:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:37 PM
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7. Pinochet just found out . . .
Your mileage may very on a grant of "lifetime" immunity.

Which of course brings up the question: What is Congress doing while these crimes are outstanding? What are they investigating? What are they holding hearings on? Who is being subpoenaed? If we're going to get to the bottom of this, and we owe it to every honorable person in the military to do so, then I guess it will be up to the Democrats to do it.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:39 PM
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8. Note to Jr: Laws are non-retroactive. They aply for the future, not past.
Whatever bar you want to lower now, you are still liable under the existing law. Constitution sez so.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:37 PM
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9. Isn't the US a party to the Convention against Torture?
Maybe they are not, but I thought they were. That would be in addition to the Geneva Conventions.
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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:52 PM
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12. We are, indeed, a signatory to that.
We've been a signatory to that since the 1980s, according to the list of the signatories to the UN Convention Against Torture, as documented by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights: http://www.ohchr.org/english/countries/ratification/9.htm
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Marrak Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:11 PM
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10. These feces hurlers...
are scared to death of being held accountable for their criminal behaviors and will think, do, and say anything to save their asses. They fling their shit in through our front doors while creeping around back to change the law. Jail 'em all!

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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:51 PM
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11. Its like Hitler legalizing the holocaust in the middle of WW2
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 05:52 PM by niceypoo
thinking it would insulate him from getting in trouble...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:54 PM
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13. time is of the essence
to have his war crimes declared retroactively okee-dokee by the US Congress and to declare him untouchable by the International Court.

The Rs know perfectly well a Democratic Congress will not protect Junior and his torture/rendition/shock & awe regime.
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Marrak Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:58 PM
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14. The Bush-War Mal-administration...
so certain of their violations of this legislation that it requires urgent, retroactive ass-covering? How f**hing quaint...heh Alberto Speer Gonzalez?
:wtf:
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Marrak Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 06:12 PM
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15. It's been taken care of...
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TitanicWreck Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 06:26 PM
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16. I guess the concept of 'leading by example' eludes Bush
I hope Americans realize what a pathetic image Bush is projecting about America around the world. We arrogantly boast about America beng the world's 'beacon of freedom', and Bush does this...
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 06:32 PM
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17. Those shits in office are bound and determined to...
completley eradicate the constitution, not to mention any law that they may break. Coup, Coup.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 08:37 PM
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18. I've said it before and I'll say it again
They can get people off the hook in the future (unless we the people stop them), but they *cannot* Constitutionally get them off retroactively:

No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
Article I, Section 9, United States Constitution

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e086.htm
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:33 AM
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19. I hope they do amend the Act - that will trigger mandatory int'l enforce-
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 04:33 AM by leveymg
ment under the Treaty.

If any particular state can't or won't prosecute violations, the international community is bound to do do under the terms of the UN Torture Convention.

Great post.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:01 AM
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20. well, in truth its a complete admission of their guilt i'd say.
and i don't think they can simply exempt themselve and their minions from laws retroactively like this anyways.
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