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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 03:00 PM
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Blitz: WaPo's 7,000-word aticle on McCain repeats debunked Kerry rumor
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 03:02 PM by ProSense

The McCain Makeover

Does the veteran Republican rebel really mean all those nice things he's saying about George W. Bush?
By Glenn Frankel
Sunday, August 27, 2006; W12

To succeed, McCain must perform the old political two-step: Capture conservative Republican loyalists who dominate the party's nominating process; then, once nominated, swing back to the center to attract independents and moderate Democrats. It's an especially tricky task for a politician who has always cast himself as a man of unvarnished principles and straight talk.

McCain concedes he's being more careful with his rhetoric and off-the-cuff comments. Which is why he looked so uncomfortable with Jon Stewart: "I don't want to say anything that I'm going to be hearing about for the next couple of years."

Otherwise, he insists, nothing's changed -- except perhaps the perceptions of some analysts. "Some on the liberal side say, 'Ah, McCain's not the maverick that we thought he was. Oh my God, he supports the war in Iraq! How could he!' And some of my friends on the right say, 'Well, he voted against the marriage amendment,'" which would ban gay marriage.

In many ways, he's still the same sly, sardonic and self-deprecatory candidate who charmed the press and a surprisingly large segment of the public in 2000, the quixotic reformer whom political columnist Joe Klein described as "a man on a white horse attempting to traverse a muddy field."

Snip...

Upon his return, he was surprised to discover that rather than condemning him to oblivion, the defeat had enhanced his national stature and name recognition. He increasingly became the go-to senator for television commentators on foreign affairs and military policy. After the 9/11 attacks, McCain seemed to pop up even more often on news shows, offering words of comfort and determination. He became so popular with independents and many Democrats that Democratic nominee John Kerry tried to persuade him in 2004 to become his vice presidential running mate.

more...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/23/AR2006082301586_pf.html



Would that be the makeover between last Tuesday and Friday?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2797917&mesg_id=2797917

It's known that the rumored offer of a VP slot was started by McCain, and he has already denied that it happened (of course after the fact).

Snip...

Through a remarkable orchestration of behind-the-scenes politicking, John McCain's advisors thrust him in the middle of the John Kerry Vice Presidential selection process - the McCain as VP rumors started not in the Kerry camp but in the McCain camp.

By elevating his status among Independents and Democrats, John McCain dramatically increased his appeal and political power. In fact, McCain currently outpolls some potential Democratic 2008 candidates among DEMOCRATS.

The possibility of McCain running as John Kerry's Vice President forced Rove to deal with McCain. Because with the pending launch of the Swift Boat veterans teed up, Rove simply couldn't let Kerry pick McCain. Two veterans, running together, unifying the country in a time of war would have been virtually unbeatable.

But would McCain have really switched and joined Kerry? The White House couldn't afford to wait to find out. Was a true deal struck? Was McCain promised the power of running as an incumbent Vice President in 2008? Few know for sure and I certainly am not one of them.

But when I saw John McCain embrace George Bush 2004, not just support him, but passionately embrace him, I wondered how he could do it.

When I saw a conservative magazine bring more attention to the rumors of a potential Dick Cheney departure, I wondered some more.

And if Dick Cheney leaves, and John McCain becomes Vice President, wonder no more.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-boyce/vice-president-john-mccai_b_16678.html



Here is his March '04 "flirtation" with the idea:

McCain's rhetorical flirtation with the idea of becoming Sen. John Kerry's running mate is just the latest act in an ongoing intramural psychodrama that began in 1999, and no amount of common geostrategic purpose in the post-9/11 world can end it. He is a proud man, a fierce fighter with an ego to match the pride and ferocity. He wanted the Republican nomination in 2000, wanted it badly, and raged against what he saw as a system rigged against him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4506988



Here is Biden a few days later fanning the rumor:

Biden endorses
a fusion ticket:
Kerry-McCain
Democrat's 'Hardball' comments likely to fuel new speculation
By Mike Stuckey
MSNBC.com Politics Editor
Updated: 1:06 a.m. ET March 17, 2004

One of the presidential nominating season's most unusual ideas was proposed again Tuesday, this time by one of the most powerful Democrats in Congress, when Sen. Joseph Biden advocated a "unity" ticket of Democratic Sen. John Kerry and Republican Sen. John McCain.

Biden made his comments on MSNBC TV's "Hardball" when moderator Chris Matthews asked him: "Do you think McCain is seriously — and I mean this professionally — flirting with the idea of accepting a second place on the ticket with John Kerry, and creating a fusion ticket to run against the president?"

Replied Biden: "I think that this is time for unity in this country, and maybe it is time to have a guy like John McCain — a Republican — on the ticket with a guy he does like. They do get along. And they don't have fundamental disagreements on major policies."

