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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:53 AM
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Group with ties to SBVT fights for Lieberman in Conn
From the Stamford Advocate:

George Jepsen, former state Democratic Party chairman and a Lamont supporter, yesterday compared Vets For Freedom to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. That group attacked Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's decorated Vietnam War record.

"This is a familiar process where the far right uses their money to tear down a Democrat," Jepsen said. "They did it to John Kerry on his war record two years ago. They're doing it to Ned Lamont now on the war in Iraq."

One of the first organizations to find Vets for Freedom's ties to prominent Republicans was the Center for Media and Democracy, a nonprofit group that does investigative reporting on corporate and governmental spin campaigns.

Center founder John Stauber said Vets For Freedom's advisers, including Dan Senor, formerly of the Iraq Provisional Authority, and Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, are proof "these guys are a front group for the Republican agenda for November."

More at: http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/scn-sa-vets2aug15,0,43712.story?coll=stam-news-local-headlines


The Center for Media and Democracy had this post on their web site about the Vets for Freedom group and their Republican ties:

"Vets for Freedom" Fight for Rove and Lieberman
Submitted by John Stauber on Fri, 08/11/2006 - 11:03.

The Republican lobby group Vets for Freedom is the 2006 equivalent of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the Republican 527 committee whose attack advertisements in battleground states helped sink John Kerry in the 2004 presidential race by smearing him as a phony war hero and a traitor to his country.

Vets for Freedom (VFF) made lame claims to be "non-partisan" when in early 2006 it first appeared out of the blue online and in op-ed pieces in the New York Times and other major papers and in TV interviews. An investigation of the group by citizen journalists at SourceWatch and by the Buffalo News blew the VFF claim of non-partisanship out of the water. For instance, the Buffalo News revealed in June that former White House flack Taylor Gross, who left Scott McClellan's office in 2005 to start his own PR firm, represented VFF and pitched them to papers as non-partisan journalists who would embed for these newspapers and report accurately and cheaply for them from Iraq. Now the camouflage has fallen completely off. Vets for Freedom has registered itself as a 527 committee and is going to run a full page advertisement in Connecticut's Hartford Courant on behalf of Joe Lieberman's renegade run for re-election to the US Senate as a 'stay the course in Iraq' candidate.

The Wall Street Journal reports that VFF is being handled now by Republican strategist Dan Senor and that it "hopes to run other print and radio ads in the fall, and is also planning on campaign door-to-door for Mr. Lieberman and holding a rally on his behalf."

Connecticut is a heavily Democratic state, and normally any Democrat who wins the nomination would be expected to cruise to victory in the general election this November. However, Lieberman's refusal to bow out after losing to Ned Lamont in last Tuesday's primary creates a window of opportunity for a Republican victory. By supporting Lieberman, the Republicans hope to split the Democratic vote so that their candidate can get elected. This strategy is bound to produce an ugly and divisive political campaign, another advantage for the Republican cause nationally as Tony Snow and others in the White House paint pro-peace Democrats as a party of appeasement in the war on terror.

More at: http://www.prwatch.org/node/5077


So, just whose side is Lieberman on? He was backed by the entire Democratic establishment in 2000 when he ran for President. He repays that by allowing a viciously anti-Democratic group to work for him in his re-election race. Democrats should shun this self-serving opportunist and send a message that it's not okay to 'do anything to win,' and it's certainly not okay to accept help from the liars associated with the SBVT.


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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:02 AM
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1. What the hell!?
AL Gore is going to have to talk to Lieberman - this is getting out of hand.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:04 AM
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2. Any port in a storm for Joe
And any help is good help, no matter if the bastards coming in have any morals or not. Lieberman is using the same group of people who thought mocking purple-heart recipients at the RNC was a good idea.

What a guy!
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:45 PM
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15. Lieberman despises Gore--and vice versa.
Why would Lieberman listen to a word Gore had to say?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:52 PM
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16. Then that begs the question
why was Lieberman chosen in 2000? Honestly, I wish Gore and Lieberman would go public with this. The closest we ever got to a frank discussion was the skit in the hottub on SNL that Gore was in back in 2002. Sigh!
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:23 PM
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17. Two probable reasons.
The DLC and the powers that be in the Dem Party wanted Lieberman, and back then they had the power to enforce such a choice. Also, Gore and his consultants were trying to use Lieberman's early moralistic response against Clinton's affair as a way of distancing Gore from what was perceived as a very big minus in his association with Clinton.

