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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:19 PM
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From Welfare To Poverty
On the tenth anniversary of the signing of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act—commonly known as "welfare reform." -- Bill Clinton wrote a NYT Op-Ed to highlight the anniversary:

How We Ended Welfare, Together
By BILL CLINTON
Published: August 22, 2006

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22/opinion/22clinton.html?_r=2&th&emc=th&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Never having been a fan of that chapter of the Clinton legacy, I wrote a rebuttal for my DU Journal:

In Direct Rebuttal to President Clinton's NYT Op-Ed:
Posted by Totally Committed in General Discussion: Politics
Tue Aug 22nd 2006, 08:12 AM

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Totally%20Committed/5

Ten years after welfare reform, most former recipients still live in poverty. It doesn't have to be this way. I'd like to add the following blog entry from Tom Paine for all of you to consider.:

From Welfare To Poverty
Randy Albelda and Heather Boushey
August 23, 2006

This week marks the 10th anniversary of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act—commonly known as "welfare reform." The much hailed legislation abolished a cornerstone of the New Deal known as the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program which was criticized for discouraging work. But 10 years later, we know that the program Congress put in its place—Temporary Assistance to Needy Families— encouraged work, but many remain in poverty and struggle to make ends meet.

Since welfare reform was passed, poor women have moved into jobs in record numbers. In 1996, more than half (54 percent) of low-income mothers with children under 6 years old were in the labor force. By 2002, that share jumped to over two-thirds (67 percent). But, the workplace has not adapted to the needs of the millions of new working single mothers. Studies of people leaving welfare consistently find that the wages of those leaving welfare average between $7 and $8 per hour , which are above the minimum wage but leave families close to or even below the poverty threshold. Further, most people found jobs that do not offer the kinds of benefits middle- and upper-class workers take for granted. Only about half of those leaving welfare report having employer-sponsored health insurance and no more than half had paid sick leave or pension coverage. Most do not have access to paid maternity/paternity or family leave and many do not even have access to unpaid leave. In short, welfare reform was effective in getting more mothers to work, but not at making jobs work for low-wage mothers.

And, don’t be fooled by the higher employment numbers into thinking that welfare reform eliminated poverty. Around the time of welfare reform’s passage, Congress increased some of the benefits of working—raising the minimum wage and expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit in 1996, and creating the Child Health Insurance Program in 1997. Yet it has not significantly expanded benefits in recent years. Rather, as states struggled to balance their budgets in the early 2000s, many work-support programs have been cut. Meanwhile, the real value of the minimum wage is lower today than it was when welfare reform passed, and so far Congress has resisted raising it at every turn.

By definition, welfare recipients are virtually all single-parent families and they now face the same problems faced by millions of low-income working families: not enough time and not enough income. For working parents, gainful employment requires not only a good job, but also reliable child care. While the wages of most parents leaving welfare are relatively low, child care costs remain high—more expensive than attending the state university in most states—and subsidized slots continue to be elusive. For many families, moving to work has meant become “working poor,” rather than “welfare poor.” Work supports are available for some low-income workers, but evidence indicates that the percentage of eligible families receiving food stamps, earned income tax credits, housing assistance or child care vouchers is quite small relative to the need. Those lucky enough to access work supports find that they often phase out too rapidly, as each rise in income reduces benefit levels. Thus, employment creates the “running in place” dilemma: Every additional dollar earned means close to a dollar lost in benefits.

And, those finding jobs are the lucky ones. While the poverty rate has fallen dramatically since 1996, welfare caseloads have fallen even more. Between 1996 and 2004 , the poverty rate for single mothers fell from 42 to 36 percent, a 14.3 percent decline, but the percentage of families using welfare fell by close to 60 percent, meaning that far fewer poor families are being served by welfare. Families who face enormous barriers to employment still need cash assistance, especially when family circumstances preclude a single parent from holding any job or a full-time job.
Nobody liked the old welfare system. It provided disincentives to employment, treated people poorly, and didn’t provide enough income to support a family. But, the current system isn’t working very well, either. Too many families struggle too hard in a country that has enormous wealth. Ten years later, many low-income working families are wondering when we will insist that work should work for families—that jobs pay enough to afford the basics, that they come with health care and access to paid sick leave, and that every parent has access to safe, affordable and enriching child care for their children while they’re at work.

Randy Albelda is a professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts Boston. Heather Boushey is a senior economist at the Center for Economic and Policy Research.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/08/23/from_welfare_to_poverty.php

In my humble opinion, this is no anniversary we should be celebrating!

TC
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:25 PM
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1. Thank you so very much!!
I get so tired of Clinton cheerleading that takes NO ACCOUNT of what happened to the people Clinton so conveniently got rid of!! Isn't it possible to generally like the man, and still realize that he harmed some people???!!!! And, further, to care about those people, and find out what can be done to help them???!!!

One thing that I never hear anyone talk about is that there was NO provision for tracking those who were taken off the rolls. So, they "celebrate" the smaller rolls, but NOBODY has a clue what happened to these people!

How many of them are now homeless who weren't homeless before??

How many of them are no longer breathing???

Does it matter to us??

"In my humble opinion, this is no anniversary we should be celebrating!"

ABSO-f'ing-LUTELY!!!

Thanks so much! Your words mean more to me than you can know. (And, yes, I know there will be attacks from the truebelievers...)
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:09 PM
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9. From welfare to poverty.
I am sorry to say that although I think Bill Clinton is the best President this country ever had, I think that he folded on welfare reform (and for not the most noble of reasons). And although I see evidence that the era of tit for tat, back and forth, party against party, is coming to an end, I have been looking for a phrase to encapsulate my feelings on the subject. You have hit is exactly. Just because you say something doesn't exist, doesn't mean it is so, esp. in the case of poverty.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:28 PM
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2. This is one of the two big reasons I am not a fan of BC.
This and Globalization. Welfare Reform and NAFTA screwed everyone except for the wealthy.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:30 PM
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3. Family values? What family values?
Edited on Fri Aug-25-06 12:30 PM by redqueen
Forcing single mothers to work when quality child care is so hard to find/afford is pathetic.


