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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:49 AM
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Anyone catch Bubba's op-ed in the NYT?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22/opinion/22clinton.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

How We Ended Welfare, Together

TEN years ago today I signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act. By then I had long been committed to welfare reform. As a governor, I oversaw a workfare experiment in Arkansas in 1980 and represented the National Governors Association in working with Congress and the Reagan administration to draft the welfare reform bill enacted in 1988.

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In the past decade, welfare rolls have dropped substantially, from 12.2 million in 1996 to 4.5 million today. At the same time, caseloads declined by 54 percent. Sixty percent of mothers who left welfare found work, far surpassing predictions of experts. Through the Welfare to Work Partnership, which my administration started to speed the transition to employment, more than 20,000 businesses hired 1.1 million former welfare recipients. Welfare reform has proved a great success, and I am grateful to the Democrats and Republicans who had the courage to work together to take bold action.

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The results: child poverty dropped to 16.2 percent in 2000, the lowest rate since 1979, and in 2000, the percentage of Americans on welfare reached its lowest level in four decades. Overall, 100 times as many people moved out of poverty and into the middle class during our eight years as in the previous 12. Of course the booming economy helped, but the empowerment policies made a big difference.

Regarding the politics of welfare reform, there is a great lesson to be learned, particularly in today’s hyper-partisan environment, where the Republican leadership forces bills through Congress without even a hint of bipartisanship. Simply put, welfare reform worked because we all worked together. The 1996 Welfare Act shows us how much we can achieve when both parties bring their best ideas to the negotiating table and focus on doing what is best for the country.

etc

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I have a thing or two to say about this but I'll wait and see if anyone else catches it first. Besides the usual hagiograpghy I wonder how many of us can exercize critical thinking and cut through the rhetoric.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:57 AM
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1. not all is well. I read an article on how the states have had to pick up
where the feds left off. Many who are enrolled in education programs will be dropped this fall cause Phase 11 sets in---the hours the people need for actuall work to recieve benefits has increased. Education as a means to get out of poverty is NOT acceptable (while low-paying jobs for the sake of working IS).
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:06 AM
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2. Sigh...can anyone imagine Bush writing an op-ed like this once he is...
...out of office (if he ever leaves)? No accomplishments for him to look back on, and not even any writing ability with which to describe them even if there were.
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:49 AM
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16. Actually I can.
It would be penned by AEI or Heritage and it would be similar in scope, points and achievements.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:19 AM
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3. i would love to read your comments on this...don't make us wait too
long.

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:29 AM
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4. Only if we "can exercize critical thinking and cut through the rhetoric"
:eyes:
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:59 AM
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18. And look beyond "sainthood"...

Gosh, with so many clues about how we're supposed to think, do you think we'll get it?

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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:02 AM
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19. For starters
statistics can be made to portray just about anything. Many of the "achievements" of Bubba's "legislation" are hollow - making it more difficult to obtain welfare fudge the figures to no end.

I like some of Bubba's POV, but when it comes to his actions with regards to government responsibilities and services he was wholly DLC/GOP. There have always been well-founded arguments against government inefficiency regarding any government programs but the question has been framed with ulterior motives in order to dismiss the CAPACITY or DESIREABLITY of government intervention... because of special interest.

The problem with welfare, social security or any other government program should not be a question of the propriety of governmental action - but of the efficiency of governmental management. The rw (and the DLC) have decided that it is not the role of government to look for the common weal and that a sort of social-Darwinistic anarchy would be the best alternative, despite centuries of contrary experience. Bubba's "self-help" programs are similar to those of Victorian Britain - and equally disasterous. The only way to see any positive results is by virtue of looking at them through new criteria.

Bubba points out purported benefits yet these are only perceivable through partial observations. Some partial "poverty" statistis seem better due to Bubba's legislation yet the more telling overall poverty stats show that things have NOT improved but gotten worse. This is due to a misinterpretation (ideologically-driven) that is common amongst the believers in the "third way".
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:31 AM
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5. oh boy...
child poverty is done?! In what country, Bill?

