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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:03 PM
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Alexandra Walker: "What Reich Gets Wrong", a Rebuttal
A few days ago, I posted an article by Robert Reich "Dems: Yield Not To Temptation" from Tom Paine.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Totally%20Committed/6

I asked DU-ers if they agreed or disagreed with the premise of his article', which is summed up in this excerpt:

You’ll be sorely tempted to showcase the Bush administration in all its lurid awfulness. Imagine an endless parade of witnesses offering shocking details of Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, torture camps, payoffs to Halliburton, Defense Department usurpations, Iraq’s descent into civil war, and other cover-ups, deceptions, data manipulations, suppressions of science, crass incompetencies, and outright corruption. Out of all of these hearings would come a bill of particulars so damning that every 2008 Democratic candidate running for everything from Indianapolis City Council to president will be swept into office on a riptide of public outrage. After all, didn’t House Republicans during the Clinton years wreak all the damage they could even when there wasn’t much to complain about? Recall Dan Burton, the Indiana Republican who, while chairman of the House Government Reform Committee, issued truckloads of White House subpoenas along with a sulphurous geyser of unsupported accusations. Why shouldn’t Henry Waxman, who will fill the same shoes, give as good as the Clinton White House got? Imagine how John Dingell, who will run the House Energy and Commerce Committee, could expose the intimacies between the Bushies and Big Oil; what John Conyers, in command of the House Judiciary Committee, could reveal about Bush’s trouncing of Americans’ civil liberties; or the job Barney Frank, at Financial Services, could do on the administration’s nefarious links to Wall Street. Hell, why not try to impeach Bush?

Warning: Resist all such temptation. You won’t be credible. The public would see the investigations and hearings as partisan wrangling. They might even cause the public to question what it already knows, allowing Republicans to argue it was all conjured up by partisan zealots from the start.... You won’t get any new information anyway. Your subpoena power would have no effect on this White House. You’d end up fighting in federal courts for the whole two years. Besides, there’s enough dirt out there already to sink any administration. Although cowed at the start of the administration, the mainstream media have done a fairly good job since. Moreover, Bush is the wrong target. His popularity could hardly be lower than it is already, which means 2008 Republican candidates in all but the reddest of red states will distance themselves from this White House. Sen. John McCain, should he be the Republican nominee, won’t be tarnished by Bush at all because in the public’s mind McCain is a maverick and independent. He’ll remain above the partisan mud-throwing while you’d just mire Democrats in it.

>snip

Here’s a better way to go. Use the two years instead to lay the groundwork for a new Democratic agenda. Bring in expert witnesses. Put new ideas on the table. Frame the central issues boldly. Don’t get caught up in arid policy-wonkdom.


I got some that disagreed with Reich completely, and a lot tat thought a two-pronged approach would be better, but I only got maybe one or two that agreed with him.

This morning, Paine posted a really good rebuttal from Alexandra Walker at Alternet:

What Reich Gets Wrong

One of my favorite writers at Alternet, Josh Holland, does a handy job of explaining why Robert Reich was off-base in his latest piece of advice to Democrats, published earlier this weekon TomPaine.com. In it, Reich urges Democrats to "resist" the temptation to use their increased power on the Hill after the midterm elections for launching investigations and hearings into the Bush administration on any number of issues. As laudable and as justified as such investigations might be, says Reich, they'll have no traction because they'll be perceived as merely partisan attacks. Holland argues, and I agree, that Reich is wrong in framing the Democrats' options as an either/or proposition.

As usual, Reich gives good counsel when he tells Democrats to use the last two years of the Bush presidency to tighten their focus on developing a "bold agenda:"

Here’s a better way to go. Use the two years instead to lay the groundwork for a new Democratic agenda. Bring in expert witnesses. Put new ideas on the table. Frame the central issues boldly. Don’t get caught up in arid policy-wonkdom.

