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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:28 AM
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EXPECT a Bin Laden tape just before the election in November
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 11:32 AM by Gman
Right now, expect it. There's lots of reasons and none of them have anything to do with OBL his self. There's a reason OBL went free at Tora Bora. OBL is more valuable to the Bushco alive and running around than he is captured and in prison. Ever wonder why no one will answer a direct question about OBL? Every time Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld/et al get asked a direct question about OBL, they redirect.

Remember the OBL tape that came out just before the 2004 elections? That tape was presented as the reason Bush won. I would propose that, if anything, the tape made the election close enough to steal.

Bushco is desperate right now. And Karl Rove still has a whole lot of tricks left up his sleeve, regardless of how unethical and immoral those tricks may be, they will use them. I believe to this very day that Buschco paid off OBL at some point and in return OBL made the November 2004 tape. Maybe it was in return for letting him go at Tora Bora. We've discussed here many times how OBL needs Bush to keep the Middle East in a state of chaos. Bushco needs OBL for people to be afraid of. And we see right now, even before Labor Day how Bushco is ratcheting up the fear factor.

From OBL's November 1, 2004 tape:

"Praise be to Allah who created the creation for his worship and commanded them to be just and permitted the wronged one to retaliate against the oppressor in kind. To proceed:

Peace be upon he who follows the guidance: People of America this talk of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan, and deals with the war and its causes and results.
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So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah.

That being said, those who say that al-Qaida has won against the administration in the White House or that the administration has lost in this war have not been precise, because when one scrutinises the results, one cannot say that al-Qaida is the sole factor in achieving those spectacular gains.

Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war fronts to keep busy their various corporations - whether they be working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction - has helped al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results.
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So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled, and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his future. He fits the saying "like the naughty she-goat who used her hoof to dig up a knife from under the earth".

So I say to you, over 15,000 of our people have been killed and tens of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been killed and more than 10,000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of its sons, also for money."


While what much of OBL said was, in fact, true, and is still true today, it only served to make Bush the hero as OBL echoed many of our talking points which the RW had demonized. The result was a literal windfall for Bushco.

So let's not think that Karl Rove and Bushco are above putting OBL up to this again. Bank on it, there WILL be another OBL tape some time the week before the election in November. It will be construed by the RW to validate the "fact" that Democrats support Al-Queda if only because OBL will echo the very same talking points we use.

And, you say this is tinfoil hat stuff? That's exactly what they want you to think. They want us to think that something so big, so outrageous, and so unethical and immoral would never happen. The fact is, they have no rules. They stole two United States presidential elections. By definition, they are capable of literally anything.

Full transcript of OBL's November 2004 tape
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:34 AM
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1. Apparently, Eleaner Clift (Newsweek) thinks so too
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 11:34 AM by rfranklin
The Osama Card
Expect the Republicans to use the specter of the terror leader to frighten voters ahead of the elections.

by Eleanor Clift



Web-Exclusive Commentary
By Eleanor Clift
Newsweek
Updated: 1:23 p.m. ET Aug 18, 2006
Aug. 18, 2006 - It will soon be five years since the 9/11 attacks thrust America into a state of perpetual anxiety, and the man who inspired and masterminded the carnage that awful day remains at large. He’s almost certainly in Pakistan, way up on the northern border, almost to China, and with the November elections approaching, the name of Osama bin Laden will once again surface as a powerful symbol of who’s with us and who’s against us.

--more-


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14410491/site/newsweek/
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:41 AM
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2. Hadn't seen that
But it's a no-brainer that this will happen. I've been thinking about this for a few days now.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 01:26 PM
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12. No criticism intended...I saw it just as you posted and added it...
I've been thinking that the Dems should counter this by bringing up NOW the fact that bin Laden said he was supporting Bush in 2004 with that video. The working relationship between Bush and bin Laden should be hammered home at every opportunity.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:50 AM
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3. Goes without saying. It hasn't failed to happen thus far.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 01:06 PM
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10. Yes, but the good thing is that people are now talking about it.
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 01:08 PM by calimary
Talking about it as the disgraceful purely-political shamelessly calculated manipulation that it is.

This is great! And if people in the media keep doing this, it will fuel the skepticism that's already growing out there. Back in 2004 you didn't have quite as many openly calling the "playing the fear card" strategy what it is. Every such card was pretty much regarded as something straightforward. Nobody really felt motivated to try to read between the lines. That's all changed. And when it happens, as I'm convinced, myself, that it will, the impact will be blunted by run-up speculation like this. It can't possibly be viewed as just another coincidence. Many more people will smell a rat, and likely will SAY SO, this time. Which makes shit like this harder to fall for and just blindly, mutely accept as truth. Open skepticism makes it a lot harder to swallow whole.

A MOST interesting and encouraging development!

Maybe some more of us won't get fooled again...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:50 AM
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4. Bin Laden wearing a Ned Lamont T-shirt
As in the film V for Vendetta, we can expect to see beaucoup terra alerts between now and election day, including the discovery of yet another terrorist plot on the eve of the election.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:00 PM
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7. Hmm. Related thread at....
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:53 AM
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5. Of course. Bush and Cheney are making it now. OBL is dead.
They will keep making these bogus tapes and Americans will keep falling for it just like George Orwell never existed.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:57 AM
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6. More bin Laden talk
more BREAKING NEWS of suspicious activites that result in airports being shut down, planes being diverted, buildings being evacuated. Of course they will be all for naught but it will show the American sheeple just how hard BushCo is working to keep us safe. :puke:

Mz Pip
:dem:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:04 PM
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8. Nah, that one is worn out. It'll be something different: lower gas prices.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:43 PM
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18. I don't think so... they're too greedy
They won't give up the money at any cost.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:44 PM
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9. And concurrently,
add a new bombshell story on the disappearance of Natalie Holloway in Aruba. The voters can never be left with just politics...must have a heartstring-tugging human interest story to keep them susceptible to emotional appeals.