(I'll have more to add in just a bit.)
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:31 AM
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6. I'm picking up a couple of underlying themes in this op-ed.
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 06:41 AM by Arkansas Granny
Seems to me that he's emphasizing the fact that a lot more gets done when everyone works together, and he's right about that. The Republican controlled Congress has forced a stark division which has resulted in nothing getting done. They shut the Democrats out of important discussions and refuse to allow any compromise in legislation which has had a polarizing effect on the entire population. This has not been good for us as a country.

Another theme I picked up is making sure that everyone in America has the opportunity to make things better for themselves through education and job opportunities. So much has been done for the rich with the Bush administration that many lower income families are moving into poverty instead of moving forward.

Edit to add:

Here's a table I found that seems to bear out some of the points that Clinton was making. Notice the years and who was in office at the time that there were reductions or increases in the number of people living in poverty.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/poverty04/pov04fig04.pdf
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:00 AM
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8. On those point, I am in total agreement with you and Bill
thanks for the link.
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:04 AM
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20. It's easy to work together
when both parties share the same socioeconomic ideology.
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:53 AM
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7. Ok,
I have stated this umpteen times on the boards but it bears repeating once again, because it is crucial to any discussion on poverty.

The formula for determining "poverty" was created in the 60's and hasn't been changed since.

Back then, the highest cost of living to an average family of four was Food.

That is no longer the case and hasn't been for quite some time.

The formula is flawed because it does not, hasn't changed to reflect/take into account our current cost of living ie., the massive increases to housing over the past ten-fifteen yrs, among other factors.

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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:05 AM
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21. Good job
Glad to see someone see through the rhetorical smokescreen!
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:01 AM
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9. There are more families below the "official" poverty level today
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 07:05 AM by fasttense
then in 1996, when they reformed this program. They are patting themselves on the back for a poverty assistance program that resulted in more poor families. I hope they don't decide to "fix" anymore of these programs that are suppose to help poor families. I don't think America can take it.

The percent of people below the "official" poverty level was dropping since 1993 until... can you guess what year? You win, up until the year 2000, the percent of people and families below the official poverty level was dropping. In 2000, it started to rise again. Not until we got an all repuke legislative and executive government did we see a rise in the percent of people below the poverty level. We haven't seen this large a percent of people below the official poverty rate since 1998, when they enacted the reforms. That is based on 2004 numbers (the most recent statistics at the US Census Bureau). You can bet your bottom dollar that the 2006 numbers have shown no improvement.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/histpov/hstpov2.html

What are they going to congratulate themselves for next? Stopping global warming? Improving the cost of health care?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:56 AM
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17. Exactly !
It is not the great success it is built up to be...Many families became invisible and their lives became much more difficult. No doubt, it helped some get off welfare ...
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:12 AM
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10. In Direct Rebuttal to President Clinton's NYT Op-Ed:
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 07:16 AM by Totally Committed
How We Ended Welfare, Together
By BILL CLINTON
Published: August 22, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22/opinion/22clinton.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin


The following testimony was given before the Committee on Education and the Workforce of the U.S. House of Representitives on September 20, 2001. That was five years ago, before The Bush Administrations assault on not only the American COnstitution began, but also before the huge assault on the AMerican Economy began. Since then the burden of war has further crippled our economy in ways we never imagined. NAFTA and CAFTA began shipping a lot of our well-paying jobs off-shore leading to the virtual collapse of our tech sector. The minimum wage has not been raised from $5.15, nationally, in that time. I can't believe Pres. Clinton has the gall to tout one of the blackest days of his administration. Read this testimony, knowing things have only gone downhill since it was given, and tell me if this was a great day for our country or for the Clinton Administration:

The effects of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act on working families

by Heather Boushey of the Economic Policy Institute


Chairman Buck McKeon and Members of the Committee:

My name is Heather Boushey. I am an Economist at the Economic Policy Institute in Washington, D.C. It is a great privilege to be here today to discuss the effects of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act on working families.