For example, instead of framing basic economic questions as whether to roll back Bush’s tax cuts, make it about how to recreate good jobs at good wages and rebuild the middle class. Consider ideas for doing this through trade policy, industrial policy, antitrust, publicly financed research and development, and stronger trade unions.

Instead of framing the central foreign-policy question as whether we should have invaded Iraq, make it how to partition Iraq into Shiite, Sunni, and Kurdish zones while America gets out. Focus the national-security debate on how to control loose nukes and fissile material, and secure American ports. Encourage direct negotiations with North Korea and Iran. On energy and the environment, offer ideas for developing new non–fossil-based energy industries in America, and how to ratify a realistic Kyoto accord.

Help the public understand how these are all related—why, for example, we’ll never have a sane foreign policy unless we reduce our dependence on oil. And most important, be positive.


But who says you can't advance a bold agenda that addresses the pressing challenges facing this nation and hold the Bush administration accountable for its disregard of the rule of law? There may be partisan points to be scored for holding official hearings attacking the Bush administration, but more importantly, there are serious public interest matters to be served by public hearings, specifically hearings on the Bush administration's conduct in its "war on terror." And here I'll turn it over to Josh to develop the rationale:

He's right that appearing overzealous in going after the Bushies may incur a political cost that is too high, but he's wrong to suggest that the issues that a Democratic Congress might investigate are in any way equivalent to the Republicans' obsessive attacks on the Clinton White House.

There are serious charges against this White House -- charges that go way beyond lying us into a war -- that need to be addressed, and Reich is dangerously close to suggesting that issues like circumventing the 1978 FISA law or international and domestic bans on torture are a matter of ideological or partisan preference not fundamental questions about the rule of law or the separation of powers -- he's saying: "vote for us and we won't choose to spy on you." They have, indeed, become partisan fights, but they never should have been.

Reich might have urged Democrats to pick their fights carefully, and I would have agreed. But at the end of the day, either you're for accountability or you're not. Saying we should let bygones be bygones and look forward is taking a stand against holding officials to account for their actions. We're supposed to be a nation of laws, not men, right?

It's also wrong to argue that Congressional investigations would have little impact because "there's enough dirt out there already to sink any administration." Controlling the Congressional agenda is a way of influencing what is emphasized in our political discourse. Yes, the media has covered Democratic reports of corruption or lying to Congress, but it's done so on page A22. When John Conyers held hearings on the trumped up rationale for the Iraq war, he did so in a crappy, overcrowded hearing room given to him by the Republicans who controlled the House, and that earned him only a typically sneering Dana Milbank column in the Washington Post ("In the Capitol basement yesterday, long-suffering House Democrats took a trip to the land of make-believe"). Yeah, the issues raised there were covered, technically, but never became part of the mainstream national discussion.

There's a lot more I could say about the assumptions that support Reich's piece, but let me just add that he's presenting us with a false dichotomy. Yes, we need representatives who will offer a bold new agenda, but I don't see how you get there without shining a bright light on how we got where we are now in the first place. Reich is correct that Bush shouldn't be the primary target; the big bull's-eye should be on the conservative project itself, and that means laying bare its framework -- the money, the communications, the politicians … everything (including its Democratic allies).

Without that, Reich's "bold agenda" will be limiting to tinkering around the edges, which is what the Clintonistas always endorse -- probably because of their abiding belief that the Clinton years represented some kind of ideal period in American governance. Until they get that a "bold agenda" means just that, millions of progressives will continue to see the Dems as no more than a bandage, a way to stop the bleeding, and not credible agents of change.


--Alexandra Walker | Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:10 AM

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/08/24/what_reich_gets_wrong.php

I thought, since so many had either disagreed with Reich, or thought a two-proged approach was the answer, that I'd publish the rebuttal blog-entry here for you to see.

I though this said it all:

Without that, Reich's "bold agenda" will be limiting to tinkering around the edges, which is what the Clintonistas always endorse -- probably because of their abiding belief that the Clinton years represented some kind of ideal period in American governance. Until they get that a "bold agenda" means just that, millions of progressives will continue to see the Dems as no more than a bandage, a way to stop the bleeding, and not credible agents of change.