It's Jonbenet this week, and certainly some other ambush awaits to muddy the waters...there is probably a level at which W's dropping poll numbers make the distraction stories automatically kick in. Rest assured that Karl (and Alberto) have extensive flow-charts of these mechanisms.

I'm most saddened by the fact that nobody "on the inside" with this Admin. has had the guts to reveal their terrible tactics...are they ALL being blackmailed into acquiescence?
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life long demo Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 01:15 PM
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11. Why Osama bin Laden is still out there
Because with Osama on the loose, Bush can use him as a symbol of fear for the American people. And I think the reverse is true. Osama uses Bush and his chickenhawk cronies as poster boys for recruting more terrorists. Bush and the neocons are not interested in finding Osama. Bush uses him, doesn't use his name very much lately, but it's there all the time. Americans want Osama caught or killed. Democrats should use the "Where is Osama bin Laden" phrase. Do we Americans feel safer now, almost 5 years after 9/11? HELL NO!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 02:30 PM
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13. Hi life long demo!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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life long demo Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:12 PM
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26. Thank you Newyawker99
I've been reading the posts for a long time, but just recently decided to jump in because I've been so angry since Bush was elected, finally decided to at least make my opinions known. I have to add, been angry with the Democrats also. I am one of those who paid her dues in the sixties and seventies. The best time was during the Clinton years, that is other than John Kennedy. Again, thank you.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 02:39 PM
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14. I have been reading that in some ways the most recent
London events have served to weaken the GOPs strength on Terra! Terra! Terra! Something about that it solidifies a niggling impression, for those who haven't fully turned cynical per bushco, that the terrorism goes on unabated and seems to have nothing to do with Iraq. The public is overall sour on Iraq, and the GOP is starting to see the public grow sour on the way bushco is handling the so-called "war on Terra!" I rather think that an Osama tape would further solidify that growing sentiment (the one most of us have had since bushco starting hinting about going into IRaq) that something might have been able to have been done about "the terror threat" had bushco not gone half-cocked and missles ablazing into the unrelated Iraq fiasco.

They are just stupid and desperate enough to try it. But I don't think it will work.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 02:39 PM
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15. No! We need more than "a tape." We need them to roll out the
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 02:40 PM by ShortnFiery
*Osama-tron* a moving terrorist Osama-like video format. Reminds me of Abe Lincoln speaking to me at a Disneyland show during the summer of 1969. :rofl:

Oh yes, just like they did in 2004 to scare the people into voting for our current pResident, bring us The "Osama-Like Video!" :popcorn: :applause: :puke:

Recommendation to PsyOps freaks servicing the Osama-tron: Oil his upper joints (elbow, wrist) because he looked a little *jerky* when we viewed *your masterpiece* :rofl: in Nov 2004. :P
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yebrent Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 02:52 PM
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16. The only events that could possibly help the Rethugs at this point are:

1. a large draw down of forces in Iraq (most likely)
2. a capture of Bin Laden (less likely)
3. peace in Iraq, or Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, etc (nearly impossible by November elections)
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:38 PM
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17. I honestly do not believe they want #3 n/t
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:25 PM
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19. Osama will be "captured" in Pakistan shortly befor ethe election.
After the election, he'll "escape" or be "tried" and sentenced to house arrest, like A.Q. Khan.
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leanin_green Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 06:32 PM
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20. It will be something much bigger than a tape.
They've already floated out the terror scare from the UK to see how that would go. Come to think of it, I haven't and didn't hear too much about the Lieberman defeat when that story(?)broke.

No, I believe the next effort to thwart the American will will be an actual terroist attack. Something to really strike fear into the heart of the people. Probably someplace in the country where the ruling party doesn't fair so well. San Francisco, Las Vegas, maybe even Boston herself. Just a thought, though. I honestly hope my apathy and distrust in all things political in this day and age and my utter faith in what these thugs are capable of are but lost in some dark corner of the web.

But, that's what I believe will happen!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:05 PM
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21. Sadly, I don't think that's what is going to happen
I think they might realize that an OBL tape doesn't have as much terror bang as it used to. I'm afraid this time around, we are going to have an actual attack on the homefront.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:05 AM
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22. Maybe the proper antidote...
...would be a simultaneuously released "Ken Lay From Beyond the Grave Tape" hoax. :silly:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:58 AM
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23. We should demand analysis for voice morphing
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/?az=archives&j=748&page=3

Easy to take existing video and fake the audio part--and still have it be bin Laden's voice. There is serious disagreement among various experts on this guy as to whether he is still alive.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:35 AM
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24. The section of the speech you quote
about * helping al-Qaeda by his policies and actions was censored from the CNN version of the transcript (if it still exists, I couldn't find it recently).

The full transcript on al-Jazeera shows that bin Laden ENDORSES B*sh, not Kerry (as the talking heads decided to spin it).
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:47 AM
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25. What is more likely
is either an arrest or an "uncovered plot" or some sort of "diplomatic breakthrough" in any one of the hotspots (Israel/Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran or elsewhere).
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General Lee Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:23 PM
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27. QUESTION:
Did bush hire an actor to play bin laden or did he make a deal with bin laden that reads - do not attack the US during the rest of my tenure (and show yourself at the appropriate times as defined by big dick cheney) then I will not to track you down? Remember the sweatheart deal Nixon made with North Vietnam wherein he promised that if the North stayed on its side of the border, he would not resume hostilities once the US completed its withdrawal?
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