There appear to be many positive developments since the passage of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act in August of 1996. Welfare caseloads have dropped substantially, from 5.5% of the total U.S. population in 1994 to 2.1% in June 2000. Many former welfare recipients have entered the workforce, and poverty has fallen among children overall from 1993 to 1999.

But these developments shroud many disturbing realities for millions of current and former welfare recipients. Most former welfare recipients are not working full-time or full-year. Most are earning between $6.00 and $8.00 per hour (Acs and Loprest 2001; Administration for Children and Families and Office of Planning Research and Evaluation 2000; Brauner and Loprest 1999; Freedman et al. 2000; Loprest 1999; Loprest 2001; Parrott 1998), a wage insufficient to enable them to provide for their families. And although the poverty rate has declined overall, it has increased among working families, particularly those headed by single mothers. For those families that were already poor, poverty in the last several years has deepened (Primus and Greenstein 2000).

In order to review all of the evidence available to us, we must first be clear about the stated goals of welfare reform and how we measure its success. Caseload reduction is not an adequate measure of success, nor is the proportion of former welfare recipients who are employed "at any time" after leaving welfare. We must look behind these numbers to see if how families fare after leaving welfare.

Welfare families are, by definition, mostly headed by single mothers. The criterion for evaluating welfare reform's success should be whether these mothers are able to find and maintain stable employment that pays enough for them to achieve a safe and decent standard of living for their families.


The strong economy caused caseload to fall, but not evenly

Welfare caseloads fell over the second half of the 1990s, but this was due in large part to the strong economy. Further, caseloads did not fall uniformly: big cities are now left with a larger share of welfare recipients.

The PRWORA was implemented during the longest boom in post-war history. Researchers have found that 40 to 80% of the fall in caseloads may be attributable to the boom, rather than the policy reforms. (See Council of Economic Advisors (1998); Wallace and Blank (1998); Ziliak, et al (1997) for a thorough review of this literature.) This has important implications for our thinking about TANF reauthorization as the US economy slides into recession. Strong labor demand played an important role in creating jobs for welfare recipients to move into; weakened labor demand in the future may make it more difficult for former welfare recipients to find or maintain employment.

Welfare caseloads are now increasingly concentrated in America's cities (Brookings Institution 1999). As of 1999, nearly 60% of all welfare cases were in 89 large urban counties that accounted for only 33% of the U.S. population. This is an increase of 10 percentage points since 1994. As a result, ten urban counties now account for roughly one-third of all U.S. welfare cases (Katz and Allen 2001).

The drop in welfare caseloads is also not uniform across states. Between 1993 and 1999, caseloads in Oklahoma, Florida, Colorado, West Virginia, Mississippi, Wisconsin, Idaho, and Wyoming fell by 70% or more. However, caseloads in New Mexico, Hawaii, Rhode Island, New York, Nebraska, Alaska, Vermont, California, and the District of Columbia fell by less than 40%, California and New York, which accounted for 17% and 9% of the nation's caseloads, respectively, in 1993, accounted for 22% and 12% of caseloads in 1999 (Administration for Children and Families and Office of Planning Research and Evaluation 2000).

The block grant structure implemented as a part of PRWORA may suit some states and communities better than it does others. As the distribution of welfare recipients becomes more concentrated, we must alter our allocation of funds accordingly.


Many (but not all) former welfare recipients are now working but few are escaping poverty

Across the country, between 40% and 70% of all former welfare recipients are working. Work has increased among welfare recipients and welfare leavers. In fiscal year 1994, only 8% of TANF adults were employed while receiving assistance. In fiscal year 1999, however, 28% were employed (Strawn, Greenberg, and Savner 2001). This is consistent with the fact that labor force participation has increased among single mothers (Blank and Schmidt 2000). Labor force participation increased by 9.6 percentage points among single mothers between 1989 and 2000, but increased much more slowly among married women. Further, women with a high-school degree increased their labor force participation by 6% over this period. Labor force participation remained relatively constant for higher-skilled women.

