New book alleges Rove/Abramoff meetings; Stepfather's gay life explored

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A new book by Austin-based journalist James Moore and senior Dallas Morning News political reporter Wayne Slater will report Tuesday that Karl Rove's step-father, Louis Rove, divorced his mother and lived the rest of his adult life as an openly gay man, RAW STORY has learned.

The book also alleges that Rove held streetcorner meetings with fallen superlobbyist Jack Abramoff, knowing that all visits and phones calls to the White House were logged.

"A man of almost startling intelligence, Rove is not likely to have ignored the possibility that his father's homosexuality might have figured in his mother choice to end her own life," the authors write.

A self-admitted agnostic, Rove has to date portrayed his parent's divorce and mother's subsequent death as something of a mystery.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/New_book_alleges_Rove_agnostic_stepfather_0902.html

[bertha katzenengel]

1. What relevance does a man's personal life have here? n/t

[msongs]

6. republican christians have declared war on gays? is that enuff?

personally wishing ill luck or much worse on 20 million people so you can win elections thru hate and fear mongering. is that enuff for ya?

works for me :-)

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[bertha katzenengel]

15. Good point. I still don't like it -- digging up personal stuff and

flinging it -- but this is a powerful point.

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23. Personal Life?? -- Personal Stuff? - with regards to Rove, define personal

Rove is like Bush's "prisoners-geneva convention" (They don't apply)

[bertha katzenengel]

27. The same definition as applies to your personal life and mine. n/t

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31. The same as your personal life and mine? - respectfully disagree when

it comes to Karl Rove, Rove is definitly fair game, you know, like Valerie Plame...

[bertha katzenengel]

34. But why? I'm not being obtuse; I obviously don't get your point (and

others have made the point as well).

Because someone blasts out others' personal lives, that makes his own proper political fodder? I just don't agree. I can't agree. Do you want to know why? It isn't right. I am an atheist but I also believe in turning the other cheek. Doesn't apply in politics, you say? Gandhi seemed to think it did.

:shrug: That's my opinion. :hi:

[Binka]

7. Rove Has Made A Career Of Trashing Peoples Personal Lives

If there is trash to bring out about Rove and his family bring it on. He wrote the book or indeed plagiarized it so stick it to him in spades. Rove has a freaky fucking weird family tell the tale. Relevance? Who the fuck cares? SLAY the fucktard. He's asked for it.

[bertha katzenengel]

12. "Trash" includes a gay stepfather and a mother who committed suicide?

Who decides that that is trash? The same circumstances in a Democrat would evoke sympathy here.

Msongs made a good point: hypocrisy. Calling Rove's personal life "trash" is hypocrisy.

[Binka]

19. No Hypocrisy Rove Takes Personal History And Trashes It

If it is HIS personal history bring it to light and throw it in the trash like he does. The same circumstances in any other life would not warrant trashing but he has a history, indeed a life long calling of trashing people. Why not call him out the same way he has done countless others. Your sympathy here is most unfounded.

If Karl was the mailman with a complex past I would be completely forgiving, in fact I could care less what the fuck he does, but given his egregious and fucking malicious past I say BRING IT ON!

[roguevalley]

29. the child is father to the man. everything counts in knowing your enemy

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2. Abramoff?

[goclark]

3. Interesting to know about his family life

Maybe that explains why he is so cruel to others and jokes around under planes.

What a scum.

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28. to know about his family life? like knowing about McCain's black child

Bushco referred to...

[orpupilofnature57]

4. Think of itas more about prodding the Devil with a pitch fork. We Liberals

don't give a shit about policing or exposing people ,Kkkarl lives for it , get it?

[Binka]

9. KKKarl Pokes The Hive...Get Ready KKKarl To Get Stung

What goes around comes around you fat ugly bastard. No mercy for this fucking creep. NONE!

[orpupilofnature57]

13. I hear ya

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5. Rove isn't the norm... Rove is fair game...!

[Imagevision]

18. I dispise Rove for the swiftboaring he did to Max Cleland, nam vet

[orpupilofnature57]

22. Thats when I knew how low ShrubCo would go ,not to rhyme but their

Slime ,and Kkkarl is the Brain.

[madfloridian]

8. Here is a good write up about the book by James Henson.

From the Austin American Statesman. It sounds like a pretty serious picture of Rove and his role.

These are the guys who wrote Bush's Brain, and I think were responsible for The Architect about Rove on PBS in 2004.

http://www.statesman.com/life/content/life/stories/books/09/02/2rove.html

"In both books, Moore and Slater are careful to present evidence, but they make no bones about describing Rove as a man whose tactics range from the sophisticated use of up-to-the-minute campaign technology to the darker arts of rumor, innuendo, threats, stretched promises and the use of surrogates to maintain plausible deniability.