What do you think?

TC
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keta11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:06 PM
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1. Do not count the chickens before
Edited on Fri Aug-25-06 12:22 PM by keta11
they are hatched!!!

As much as I want the fool Dumbya impeached by a new Democratic-led Congress, I dont know if I want them to inherit mess he has created over the 6 years.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:13 PM
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2. My cent and a'half.
I think, that if in fact the Dems manage to get both the senate and the congress, that it will be a matter of months before the rove, cheney, b*sh criminals pull something so outrageous that we will have no choice but to impeach.

If the dems get the senate OR the congress then I am afraid that I see more benefit in riding it out and laying the groundwork as Reich suggests. But I certainly do not think that "tinkering around the edges" is what Reich wants - well it may be what Reich wants. I want to see the dems start to reverse b*sh policy and get some work done. Accelerate the Plame case. Give Fitzpatrick some room to work. Look into all that lost money in Iraq. Hell - begin plans for getting OUT of Iraq and rebuilding the military.

There is a lot to do.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:18 PM
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3. We can't address the problems Bushco have caused, without
getting rid of the people who caused the problems. Serious investigations and impeachments are absolutely necessary not only to achieve legal and moral justice, but to enable real work on the cleanup. Bushco will continue to cause America terrible harm as long as they are in power. They have repeatedly and explicitly promised that as long as Bush is "President" we will be wiretapped, we will be in Iraq, and the tax cuts for the rich will grow.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:19 PM
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4. its starting already
i knew this would happen and that it would come from the clintonites, "oh we need to move on " we need to heal the country" "it would appear partisan" what crap.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:22 PM
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5. That was my first reaction when I saw it, too....
I hope you'll read the original article. I was amazed he felt we should just skip over everything.

TC
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 01:06 PM
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7. i predicted this shit would happen
blah blah blah unity blah blah blah heal the country blah blah BUSINESS AS USUAL:grr:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 07:06 PM
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18. Truly. It's crap. Either you're FOR accountability or you're NOT.
That is one solid-gold statement in the OP.

Either you're FOR accountability or you're NOT.

Also plays beautifully to all those rigid, limited, simplistic, small-minded "thinkers" who believe it's all or nothing, one way or the other, with us or agin' us, black or white, good or evil.

If you don't stand for something, you stand for NOTHING. And accountability in the face of those who seek to get away with murder (literally) is something well worth standing FOR.

Don't EVER forget, during campaign 2004, how many times bush said "you may not agree with me, but you know where I stand." People resonate to a strong stand, whatever it is, which they translate into strong leadership.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:47 PM
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6. don't they take an oath to uphold the Constitution?
i have no problem emphasizing bi-partisanship and cooperation ... the investigations should not be a witch hunt like we saw with Whitewater ... that was the epitome of witch hunting and it was disgraceful ...

but to turn away from an obligation to uphold the law and investigate possible high crimes and misdemeanors so as NOT to appear partisan is crazy ... by that standard, an opposition party should NEVER hold the current administration responsible for anything ...

the hearings should be fair; their objective should be to get to the truth ... they should NOT be exploited for political purposes even though they may be seen that way by some ... there's no question the republicans will try to paint them that way but that should not preclude justice from being served ...

we elect these people to protect our rights as citizens and convenient political excuses are not acceptable reasons to avoid doing their jobs ... even if there is a political cost, they have an obligation to seek the truth and to provide justice ...
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:11 PM
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12. Great post.
I agree. (Except fot he "bi-partisanship part. Bi-partisanship is dead, as far as I'm concerned.)

TC
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 01:19 PM
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8. I agree with Reich for the most part...
Investigations as the first order of business with a Democratic majority would not only be perceived as partisan by the public, but by Republicans in the Congress as well. Any chance of rolling back the horrible policies of the Bush years, which are gonna require some cooperation from Republicans, would be out the door.