A single parent with two children needs about $30,000 to afford the basic necessities of life (Boushey et al. 2001). This is more than double the federal poverty line. Among former welfare recipients, however, mean earnings are only between $10,000 and $14,000 annually. This is often lower than the poverty line of $13,133 for a family of three of in 1998 (Strawn, Greenberg, and Savner 2001) (when most of these surveys tabulated their data) and well below the amount a family needs to purchase adequate housing, food, health care, child care, and other basic necessities.

Most of the research on what has happened to welfare leavers looks at leavers during the late 1990s. A few examples shows the limited range of results:

**** In New York City, a sample of 569 cases from 6,092 cases closed in November of 1997 yielded 126 cases with valid phone numbers. Of those 126 surveyed, 58% reported that they were supporting their families mainly through work. The median wage among respondents was $7.50 per hour. Thirty-seven percent of respondents had incomes above the poverty line.


**** In Maryland, a study using administrative data from government programs on welfare, child support, and unemployment insurance, found that 51% of former welfare recipients had positive earnings in the quarter after leaving welfare. Average wages for those working were $2,384 in the first quarter after leaving welfare and $2,439 in the second quarter, which annualizes to over $9,500, leaving the average family far below the poverty line.


**** In South Carolina, a study utilizing phone interviews and home visits for a randomly selected group of closed cases found that 65% were employed at the time of interview, earning an average hourly wage of $6.


**** In Washington state, a survey of those leaving TANF between April and August 1998 found that 71% of former recipients were employed with hourly wages averaging $8. Workers worked an average of 36 hours per week.


As former welfare women enter the labor market, the implicit hope of the PRWORA is that they will eventually climb the job ladder. From prior research, we know that wage profiles for less-educated workers remain stagnant, even if earnings profiles slope upward. Most studies find that wages increase between 1% and 2.6% per year for low-skilled workers (Burtless 1995; Card, Michalopoulos, and Robins 1999; Moffitt and Rangarajan 1989)2. Less-educated workers experience little wage growth while working for the same employer and only limited gains -- far less meaningful than for more-educated workers -- when moving to a new employer (Connolly and Gottschalk 2000). Substantial proportions of workers actually experience real declines in wages while working for the same employer or after moving to a new employer (Gottschalk 2000).


Poverty and hardships have not been reduced among the kinds of families most affected by welfare reform

Recent data show that poverty has declined overall, although it has deepened for those who remain poor and has increased among "working families." Most former welfare recipients do not earn wages that lift them above the poverty line: only 29% of those with earnings who had been on welfare in the previous year had wages above the official poverty line in 1998 (Sherman et al. 1998).

Although poverty was lower among almost every demographic group in 1999, it increased among single, working mothers. Before counting the benefits of government safety net programs, the poverty rate for people in working single-mother families fell from 35.5% in 1995 to 33.5% in 1999 (the latest year for which data is currently available). However, after counting government benefits and taxes, the poverty rate among people in working single-mother families was 19.4% in 1999, virtually the same as in 1995. The authors of a recent report on poverty conclude:

… after 1995, declines in the effectiveness of the safety net in reducing poverty among families headed by working single mothers offset the effect of the improving economy, halting the reduction of the poverty rate for these families and pushing those who remained poor deeper into poverty (Porter and Dupree 2001).

Further, people in families headed by working single mothers who were poor in 1999 are deeper in poverty than such families were in 1995. This is yet another piece of evidence indicating that former welfare mothers are having difficulties finding employment that helps them to escape poverty.

Many former welfare families are as likely to experience hardships after leaving welfare. Over one-third of families on welfare went without housing, food, or necessary medical care, compared to 29.8% of families who left welfare over a year ago. Families with a full-time worker were only slightly less likely to experience one or more of these hardships compared to current welfare families. Nearly one-quarter% of families who left welfare more than a year ago and had a full-time worker went without housing, food, or necessary medical care, while 29.9% of those in families that left welfare more recently did so (Boushey and Gundersen 2001).


