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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 11:05 AM
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Richard Clarke Debunks ABC 9-11 Docudrama
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 11:56 AM by Vyan
Crossposted on Truth 2 Power

The upcoming 2-Part ABC Docudrama "The Path to 9/11" features a key scene during it's first night "where former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger refuses to give the order to the CIA to take out bin Laden -- even though CIA agents, along with the Northern Alliance, have his house surrounded".

But Thinkprogress now has a response from former Counter-Terrorism Chief Richard Clarke which indicates that this scene never happened.

In the film the situation is depicted as:

The CIA, the Northern Alliance, surrounding a house where bin Laden is in Afghanistan, they're on the verge of capturing, but they need final approval from the Clinton administration in order to proceed.

So they phoned Washington. They phoned the White House. Clinton and his senior staff refused to give authorization for the capture of bin Laden because they're afraid of political fallout if the mission should go wrong, and if civilians were harmed...Now, the CIA agent in this is portrayed as being astonished. "Are you kidding?" He asked Berger over and over, "Is this really what you guys want?"

Berger then doesn't answer after giving his first admonition, "You guys go in on your own. If you go in we're not sanctioning this, we're not approving this," and Berger just hangs up on the agent after not answering any of his questions.

This is an old canard, one that first arose just days after the 9/11 attack.

Clarke's response:

1. Contrary to the movie, no US military or CIA personnel were on the ground in Afghanistan and saw bin Laden.

2. Contrary to the movie, the head of the Northern Alliance, Masood, was no where near the alleged bin Ladin camp and did not see UBL.

3. Contrary to the movie, the CIA Director actually said that he could not recommend a strike on the camp because the information was single sourced and we would have no way to know if bin Laden was in the target area by the time a cruise missile hit it.

Thinkprogress notes:

According to the 9/11 Commission Report (pg. 199), then-CIA Director George Tenet had the authority from President Clinton to kill Bin Laden. Roger Cressy, former NSC director for counterterrorism, has written, "Mr. Clinton approved every request made of him by the CIA and the U.S. military involving using force against bin Laden and al-Qaeda."

The facts stand in stark contrast to the film, which was apparently written by a "friend" of Rush Limbaugh's.

Yet there's even more data which makes the claims made by this movie against the Clinton Administration even more outlandish. As early as 1996 concerted efforts by Clinton to increase our anti-terrorism funding and the capabilities were blocked by the Republican Congress.

"We need to keep this country together right now. We need to focus on this terrorism issue," Clinton said during a White House news conference.

But while the president pushed for quick legislation, Republican lawmakers hardened their stance against some of the proposed anti-terrorism measures.

One key GOP senator was more critical, calling a proposed study of chemical markers in explosives "a phony issue."

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, emerged from the meeting and said, "These are very controversial provisions that the White House wants. Some they're not going to get."

"If they want to, they can study the thing" already, Hatch asserted. He also said he had some problems with the president's proposals to expand wiretapping.

It may be possible that "Path to 9/11" author Cyrus Nowrasteh didn't completely make up the scene of Bin Laden's escape from U.S. Forces - he simply transplanted it to before 9/11, when in fact this harrowing escape by Bin laden took place in 2001 at Tora Bora.

The Bush administration has concluded that Osama bin Laden was present during the battle for Tora Bora late last year and that failure to commit U.S. ground troops to hunt him was its gravest error in the war against al Qaeda, according to civilian and military officials with first-hand knowledge.

Intelligence officials have assembled what they believe to be decisive evidence, from contemporary and subsequent interrogations and intercepted communications, that bin Laden began the battle of Tora Bora inside the cave complex along Afghanistan's mountainous eastern border. Though there remains a remote chance that he died there, the intelligence community is persuaded that bin Laden slipped away in the first 10 days of December.

During his term President Clinton considered Osama Bin Laden to be a grave threat and top priority. He vastly increased counter-terrorism funding, refocused priorities including creation of the "Bin Laden Desk" at CIA which was headed by Michael Scheuer - but the fact is that Clinton not only had enemies in the Republican Congress, he had enemies within the goverment and military who sloughed off his requests and even dragged their feet when given direct orders to Kill Bin Laden.

From Richard Clarke's Against All Enemies pg 225-226.

Because of the intesity of the political opposition that Clinton engendered, he had been heavily criticized for bombing al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, for engaging in "Wag the Dog" tactics to divert attention from a scandal about his personal life. For similar reasons, he could not fire the recalcitrant FBI Director (Republican Louis Freeh) who had failed to fix the Bureau or to uncover errrorists in the United States. He had given the CIA unprecedented authority to go after bin Laden personaly and al Qaeda, but had not taken steps when they did little or nothing.

Because Clinton was criticized as a Vietnam War opponent without a military record, he was limited in his ability to direct the military to engage in anti-terrorist commando operations they did not want to conduct.

