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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:24 AM
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Round 1 Allen/"Macaca" LTTE's Richmond Times-Disptach (wow)
Editor, Times-Dispatch: Oh, the irony!

"Macaca," whatever that actually means, is the least of it. George Allen lambasts Jim Webb for meeting with "Hollywood moguls," presumably right near the site of Allen's birth: Whittier, California -- a fact oddly unmentioned on the "About George Allen" page of the campaign's Website. Then Allen welcomes S.R. Sidarth, born in Fairfax, to Virginia.

Welcome, indeed. Mike Maceyka. richmond.

. . .

Editor, Times-Dispatch: What's worse -- Senator George Allen's outrageous racial slur directed at an American citizen of Indian ancestry or his staff's equally offensive effort to spin the story by claiming Allen used the name of a Native American Indian tribe as a "nickname" deriding the man's hair style?

Our senator's clearly audible words and his campaign staff's inept spinmeistering speak volumes about this sorry affair. We know full well what Allen really said from the recording. The definition of "macaca" is clear a very common type of rhesus monkey. It also is a shameful term of derision in some loutish circles for individuals of color or those who trace their ancestry to North Africa.

One would pray that there is no place in our society for such offensive and racially charged language. That it came from the mouth of a serving senator is beyond comprehension. Gordon I. Peterson. springfield.

. . .

Editor, Times-Dispatch: Senator George Allen delivered a racist and hurtful remark toward a fellow Virginian -- a young man born and raised in Fairfax. The video shows an insensitive Allen singling out a man of Indian descent during an otherwise all-white campaign rally in Southwest Virginia.

While Allen claims not to know the meaning of the name he called ("Macaca") S.R. Sidarth, why would someone use a name he doesn't know the meaning of? More likely, he learned the word growing up -- his mother is a Tunisian of French descent, and the French meaning of this word is monkey, or worse, a serious racial slur.

Allen would do well to realize Virginia is changing and growing, and we have citizens here of all races and religions. They contribute greatly to our culture and our economy and are every bit as American as he. In fact, Sidarth has spent his entire life as a Virginian -- unlike Allen, who came by way of Southern California.

I hope the mature electorate in this state recognizes what a character flaw this brings to light, and that we cannot afford to elect a bigot to represent us in the Senate. It's time to make a big change. Debby Burroughs. chesterfield.

. . .

Editor, Times-Dispatch: Senator George Allen used the word "macaca" twice when referring to a young man of Asian Indian descent. His apology: "I never want to embarrass or demean anyone and I apologize if my comments offended this young man." (Emphasis mine.)

This sounds like a totally insincere attempt at appeasement. Does this mean that Allen is apologizing, only if, by chance, the young man is offended?

Why not just say, "I apologize. I made a terrible blunder. My comments were extremely insulting"?

Furthermore, Allen owes an apology to all of Virginia. He is my senator, and his remarks do not portray Virginia as I want it to be, or as I want the rest of the rest of the United States and rest of the world to see us. Margo Sommer. chester.

. . .

Editor, Times-Dispatch: How dare he!

Senator Allen stuck his cowboy boot right in his mouth with his "macaca" statement. To welcome an American-born citizen to the country just because he has an Indian name is prejudice.

As pointed out on "The Daily Show," this could be a good thing for Allen, since this is Virginia. It is really sad that people around the country view our state that way.

One sure way to start reversing this image: Vote the redneck out! Bernice H. Eddleton. richmond.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&%09s=1045855935005&c=MGArticle&cid=1149190033457&path=%21editorials%21letters
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:27 AM
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1. Hello Webb!
Looks like Virginia is wanting a change...how refreshing!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:30 AM
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5. That is why I called this 'Round 1'
There are surely going to be letters from the other side.... just as soon as they figure out which excuse sucks the least and get it out for the astroturf letter to be written.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:27 AM
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2. Whittier, CA is also the birthplace
of one Richard Millhouse Nixon.

which should disqualify anyone from there for office.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:29 AM
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4. I lived in Whittier for 3 years about ten years ago..... what about me?
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:33 AM
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6. Sorry, better safe than sorry
guilt by association and all that.