Single parents should be able to adequately support their families

Much of the PRWORA explicitly addressed the high rates of single parenthood among poor families. Since the passage of this legislation, teen pregnancy rates have fallen. However, research cannot substantiate that this was due to changes in welfare policy, rather than other causes. What we do know is that 90% of former welfare recipients are mothers, and that the kinds of employment and earnings they can garner in the labor market will dictate our success as helping them transition from welfare-to-work.

During the 1980s, the gender wage gap narrowed substantially. The gap closed because, while real wages for both women and men fell, they fell more for men. As the economy heated up during the 1990s, however, the gender wage gap stopped narrowing and began stagnating. Right now, the gender wage ratio (that is, women's wages as a percentage of men's) among full-time workers is 81%. The ratio is even lower for parents: mothers' earnings amount to less than two-thirds of fathers' earnings.

This gender wage gap is not due to differences in the skills and attributes that women and men bring to the labor market. Among high-school educated, full-time workers, the gender wage gap is .79, the same as among college-educated full-time workers. Further, women are now more likely than men to attend and graduate from college. Pay inequality is due to something more than the attributes that women and men bring to the labor market. The pay gap remains, however, partly because of the high degree of segregation of women and men into different types of jobs.

Eliminating the gender pay gap would go a long way to helping families make ends meet. If single working mothers earned as much as comparably skilled men, their family incomes would increase by nearly 17%, and their poverty rates would be cut in half, from 25.3% to 12.6%.


Work supports

Much has been made of the increased attention to work supports in the PRWORA and in other areas related to welfare reform. The major areas of reform have been child care, health care, the EITC, food stamps, and housing.

The good news is that Congress has allocated more money to childcare programs. The total federal dollars available for child care have nearly doubled since the early 1990s; states may now use TANF monies for childcare expenditures. However, many problems remain. Only 12% of eligible families receive assistance through the Child Care and Development Fund (Layzer and Collins 2001; U.S. Department of Human Services 1999). Federal and state programs reach very few families with child care needs. Tax credits are too low to help families with child care costs. Head Start serves less than half of eligible children (Blank, Schulman, and Ewen 1999). Furthermore, child care quality is inadequate due to low pay for child care workers. Despite increased federal funding on child care over the past decade, wages for child care workers stagnated, resulting in continued problems with recruiting and retraining qualified teachers (Whitebrook, Howes, and Phillips 1998).

Many families who have moved from welfare-to-work cannot afford health care. If a working-poor family is not offered employer-based health care or cannot afford the plan offered, in most cases it cannot rely on governmental assistance for health coverage. In the typical state, a parent in a family of three earning over $7,992 (59% of the poverty guideline) is not eligible for Medicaid coverage (Guyer and Mann 1999). According to our family budget research, if a two-parent, two-child family tried to purchase a non-group health insurance plan, it would cost an average of $350 a month. Former welfare recipients-even those with a full-time worker in their family-have high rates of health-related hardships. They experience levels of health hardships similar to those of welfare families, and higher than those of poor families overall (Boushey and Gundersen 2001). Although the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) has been expanded, more than 6 million children are eligible, but are not enrolled in either CHIP or Medicaid.

The welfare reform legislation did not recognize the large role of housing in the budgets of poor families. A recent report found that few of the states studied either had a separate housing allowance provided with connection to TANF or a specific provision for housing costs in the TANF benefit (Wright, Ellen, and Schill 2001). The report concludes that, "as a rule, the states reviewed in this study made no special provision for how sanctions imposed on clients for noncompliance with a TANF eligibility requirement would affect any payments made through TANF for housing costs" (Wright, Ellen, and Schill 2001, p. 46). Families are experiencing high rates of housing hardships as a result: among parents who recently left welfare, 28% report being unable to pay housing or utility bills.


Conclusion

**** There is some good news, but for millions of current and former welfare recipients, economic well-being has not improved.