In the absense of a bigger provocation from al Qaeda to silence his critics, Clinton thought he could do no more. Nonetheless, he put in place the plans and programs that allowed America to respond to the big attacks when they did come, sweeping away political barriers to action.

Despites his efforts and his hammering on counter-terrorism as a priority - Clinton was often ignored and derided by his political opponents. He could "do no more" because Congress and the Military wouldn't let him do more.

"..Enemies" page 204.

On the issue of the White House authorizing CIA to kill bin Laden, much has been written. Several reporters, including Barton Gellman in the Washington Post of December 19, 2001, have written that President Clinton approved multiple intelligence documents authorizing CIA to use lethal force against Osama bin Laden and his deputies. Sandy Berger elaborated before the Join House-Senate Inquiry Committee, saying. "We received rulings in the Department of Justice not to prohibit our efforts to try to kill bin Laden, because did not apply to situation in which you're acting in self-defense or you're acting against command-and-control targets"

Yet bin Laden was not killed. President Clinton as reported in USA Today reflected his frustration by noting "I tried to take bin Laden out... the last four years I was in office."

The Assasination Ban was no small legal issue, but was simply used as an excuse to not accomplish the mission. Time after time, the Military and CIA balked when oppurtunities arose to kill bin Laden. When the issue of arming the Predator drone with missiles was considered, then CIA director George Tenet didn't want responsibility for giving the kill order, he was quoted by reporters as saying "It would be a terrible mistake" to have the CIA conduct an assasination as it would endanger the lives of CIA operatives around the world.

The bottom line is that they didn't take bin Laden seriously and thought Clinton and his deputies including Berger and Clarke had "Osama on the Brain". Clarke continued...

When Clinton left office many people, including the incoming Bush administration leadership, thought that he and his administration were overly obsessed with al Qaeda. After all, al Qaeda had killed only a few Americans, nothing like the hundreds of Marines who died at the hands of Beirut terrorists during the Reagan administration or the hundreds of Americans who were killed by Libya on Pan Am 103 during the first Bush's administration. Those two acts had not provoked U.S. military retaliation. Why was Clinton so worked up about al Qaeda and why did he talk to President-elect Bush about it and have Sandy Berger raise it with his successor as National Security Advisor Condi Rice?

Why indeed?

Better question, why did BushGov completely ignore these urgent warnings about OBL - and the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole - until August of 2001? Even then the did little more than have meetings about it.

Vyan

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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 11:38 AM
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1. THANKS!
I had a conversation with someone last night that said Clinton did nothing. I have just sent him this info! You Rock!!

By the way, I shut him up by reminding him that he still under the max age for enlistment, and I know where the enlistment office is! Amazing how fast the topic gets changed....
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 12:19 PM
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9. Just tell him "GoArmy.com" That shuts 'em up real fast! nt
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 11:42 AM
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2. Thank You Richard Clarke!
:kick: & R!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 11:42 AM
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3. Do you think this mockumentary will include...
... Bush asking Rumsfeld, on November 21, 2001, just over 2 months after 9/11 -- while we were still on the hunt for bin Laden in Tora Bora -- to get the plans for invading Iraq in order? Of course, they'd have to bleep-out Tommy Franks' response when the order was passed to him.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 12:54 PM
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12. Actually, he started making plans for Iraq on September 12, 2001...
But that won't be touched on either... I bet they don't even suggest Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 - just to coinside with the current administration talking points.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 01:45 PM
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13. Yes, he was asking Clarke et al to figure out "if" ...
... Saddam was involved in 9/11.

But it was November 21 when he *ordered" Rumsfeld to draw-up the plans, diverting Tommy Franks' focus from Afghanistan. Bush spent less than 2 months going after bin Laden, explicitly, if at all. It is arguable that Bush left bin Laden alone in order to maintain the "need" for the terra war.
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KalicoKitty Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 10:48 PM
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17. Actually, the Iraq war was planned in 1998!
FOUR YEARS BEFORE 9/11


Junior HAD to finish the job Poppy failed to do…to get Saddam Hussein out of power. Iraq is worse off NOW than with Saddam out of power. Bush's war in Iraq has gotten worse. It is a breeding ground for terrorists.


http://www.moderateindependent.com/v1i16iraqwar.htm


http://www.newamericancentury.org/lettersstatements.htm

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 11:51 AM
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4. Excellent post oh and the agent who says "Are you kidding?" is
I think I am not sure of this but he featured prominently on the ABC web page

...... New Kids on the Block's own Donnie Wahlberg as "Kirk"

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005531/

The ABC site

http://abc.go.com/movies/thepathto911/index.html


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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 12:10 PM
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7. more propoganda amplified by ABC
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 11:51 AM
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5. Excellent work, Vyan. I remember being outraged
at the time when, every time Clinton tried to DO SOMETHING about OBL and al Qaeda, the Republican wankers would start hollerin', "Wag the dog! Wag the dog!" It became impossible for WJC to ACT to rout al Qaeda back when it might have been a lot easier -- all because of Republicans, not Democrats and Bill Clinton.