Much of what Moore and Slater write about will be familiar to anyone who follows politics in the daily papers. But they also cover ground that the mainstream news has tiptoed around, especially when it comes to the Republican Party's exploitation of anti-gay sentiment. "The Architect" dedicates two chapters to the touchier side of this subject.

Chapter 5, "Not as I Say: Gay in the GOP," discusses prominent conservatives who have been rumored to be gay and declined to confirm or deny the charge; particular attention is paid to Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman. The subject has already been grist for blogs and gay publications, but it has been handled gingerly and rarely in the mainstream media. Moore and Slater take care not to apply labels or draw clear conclusions, instead reporting on the reporting of others. They seem to conclude — reasonably, I think — that because Republicans have made gay identity a national issue, reporting such ambiguity is fair.

In Chapter 9, "A Few Simple Questions: What's in Karl's Closet?," the authors draw on interviews with gay acquaintances of Rove's stepfather, Louis Rove, as well as an interview with a circumspect Karl Rove, to reveal that Louis was openly gay after getting divorced from Rove's mother. The chapter jabs hard at Rove, pointing out that Louis Rove, who was clearly Rove's primary father figure, died in Palm Springs just as "his son was in the midst of launching the antigay issues campaign that was to lead to the re-election of George W. Bush."

[Binka]

17. Poor Karl Sad Git

Life is hard Karl but if you go about shitting on others over their misfortunes do not be surprised when they SHIT on you over yours. Book of life chapter 1. Read the rest Karl you might grow up a bit.

[cally]

10. I'm angry at Rawstory about this

Furious. Much of this book is incendiary. There is endless revelations about the Republicans using the Christian fascists to become the dominant political party. But Rawstory leads with letting us know that Rove's stepfather was gay. OK. That merits a footnote or maybe a few paragraphs in a book but it is not the most important revelations in this book. I don't care if he was gay, what I do care about is that they created an all too powerful lock on our government and they ignore global warming and make war.

[madfloridian]

14. The GOP has hurt so many good people using the anti-gay theme.

Maybe it's not so bad they are being shown for what they may be.

Read this from what I posted above.

"Chapter 5, "Not as I Say: Gay in the GOP," discusses prominent conservatives who have been rumored to be gay and declined to confirm or deny the charge; particular attention is paid to Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman. The subject has already been grist for blogs and gay publications, but it has been handled gingerly and rarely in the mainstream media. Moore and Slater take care not to apply labels or draw clear conclusions, instead reporting on the reporting of others. They seem to conclude — reasonably, I think — that because Republicans have made gay identity a national issue, reporting such ambiguity is fair. "

[orpupilofnature57]

16. It's a member of the Nazi high command finding out he's a Jew .

[Binka]

24. Hey Cally They Made War And Ignore Global Warming Because

They sold ignorant voters on gays. You might not care if he was gay but guess what? Lots of stupid people do. They did not get where the are talking about issues, Rove made a career talking about queers. Demeaning them, condescending them, demoralizing them. Time for him to take a punch in the face I say.

He fucking brought the issue to the front page make him EAT SHIT.

[badgerpup]

11. Twisted, bitter, angry man

Plus he's got a brain.
Explains a lot.
If I didn't hate so much of what he and his cabal have brought into being I could almost feel sorry for him.
Almost.
:nopity:

[orpupilofnature57]

21. I feel sorry for sociopaths ,But I wouldn't let them babysit my President

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20. Ken Mehlman:You have asked a question people shouldn’t have to answer

responding to a reporter asking if he is gay, Mehlman added that his sexual orientation, whatever it is, “changes nothing” as to how the party will operate under his leadership.

[madfloridian]

25. If Mehlman's life is no one's business, the same holds true for others.

And since he is chairman of the party that is using an agenda that is hurting people, he should not complain when he is asked such things.

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26. Gay-Schmay, it boils down to fighting garbage with garbage especially

with the likes of Coulter out there... it get's old quickly trying to reach across to repugs while getting sound bites in back return.

[orpupilofnature57]

30. Let them eat Freedumb Fries !

[madfloridian]

33. Yep, I agree. I have no qualms about anything said about Rove.

We have played nice too long.

[goclark]

35. I agree, especially when he pushes issues

that are so mean and evil.
He is fair game as far as I'm concerned.

He is playing ball in the big leagues and he never holds back on others.

[AZBlue]

32. "A self-admitted agnostic" is much more powerful stuff than a gay father

First of all, who cares if his father was gay? So now we're homophobic here??

Secondly, as the spokesperson/puppet master for the "President that God Speaks To," being an agnostic is pretty embarassing. Could really be used to poke a hole in their supposed religious standing.