**** Falling caseloads are linked to the good economy. This progress will soon reverse course.

**** Even during the latter years of the boom, many families were unable to maintain stable, full-time employment.

**** Wages are too low to enable families to escape poverty and avoid material hardships.

**** Contractions of the safety net lead to higher poverty among people in working single mother families.

**** We have made progress on implementing work supports, but we have very far to go.

**** It's unclear how possible increases in caseloads as the economy contracts will affect work support programs

http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_viewpoints_tanf_testimony


References

Acs, Gregory, and Pamela Loprest. 2001. Initial Synthesis Report of the Findings from ASPE's "Leavers" Grants. Washington, DC: The Urban Institute.


Administration for Children and Families, and Office of Planning Research and Evaluation. 2000. Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) Program: Third Annual Report to Congress. Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.


Blank, Rebecca, and Lucie Schmidt. 2000. "Work and Wages". Paper presented at The New World of Welfare: Shaping a Post-TANF Agenda for Policy, Washington, DC, December.


Boushey, Heather, and Bethney Gundersen. 2001. Just Barely Making It: Hardships Experienced after Welfare. Washington, DC: Economic Policy Institute.


Boushey, Heather, Bethney Gundersen, Chauna Brocht, and Jared Bernstein. 2001. Hardships in America: The Real Story of Working Families. Washington, DC: Economic Policy Institute.


Brauner, Sarah, and Pamela Loprest. 1999. Where Are They Now? What States' Studies of People Who Left Welfare Tell Us. Washington, DC: The Urban Institute.


Brookings Institution. 1999. The State of Caseloads in America's Cities: 1999. Washington, DC: Brookings Institution, Center on Urban and Metropolitan Policy.


Connolly, Helen, and Peter Gottschalk. 2000. "Returns to Tenure and Experience Revisited: Do Less Educated Workers Gain Less from Work Experience?"


Council of Economic Advisors. 1998. Technical Reports: Explaining the Decline in Welfare Receipt, 1993-1996. Washington, DC: Council of Economic Advisors.


Freedman, Stephen, Daniel Friedlander, Gayle Hamilton, JoAnn Rock, Marisa Mitchell, Jodi Nudelman, Amanda Schweder, and Laura Storto. 2000. Evaluating Alternative Welfare-to-Work Approaches: Two-Year Impacts for Eleven Programs. Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and U.S. Department of Education.


Gladden, Tricia, and Christopher Taber. 2000. "Wage Progression Among Less Skilled Workers." In Finding Jobs: Work and Welfare Reform, edited by D. Card and R. Blank.


Gottschalk, Peter. 2000. "Wage Mobility Within and Between Jobs: How Prevalent is Downward Mobility?". Paper presented at Low-Wage Employment, Earnings Mobility, and the Eurpoean-American Employment Gap, University of Aberdeen, November 17-18.


Katz, Bruce, and Katherine Allen. 2001. Cities Matter Shifting the Focus of Welfare Reform. The Brookings Review, Vol. 19, No. 3, pp. 30-3.


Loprest, Pamela. 1999. How Families that Left Welfare are Doing: A National Picture. Washington, DC: Urban Institute. http://newfederalism.urban.org/html/series_b/anf_b1.html


Loprest, Pamela. 2001. How Are Families that Left Welfare Doing? A Comparison of Early and Recent Welfare Leavers. Vol. Series B. Washington, DC: The Urban Institute.


Parrott, Sharon. 1998. Welfare Recipients Who Find Jobs: What Do We Know About Employment and Earnings? Washington, DC: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.


Porter, Kathryn H., and Allen Dupree. 2001. Poverty Trends for Families Headed by Working Single Mothers: 1993 to 1999. Washington, DC: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.


Primus, Wendell, and Robert Greenstein. 2000. Analysis of Census Bureau's Income and Poverty Report for 1999. Washington, DC: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. < http://www.cbpp.org/9-26-00pov.htm>


Sherman, Arloc, Cheryl Amey, Barbara Duffield, Nancy Ebb, and Deborah Weinstein. 1998. Welfare to What: Early Finding on Family Hardship and Well-Being. Washington, DC: Children's Defense Fund.


