Bush puzzled as to how Hezbollah in Baghdad could draw such a large crowd

[ProSense]

August 16, 2006
Policy

Bush Said to Be Frustrated by Level of Public Support in Iraq

By THOM SHANKER and MARK MAZZETTI

WASHINGTON, Aug. 15 — President Bush made clear in a private meeting this week that he was concerned about the lack of progress in Iraq and frustrated that the new Iraqi government — and the Iraqi people — had not shown greater public support for the American mission, participants in the meeting said Tuesday.

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But in what participants described as a telling line of questioning, Mr. Bush did ask each of the academic experts for their assessment of the prime minister’s effectiveness.

“I sensed a frustration with the lack of progress on the bigger picture of Iraq generally — that we continue to lose a lot of lives, it continues to sap our budget,” said one person who attended the meeting. “The president wants the people in Iraq to get more on board to bring success.”

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More generally, the participants said, the president expressed frustration that Iraqis had not come to appreciate the sacrifices the United States had made in Iraq, and was puzzled as to how a recent anti-American rally in support of Hezbollah in Baghdad could draw such a large crowd. “I do think he was frustrated about why 10,000 Shiites would go into the streets and demonstrate against the United States,” said another person who attended.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/16/washington/16policy.html?ref=world

This is a very disturbing article!

[Eric J in MN]

1. Gee, why aren't the Iraqis thanking us for bombing them?

Poisoning their environment with depleted uranium, and shooting at drivers at surprise checkpoints?

[timontheleft]

4. Their logic is always so backward

Why do they always think that the populace of the country getting bombed will turn against their own leaders instead of tuning against the country lobbing the bombs?

:shrug:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Joe Scarborough asks, "Is Bush an Idiot?"

I think this article answers that question pretty well. "The president expressed frustration that Iraqis had not come to appreciate the sacrifices the United States had made in Iraq, and was puzzled as to how a recent anti-American rally in support of Hezbollah in Baghdad could draw such a large crowd."

Duh.

Well, for starters, if you invade a country that never threatened your country and kill about a hundred thousand civilians, and hang around for four years and stir up a civil war and wreck the infrastructure to the point where there's hardly any electricity or running water or functioning hospitals and people can't even leave their homes for fear of getting shot by somebody and their kids can't go to school, and hardly anybody has a job, and there's no end in sight, ya think some people might cop an attitude? Ya think??

[Botany]

9. Great Post!

That is it in a


Good Job!

[hvn_nbr_2]

15. At first glance, I thought that pic was Bush's brain.

Well, it's about the right size anyway.

[calimary]

11. File that under "No Shit, Sherlock!" Ya think??? No KIDDING.

D'OH!!! No SHIT. There is a world outside the Green Zone, pResident dumb-ass. And it isn't even all that comfy-cozy inside the Green Zone, either. I wonder how many Iraqis have started wishing they had Saddam back running things again?

[Supersedeas]

12. the frat boy in chief is a lil slow, yeeeeeap

[Auntie Bush]

13. You forgot to include

Imprison, torture, murder and rape their woman,children and population.
Steal the money that was suppose to repair their schools and intra structure.

[Blue Fire]

3. And you don't know how much a hammer hurts

until you smack yourself upside the head with one. Dumya's really good at that, isn't he!:hurts:

[librechik]

5. gosh, he gave this crowd of experts a whole 90 minutes!

that's an improvement over the 45 minute meeting he gave all the State Department hands awhile back.

[Webster Green]

6. Buck up, chimpy. Its not your fault. The Baby Jesus told you to attack...

Damn those ungrateful Iraqis!

What a fucking idiot our little war-chimp is.

[Botany]

7. Now he starts to look @ the problems?

<Participants said Mr. Bush appeared serious and engaged during the lunch, which lasted more than 90 minutes, as the experts went through a lengthy discussion of the political, ethnic, religious and security challenges in Iraq.>

Dept. of Closing the Barn Door After the Horse is Gone



<More generally, the participants said, the president expressed frustration that Iraqis had not come to appreciate the sacrifices the United States had made in Iraq, and was puzzled as to how a recent anti-American rally in support of Hezbollah in Baghdad could draw such a large crowd. “I do think he was frustrated about why 10,000 Shiites would go into the streets and demonstrate against the United States,” said another person who attended.>

Dept. of Everybody tried to tell bush that the Shi ites would take over.

* did not know about Sunnis and Shi ites just weeks before he started this mess.

[tanyev]

8. *hands on hips* "And after all we did for them..."

[partylessinOhio]

10. This idiot has got to go. "HE" is putting America at risk. A person that

stupid is dangerous.

[Sadie5]

14. Saw Scarborough tonight

Was running through the channels looking for something to watch. Had to laugh out loud when I saw the "Is Bush An idiot" on the bottom of the screen. Fund was there defending Bush saying hoe intelligent he is. He only makes those sneery faces because he's the Prez and has a sense of humor. Don't know who the other guy was, didn't hear him say much but Joey acts as if he is deserting the sinking ship.

[Amonester]

16. Hitler Said to Be Frustrated by Level of Public Support in France

August 16, 2006
Policy

Hitler Said to Be Frustrated by Level of Public Support in France
BERLINTIMES
By Trans-later in Germany
Published: August 16, 1941

BERLIN, Aug. 15 — Our Leader Hitler made clear in a private meeting this week that he was concerned about the lack of progress in France and frustrated that the new French government — and the French people — had not shown greater public support for the Third Reich mission, participants in the meeting said Tuesday.

Those who attended a Monday lunch at the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht that included the Fuhrer’s war cabinet and several outside experts said Hitler carefully avoided expressing a clear personal view of the new leader of France, General Petain.

But in what participants described as a telling line of questioning, Hitler did ask each of the academic experts for their assessment of the General’s effectiveness.

“I sensed a frustration with the lack of progress on the bigger picture of France generally — that we continue to lose a lot of lives, it continues to sap our budget,” said one person who attended the meeting. “The Fuhrer wants the people in France to get more on board to bring success.”


Might have happened there just (almost) the same. :cry:

[alvarezadams]

17. It's a POV problem

The admin's worldview isn't TINGED by ideology, it is interpreted SOLELY through the prism of ideology.

They're such extremists that they think that "democracy" and "free marketism" matters to someone who worries not only about where the next meal is coming from - but if they'll make it back alive from the next visit to the market.

And now that dreaded word has popped up again and not in the old "positive sense" (anyone remember "democratic dominoes"?) but in the SE Asian sense. The article mentions the latest ideologue adviser saying something on the lines of "Americans don't realize that the failure of Iraq may result in a domino effect in the ME". And here we have the crux of the ideological prism POV; the ideologues fear a collapse of an untenable status quo.

"Democratic dominoes" obviously was a rhetorical euphemism for regime change ONLY in the countries that didn't tow the US/corporate line. It was never meant to apply to Egypt, S. Arabia, Jordan, the UAE, Pakistan, etc. - it was meant for Iraq, Syria and Iran exclusively. From an objective POV Iraq, Syria and Iran aren't the problems (certainly not from the "war on terra" standpoint), it's our "valued allies" in the region that are the greenhouses for terror and instability.... until we turned Iraq into a mess that is.

Until Americans realize what is really at stake and what is really going on, count on the GOP to have a stranglehold on "national security" for the forseeable future. Even on this board I've seen people posting from the "conservative" POV with regards to foreign policy and war... the same "mindset" that Jost identified (http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hannahk/bulletin.pdf#search='jostpdf').