Repugs derided Clinton's intent interest in getting bin Laden, poked bawdy fun and preached hypocritical judgments at Bill at every turn, and hyped to the max the personal foibles that led an otherwise great Democratic President to huge embarrassment -- but never should have become a legal matter for impeachment consideration. I have NEVER understood why the many comments made by Repugs during those years seem never to have been brought to light even by Democrats or by the few remaining journalists who still have independent and honest investigative values.

I haven't done the research yet to see if ANYTHING was indeed written to protest insinuations or outright claims by Repugs that WJC and Dems never did much to capture or kill the terrorists who later ate our lunch on 9/11, but I do remember living through those times, and I simply cannot recall much being said in defense of Bill's efforts and in favor of hard pursuit of al Qaeda at the time.

Quite honestly, I was not a huge fan of WJC's when he was in office. Perhaps that attitude stemmed partly from the fact that he had been a governor in our neighbor-state, Arkansas, and that's how I knew of him. It's always kinda hard to give full respect to a politician that seems more like a "local" to us and, to admit to my own self-deprecating bias, a "bohunk" sort of character from a state (like my own) that has long been considered very low on the list of advanced and erudite thinking regions.

But in retrospect I have gained a lot of respect for Clinton -- and not just by comparison to Chimpy, but in general and in historical perspective. I still have my complaints about him, but I'd take him back in a heartbeat if it meant we could get rid of the maniacs with their secret agenda who are now in charge and who are leading this once-great nation headlong into destruction and depravity.

And I remember at the time thinking, "Oh hell, that's just GREAT," when Hollywood released the movie Wag The Dog at exactly the WRONG time. I feared it would lead the public as well as the Repugs to greet every effort Clinton made to get al Qaeda with derision as mere "wag the dog" tactics. Pissed me off then, and I still get angry when I think about it now, even though the movie itself was very well done and funny as hell, with talented, first-class actors in the leading roles. In fact, it probably did MORE harm because it was so well done!

Thanks for your excellent presentation of Richard Clarke's debunking of the "Clinton did nothing" to bring down al Qaeda talk, and I hope it gets a lot of attention. Maybe even some major "news" outlets will eventually take notice and do some respectable reporting of the truth, but I don't have much hope for that any more. Guess we have to do it ourselves, as people here at DU have been demonstrating for some time.


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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 11:52 AM
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6. K&R. Thank you. nt
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 12:13 PM
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8. The FBI & Thomas Kean (Chair, 911 Comm) are paid Advisors for this film
WTF is up wit THAT?
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 12:20 PM
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10. To turn lies into a movie, go to the source of the lies. nt
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 12:50 PM
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11. K&R for Richard Clarke !
God, I love FACTS. :loveya:
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 03:49 PM
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14. Propaganda...Republicans are responsible for 9/11 and no one else.
:grr:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 08:55 AM
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15. K&R (nt)
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 11:06 AM
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16. ABC running this thing is probably the best thing that could
happen for the Truthists.

ABC runs this thing, it's based on the 9/11 Commission Report, it's
endorsed by the FBI and Tom Kean, and it's full of lies. Perfect!
Sometimes I think these media hatchet jobs are exercises in reverse
psychology--showing blatant petty bias because they don't dare
cover the story straight. "Oh no, I would never criticize our
great infallible fearless leader. Only a completely depraved
loony whack-job would do that."
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 11:02 PM
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18. Shame on Hollywood for producing this 911 "docudrama" which
although I have not seen yet, from all reports seems
to have an anti-Clinton slant to it.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 08:05 AM
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19. Is UHP Productions, Ltd based in Hollywood?
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 08:20 AM by Bridget Burke
The mysterious production company apparently did NOTHING before their current lie-fest. This thread is about General Clarke--who knows more than you about the subject.

You are not fooling anybody.

Edited to add: Most of the film was shot in Canada. Hardly "Hollywood."


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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:15 PM
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21. By "Hollywood" I mean the generic film making industry, not the
village of Hollywood. I don't have the exact figures but
my guess is very small percentage of movies are shot in
Hollywood iitself. The days of big studio's located there
are long gone.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:27 PM
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20. Richard Clarke's book "Against All Enemies," makes it clear
that Clinton was VERY focused to the point of OBSESSION on catching bin laden. This crap that Disney is trying to do is pure bullshit.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:30 PM
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22. Clarke: "Your government failed you - I failed you"
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