Strawn, Julie, Mark Greenberg, and Steve Savner. 2001. Improving Employment Outcomes Under TANF. Washington, DC: Center for Law and Social Policy.


Wallace, Geoffrey, and Rebecca Blank. 1998. "What Goes Up Must Come Down? Explaining Recent Changes in Public Assistance Caseloads". Paper presented at Welfare Reform and Macroeconomy, Washington, DC, November 19-20.


Wright, David J., Ingrid Gould Ellen, and Michael H. Schill. 2001. Community Development Corporations and Welfare Reform: Linkages, Roles, and Impacts. Albany, NY: Rockefeller Institute Press.


Ziliak, James, David Figlio, Elizabeth Davis, and Laura Connolly. 1997. "Accounting for the Decline in AFDC Caseloads: Welfare Reform or Economic Growth?", 1151-97 1151-97. Madison, WI.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:42 AM
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11. Excellent!!! Thank you!!
I knew there was more to the story than bland statistics (which, by the way, end at 2000 in President Clinton's op-ed).

It's not often that I disagree with him, but I do on this issue. That program has hurt far more people than it's helped.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 08:05 AM
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12. You're welcome!
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 08:09 AM by Totally Committed
People have to realize that Welfare was "reformed" that day, but not for the better. As I said, I can't believe he's out there congratulating himself and us on this black anniversary.

It should also be noted that virtually ALL the extra $$$ allocated for childcare has disappeared completely as the budget has been strained to provide Tax cuts for the rich and to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq.

TC
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:07 AM
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22. BINGO!
I'm not surprised that you'd see through the garbage!
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 08:09 AM
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13. I think welfare reform has been a tremendous success.
It's part of Clinton's legacy... it will be remembered as his contribution to the betterment of Americans for decades.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:10 AM
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23. Did you forget a sarcasm smiley or did you not read reply #10? n/t
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 08:32 AM
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14. kick
:kick:

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 09:15 AM
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15. Kick
:kick:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:12 AM
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24. This is about how the unemployed are measured.
If you are not on the unemployment rolls, then you must be employed. Right? Wrong. You could have already been dropped off that list because your unemployment insurance ran out. But you are still unemployed.

If you raise the standards for getting welfare assistance, then some will automatically be off the list. But they will still be poor and without means to get assistance.

I was teaching in an average to poor community, a community of good people who worked hard....when the welfare reform took place. Some of it was good and worked, but it really truly hurt some innocent trustworthy people.

Raising qualification standards will automatically cut the number who get assistance.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:17 AM
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25. Thank you for this great post.
I totally agree with your assessment.

Some may have worked, but it did truly hurt A LOT of innocent and trustworthy people. As a teacher, I'm sure you could really elaborate on a lot. Thanks, Mad....

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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:21 AM
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26. Zactly!
I'm reminded of the catch-all example for free-marketism used by the GOP and DLC - Chile.

Chile, under Pinochet, took the Chicago Boys' experiment. In a "controlled environment" (a dictatorchip), laissez faire free-market neoliberalism was put into place.

Bingo! GNP growth - wunnerful! Government debt - beautifully low! All the figures that the rw tend to use when in their favour --- beautiful!

All due to privatization, the lack of government regulation, the reigning-in of trade unions and low corporate/wealthy taxation.

The flipside? Don't bother about that - it doesn't matter. A country with a thriving middle class lost its middle class. A healthy population began to suffer from unheard-of diseases such as pellagra. For the first time in decades... starvation.

Yet this is the poster-boy nation of the neolibs... which include the DLC I might add. It took good old Keynesian pump-priming and government spending to turn the tables on the Chilean economy - and the neolibs are cynical enough to STILL take credit for anything and everything positive (but nothing negative) in Chile.

Go figure.
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