I consider myself likewise unqualified, being born in San Diego, and having had a girlfriend who lived in Whittier. So, I spent a lot of time there.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:29 PM
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14. Technically, I was "South Whittier" and about a stone's throw from both...
La Habra and La Mirada.

I worked in Garden Grove... does that help a little?
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:16 PM
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19. Okay, you can be appointed, but elected?
Not sure.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:37 PM
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22. LOL. Ok, I'll be Secretary of the Treasury. n/t
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:28 AM
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3. I apologize for what I said IF the young man is offended
Otherwise fuck off and die. The "if someone is offended" is a time tested right wing answer to anything that offends you panty assed liberals who wrap yourselves in the constitution as if thats an important document.

I do appreciate the sentiments of Mr Eddleton from the capitol of the confederacy - "Vote the Redneck out!"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:33 AM
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7. Thanks for these ltte!
No sane person wants to be thought of like felix is representing the people of Virginia!

Virginia can do better than george felix allen!
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:56 PM
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24. "Virginia can do better than george felix allen!"
Sounds like a good slogan to me. Short, sweet and to the point.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:37 AM
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8. allen is a lunatic in that video.
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 11:38 AM by The_Casual_Observer
Pointing his finger at the guy & grinning like an idiot, all the while hurling insults in the manner much worse than someone afflicted with old age dementia.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:42 AM
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10. What ... THIS video??
:bounce::evilgrin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL3Q9gUEvtA

ABC GMA reports (doesn't mention Webb's name)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjmwVzOmGDI
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:48 AM
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11. They had to disable the "comments" section of that video on youtube
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 11:48 AM by The_Casual_Observer
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:34 PM
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12. First time I saw it. OMG, what an asshat
typical scum GOP asshole.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:40 AM
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9. When directed toward a person, macaca is ALWAYS a racial slur.
It means monkey ONLY when referring to a monkey. George Allen's own sister has previously exposed him as a violent bully. I wonder what she might have to say about his use of macaca.
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SupplySideLiberal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:47 PM
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13. He didn't apologize
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 12:49 PM by SupplySideLiberal
First he lied by saying he never wants to embarass or demean anyone. One look at the video makes it obvious he was attempting to do just that and getting a good laugh out of it to boot. Then he gave the classic politician's arrogant non-apology apology. "I apologize if my comments offended." Translation: I said nothing wrong, but I'm sorry if he was too stupid to understand me properly.

Like the journalist who was verbally assaulted I grew up in Fairfax, Virginia. To George Allen I say "Welcome to Virginia. Now get out until you learn to behave like a civilized human being".
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:34 PM
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15. PC run amock

Touchy-feely Liberals take things so seriously. We are so worried that we'll offend the next person that is a lighter shade than us that soon we'll never even be able to communicate. I mean, some of us joke around and use what lefties call "racial slurs" to talk to other people. I have a black friend and I taunt his race. And if he taunts my race, I won't mind...see I can take it, because I'm a white guy. We've become so PC in this nation. Just get over it. Allen isn't a racist. If he really thought that word meant monkey then why didn't he just say monkey? You Libs just take things so seriously...loosen up.

/extreme sickening sarcasm by the way
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:49 PM
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16. a caller to the Stephanie Miller Show
remembers him from hs and said it was common knowledge that he was a racist.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:04 PM
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17. There is a DU'er who has said the same
I forgot who though. They said that Allen spray painted racial stuff in his neighborhood and trying to blame it on blacks. Among other things.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:33 PM
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18. See this thread
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 02:59 AM
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20. It was. I was in the class and saw the racist graffiti he
scrawled on the school walls - "Die Whitey....Fuck whitey" - made to look like the work of black students from a rival school.

I didn't call Stephanie Miller, but I'm glad I'm not the only one getting this story out. Allen was a racist asshole in high school and he hasn't changed.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:04 AM
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21. So glad to read those. I know a couple of
Virginians who'd vote for Allen even if video surfaced showing him in KKK robes participating in a lynching. That would only make them love him more.

So glad to see good, decent people making their views known.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:46 PM
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23. I was in Rappahannock VA last year
and had a perfectly lovely time.

We are African American and got nothing but smiles and good will from everyone we were around.

Not one minute of a problem anywhere.

Simply beautiful country too.
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