The red and the blue

When asked by Matthews if he would support such a ticket, Biden said, "I would. Yeah, if John Kerry said that's who he wanted, and McCain — I'd encourage McCain to say yes. I doubt whether John would do it. I doubt whether John McCain would do it. But, you know, we need some unity here, man. The red states and the blue states — we've got to have something to coalesce around here."

The notion that a lifelong Republican like McCain would join the Democratic ticket is widely dismissed by many Washington observers, but McCain himself fanned the flames when he said last week on an ABC News show that he would "entertain" joining Kerry on the Democratic ticket.

"John Kerry is a close friend of mine. We have been friends for years," McCain said on "Good Morning America" on Wednesday. "Obviously I would entertain it."

more...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542473



Here's McCain is in June '04 denying it ever happened:

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who has been asked for months whether he would join the Kerry ticket, said Wednesday he has never been offered the job of Kerry’s running mate and would not accept such a position. He declined to comment on whether he and Kerry had discussed a unity ticket. The Associated Press reported that discussions ended last week with McCain rejecting Kerry’s request to consider being his running mate.

“I’m not going to talk about private conversations I’ve had with senators. I’m just not going to do that. But I was never offered that,” McCain said. The Arizona Republican said he will campaign for Bush’s re-election.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5225039


So WaPo has included a debunked rumor as fact.

Welcome to the media's McCain is a great moderate guy blitz.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 03:13 PM
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 03:24 PM
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4. Only a Republican would vote for McCain.
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:10 PM
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7. You don't think
he'll get ANY independant votes?

Got any money you'd like to wager? }(
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:14 PM
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8. I was actually poking at a troll.
He's since been tombstoned.

But yes, you're right. I'm sure some Indies will vote for McCain.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:28 PM
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10. Wow! That was fast - still in single digits and tombstoned.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:30 PM
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11. Joined today.
Won't repeat what alerted me to them.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 03:32 PM
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5. McCain is a disgusting, mean spirited, lying POS.
I can't think of a worse person to get the nomination.
I would rather see Giuliani, and I think he's a disingenuous asshole.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 03:46 PM
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6. That was probably
McCain. He's gone!
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:20 PM
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9. Nah, Rove's physician.
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 04:21 PM by globalvillage
The screen name was too obvious.
Wonder if he's been able to extract his head from his ass yet?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:41 PM
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12. You're right!
Duh!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 03:13 PM
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2. Sad when the media begins to believe its own made up stories.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:14 PM
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19. Right. They push a made up story then quote the lie in all future articles
As if a PRINTED LIE makes it any more factual.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 03:14 PM
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3. McCain scares me.
All of this dancing around contradicts the very thing that got him through imprisonment and torture, being steadfast. Being steadfast has many negative, and positive, synonyms. Which one we get at any given moment is toooooo much of a gamble under the circumstances, which are gathering darkness, AND he's getting old, which will aggravate the factors.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 09:52 AM
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18. Good point about McCain losing his former steadfast character.
McCain doesn't scare me, at all. A good debater who knows McCain inside and out can twist him into a knot within 15 minutes.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:25 PM
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20. Do we know of any phenomenal debator,
maybe a star Yale debator in his youth, who kept McCain from exploding when they were on a committee together years ago?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 04:17 PM
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21. True that - McCain even said in his book he couldn't have gotten thru the
Vietnam normalization task without Kerry who kept him from a breakdown. Kerry knows McCain's weak points and after what McCain did in 2004, I doubt Kerry would spare his once-friend a raking over the coal.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:43 PM
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13. The Post is spreading propaganda again!
Well, I'll be!

What a joke that paper has become.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:44 PM
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14. McCain was never offered and got pissed
And that's why he played kissy-face with Bush. I bet the whole VP spot was pushed by him and Biden, and who knows who else, McCain himself says an offer didn't come from Kerry. When JK didn't even offer, McCain got mad and decided to retaliate by jumping full-on with the Bushies.

That's what I bet happened.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:46 PM
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15. McCain LIED ON THIS so he could manipulate Bush campaign to kiss his ass
and manipulate the PUBLIC PERCEPTION through a complicit media pushing the idea that McCain is a centrist and a unifying presence - all about 2008 with NO REGARD to what was best for the country in 2004.

McCain is a LIAR - and a MANIPULATOR of the media and the American people. You have to loathe America to manipulate its citizens.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:54 PM
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16. Notice how it's stated: "tried to persuade,"
as if this was an actual offer and McCain was the number one choice, but turned it down!

Manipulative bastards!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:16 PM
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17. I'd like to see Mccain have to admit the story wasn't true in the debates
right in front of Kerry and the American people.
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