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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:40 PM
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Help me with this freeper junk
this came to me in an email...it wasn't sent to me, but a was a response from someone to the sender of my email. I'm sure this is all wrong...but don't know where the correct figures are:
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School
of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some
interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential
election:
1. Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million;
2. Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000;
3. States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29
4. Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1
help
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:43 PM
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1. Check Snopes n/t
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:44 PM
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2. Twisted statistics
As Mark Twain once said, "There's lies, damned lies and statistics". The statistics listed make one draw conclusions that have no relevance to anything.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:45 PM
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3. Return to sender with the words popular vote Gore
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:45 PM
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4. Snopes link:
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:47 PM
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5. Also add something like "Number of pizzas ordered by communities
supporting Gore vs. Bush --- ???? This so called "professor" should be ashamed.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 10:06 PM
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8. It wasn't written by a professor — that's been debunked by Snopes:
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University is not the source of any of the statistics or the text attributed to him. Professor Olson was contacted (by me) via e-mail, and he confirmed that he had no authorship or involvement in this matter. And, as Fayette Citizen editor Dave Hamrick wrote back in January 2001:

I really enjoyed one recent message that was circulated extremely widely, at least among conservatives. It gave several interesting "facts" supposedly compiled by statisticians and political scientists about the counties across the nation that voted for George Bush and the ones that voted for Al Gore in the recent election.

Supposedly, the people in the counties for Bush had more education, more income, ad infinitum, than the counties for Gore.

I didn't have time to check them all out, but I was curious about one item in particular... the contention that the murder rate in the Gore counties was about a billion times higher than in the Bush counties.

This was attributed to a Professor Joseph Olson at the Hamline University School of Law. I never heard of such a university, but went online and found it. And Prof. Olson does exist.

"Now I'm getting somewhere," I thought.

But in response to my e-mail, Olson said the "research" was attributed to him erroneously. He said it came from a Sheriff Jay Printz in Montana. I e-mailed Sheriff Printz, and guess what? He didn't do the research either, and didn't remember who had e-mailed it to him.

In other words, he got the same legend e-mailed to him and passed it on to Olson without checking it out, and when Olson passed it on, someone thought it sounded better if a law professor had done the research, and so it grew.

Who knows where it originally came from, but it's just not true.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:47 PM
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6. There's only 48 States? Did we loss 2?....
3. States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29... ...Oh yeah, Mississippi and Louisiana
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:56 PM
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7. Actual votes won by Gore: 50,999,897 (48.38% ), actual votes won by
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 10:11 PM
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9. No Sweat - Here's A Whole Site on Blue vs. Red States
I happen to be the proud author/editor/owner of blueworksbetter.com. For example, blue states have much lower murder rates than do red states.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 11:34 PM
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10. thank you all!!!!
You are terrific, I will print all this out and save as ammunition.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 11:38 PM
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11. "Square miles of land" always cracks me up.
Remind them that cows don't vote.
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