Also, even if such investiagetions were started, there is no way they would be completed by the time Bush left office any way. Why not put them off until after he is out of the White House. May seem less partisan that way, and may get better cooperation on the investigations.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:05 PM
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9. That doesn't surprise me.
He does represent a faction of this Party with which you seem to identify. I would have been surprised if you DIDN'T agree with him.

I feel we need to come off the dime immediately with a bold and liberal legislative package AND staart following up on the information COnyers has dug up, and start hearings and investigations. How else will the AMerican people ever know what has happened?

TC
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:08 PM
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10. This won't do it...
It will be lost in a fog or partisan bickering...

Waiting until after the Bush term would be a better time...will be easier to get cooperation from witnesses, and can be done away from the work that needs to be done to dismantle the damage Bush has done.

Frankly, I would rather have a new Democratic Congress start off with raising the minimum wage, Putting together a real energy policy, and restoring our commitment to environmental stewardship, and repealing the Bush tax cuts..

All of these would be put into jeapordy in a Washington consumed with investigations that would be perceived as partisan..

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:10 PM
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11. I disagree. /eom
TC
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 04:41 PM
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13. whats wrong with partisan?
were the watergate investigations perceived as "too partisan"? this kind of talk is just laying the groundwork to do NOTHING about the crimes we have had to put up with since 2000 in favor of some namby pamby bs reconciliation with the republicans which only favors them. we need to put the knock out blow on them as soon as we get the power to do it.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 04:56 PM
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14. The Watergate hearings happened...
Because Republicans realized they had to happen...and in fact, it was a group of Republicans led by Barry Goldwater that ultimately convinced Nixon to resign...

Will not happen now in this atmosphere....

And sorry I think reversing Bush policies is more important at the start than starting impeachment proceedings. Mark my words, if that is the first thing Democrats do, it will seriously backfire on us.

Robert Reich is correct.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 05:10 PM
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15. set it all right again
so they can knock it down again in a few years. great plan
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 05:32 PM
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17. We set it right...
We will cement a majority...we immedietely start a round of investigation as our first priority...we could be out on our ass in two years.

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 05:20 PM
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16. Response Letter from TomPaine.com:
Rage Over Reich
Re: Dems Yield Not To Temptation

I'm of two minds about this (how typical of a Democratic voter, I suppose). Yes, I see why demanding a thorough investigation would seem like mere revenge and would distract from the very large task of turning around the policies that have been racing toward disaster in so many important domains of policy.

But much of what Bush and his allies have done is, to be blunt, criminal, and he and they need to be held accountable for it. We know that a Republican-controlled House and Senate have not done that and will not do it. If the Democrats don't do it, who will?

What's to stop the next arrogant demagogue from ripping up more of the Constitution if Bush isn't held accountable?

Paul Breslin

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/08/25/tempting_democrats_your_letters.php

TC
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 07:56 PM
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19. That's the point.
Working to set future course is important but will face vetoes anyway. The real story here is that a Fascist takeover of our Country and the destruction of our Constitution has been underway. This must be exposed and the Ship of State must be set right. It must be a renewal of the Revolution that installed our government and instilled our Constitution.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 08:19 PM
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20. Agree, if we let them get by with criminal behavior now
It gives them a free pass to do the same again and again in the future.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 10:59 PM
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21. Absolutely not. THEY - the ENTIRE REPUKE PARTY - must be held accountable
To do less is an INSULT to every american.

This is akin to the claims of some IDIOTS here to "support LIEberman and urge Lamont to drop out - for the good of the party" crap.

No way no how!

This is the "careful" approach thinking that cost Kerry and Gore the elections!

"Don't be too partisan".

"Don't be to nasty".

Well THOSE ideas sure "worked", didn't they!

Either you're for the rule op law, and you STAND FOR PRINCIPLES, or not.

It IS really that simple - black and white if you will.

STAND FOR SOMETHING, DAMMIT!

Be willing to FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT and to lose it all, godddamit!

No more DLC thinking, PLEASE!
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