Thank you for posting this... K&R!
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 01:30 PM
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4. So they went to work for $250.00 per week
and paid $200.00 per week for child care !
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:01 PM
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5. But, they weren't on Welfare anymore!
Edited on Fri Aug-25-06 02:06 PM by Totally Committed
That's wasn't "Reform" of anything, it was betrayal.

TC
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:05 PM
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7. Betrayal, Indeed!
Not to mention, abandonment!

"Wadda country." Yakov Smirnoff.

You're right... it's "deform"

Thanks for your words... I wish we could get this turned around, however, I don't think even the Dems are willing to stick their necks out for poor folk.

:cry: We need Bobby Kennedy! :cry:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:05 PM
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6. Although it is true Clinton
"lifted more boats" than the Republicans, not many politicians understand the human condition of poverty. It reared its ugly head during Katrina. While the Rs spun themselves silly trying to paint the victims as being on welfare, the sad truth is most were employed in low-paying jobs, working their tails off to be no better off than on welfare. Single mothers are desperate to afford childcare, with incidences of children being left home alone or, worse, in cars so their parent(s) can fulfill their work commitment.

Although Bubba thinks he did a good thing, he did not, and it led to things being much, much worse. I can pinpoint this to being precisely DLC-inspired where good intentions do not equal good deeds. Having raised two kids on my own and being blessed with being able to work at home, I realize if I had to pay for childcare our lives would have been very different.

But, as always, I will not throw the baby out with the bath water. While Clinton did some bonehead things, overall life was better for most when he was president and I think we can agree better than life under this regime; i.e., this regime has directed the IRS to investigate those claiming the Earned Income Credit at the same time closing down investigation of those cheating on the inheritance tax.

In other words, I can acknowledge Bill Clinton's failures and still see the good he accomplished.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:07 PM
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8. "Bubba thinks he did a good thing"
And.. says now that his only mistake was that "welfare reform" should have been the *first* thing he did! So much compassion. :mad:

You can overlook it because it didn't affect you directly. Many of us are not so fortunate!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:12 PM
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10. I didn't overlook it all
and, in fact, worked in my community offering blocks of free childcare time for low income people.

But thanks for the personal attack anyway.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:17 PM
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11. There is no excuse, in the richest country on earth, for the poverty
that still exists. None. Why not tax repform that makes sure the rich pay their share? Why start out by APPEASING the Republican Party with this shameful Welfare "Reform" for which they paid him with three years of endless investigations and impeachement hearings? WHY is this seen as a reform we should celebrate?

Abandonment sure IS what it is!

TC
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:22 PM
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12. Why, indeed? You raise excellent questions!
Exactly what should have been done. Are you running for office? :hi:

The fact that so many Dems now think that what Clinton did is just great makes poor folk like me have little trust in Dems.

It's time for more to speak out like you have, and befriend poor folk, and bring them back into the party. They've been abandoned, and in the words of another poster, betrayed, so we can't take their votes for granted!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:31 PM
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13. it's unfortunate
Edited on Fri Aug-25-06 02:39 PM by AtomicKitten
that you don't respond to what was actually written but instead put up a strawman so you can burn it down.

I acknowledged Clinton's welfare reform as a humanitarian failure, acknowledged he had other failures as president, but the fact that I won't pick up a torch and pitchfork and demand his head on a spike just doesn't pass muster with some here at DU.

Feh.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:42 PM
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14. I think it was a humanitarian failure (disaster, actually), too, AK...
Edited on Fri Aug-25-06 02:44 PM by Totally Committed
But, I also don't have a pitchfork or a torch whilst demanding Clinton's head on a spike. I just don't think there should be blind adoration for him, either. He pulled some real (if you'll pardon the pun...) boners where people got really screwed, and I am not talking about his sexual peckadillos, either.

What I was responding to with this post was the proud crowing on the 10th Anniversary of a Bill that hurt more people than it helped. And it made a lot more Republicans happy than it did Democrats.

The reason Clinton is hailed as the "great" president he is by so many is because we are experiencing the WORST President EVER and the juxtiposition of the two makes him look like a saint. He wasn't. He was an okay President who was arguably the best public speaker who ever held that office. He had an empathy where he made people believe he "felt their pain" when he obviously didn't. He was good at it. Bush is not. People remember his time in office so wistfully because everyone who makes under a million a year now feels a real pinch. If Bush were not the unmitigated disaster he turned out to be, Clinton would be seen more realistically by the Democratic Party.

TC
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:58 PM
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15. Well-done! n/t
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 03:05 PM
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16. As someone who was on welfare way back in the 80s - I agree and disagree
this is such a complex issue. I believe some form of welfare reform was in order to address the career welfare recipients who need to be prodded a bit to make a change. However, there are some truly in need, or who are trying, that need more assistance to get over the hump.

Are the issues here more a failure of the reform Clinton passed or a failure of our country in general to assist those who need health care etc. at this time? A huge issue is the loss of jobs during *'s reign - entry level jobs are harder to find in general. Things definitely aren't easier for the poor under this Administration when it comes to opportunities like they were back in the Clinton era when jobs were more plentiful.

Like I said - this is a very complex issue with so many factors that affect an outcome. The will of the able bodied recipient cannot be ignored either - but those few who abuse the system should not mean people really trying need to be punished along with them.





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