Obviously, Liberman was a very bad choice.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:48 PM
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18. Gore obviously regrets it
and, I'm sure, regrets listening to the ones who pushed Lieberman on him.

Thanks!
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:59 AM
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31. He was chosen as a sop to the DLC, the Democratic Losers Comm.
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 07:00 AM by Tesha
(I'm not joking. I'm starting to believe that the DLC would
rather see elections lost to Republicans than to allow the
Democratic Party to make any attempts to benefit the people
at the expense of the corporations.)

Tesha
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:13 AM
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3. I can't wait until some
big Democratic Guns go to Connecticut and GOTFV for Lamont!! There are all kinds of possibilities..Musicians, Senators, Govenors, Dean and his crew, Congresspeople..

Traitorjoe is just begging for us to "bring it"~!
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:01 AM
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32. We're *ALL* waiting for that. Think we'll have to wait long?
(I do.)

Tesha
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:06 AM
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40. Sen. Edwards will be campaigning for Mr. Lamont, tomorrow.
***MEDIA ADVISORY***

EDWARDS TO CAMPAIGN WITH LAMONT ON THURSDAY

New Haven, Connecticut – On Thursday, August 17, 2006, Senator John Edwards, the 2004 Democratic Vice-Presidential nominee and former U.S. Senator from North Carolina, will join New Haven Mayor John DeStefano and leaders from SEIU/1199 at a campaign rally for Ned Lamont, the Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate in Connecticut.

THURSDAY, AUGUST 17, 2006
5:45 PM
Senator Edwards to address a campaign rally for Ned Lamont

Harkness Courtyard

(corner of York and Cedar Street)

New Haven, CT

For more information, please contact Kim Rubey at 202-669-5185.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2782336
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:15 AM
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4. It's vengeance toward the party.
And toward the people of CT for voting for someone else in the primary. There is no other word for it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:29 AM
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5. The connection between these groups and Lieberman says
it all. Joe has got to go and the sooner the better.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:12 AM
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6. These people should have been politically exterminated by Kerry, but no!
for his expdiency in trying to "avoid" the indignity of dealing with them or to "stoop that low" in taking them on head-on, we get them recycled over and over again
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:30 AM
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7. There is an effort to get rid of these pests
but, like lots of infestations, they keep coming back. There is an effort by people who were involved in the '04 fight to push back against Swift Boat style attacks at: http://www.patriotproject.com/

You don't just push a button and get rid of these people. It's not that easy. They are well-funded and run by Repub campaign veterans with experience. This is an on-going fight for the Dems and it should be a fight that engages all the Dems, not just Kerry.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:36 AM
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14. He did deal with them appropriately while media refused to acknowledge it
so uninformed people will keep spreading the false idea that Kerry never amswered them, just like you keep doing - just like corpmedia EXPECTS you to do.

Campbell Brown must be reaping many a lucrative paycheck off of people who continue to spread corpmedia lies.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 04:59 PM
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19. OK give me evidence of a counterbarage against them organized by Kerry
excuse me me if I say right now, I have low expectations of what you are likely to come up with, since my searches in addition to the lightness of the your previous extolling of how he fought back (in line with many such pols as him, done without much oomph, vigor or evident desire to kick ass that that attack called for) have essentially revealed nothing of any weight
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:08 PM
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21. Here's the proof, and you know that if the media WANTED Kerry's countering
of the swifts heard, they would have let more of this be heard.

Links are live in the Research Forum.

April 14, 2004 - The website for SBVT was registered under the name of Lewis Waterman, the information technology manager for Gannon International, a St. Louis company that has diversified interests, including in Vietnam. (1) (note - Gannon International does not appear to have any relationship to Jeff Gannon/Guckert, the fake reporter.)

May 3, 2004 - "Kerry campaign announced a major advertising push to introduce 'John Kerry's lifetime of service and strength to the American people.' Kerry's four month Vietnam experience figures prominently in the ads." (2)

May 4, 2004 - The Swift Liars, beginning their lies by calling themselves "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth", went public at a news conference organized by Merrie Spaeth at the National Press Club. (1)

May 4, 2004 - "The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event...The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.' " (3)


May 4, 2004 - Aug. 5, 2004 - No public activity by Swift Liars (?) Wikipedia entry (7) notes "When the press conference garnered little attention, the organization decided to produce television advertisements." (Ed. note - were there any public info or announcements, other than talk on blogs? Was there anything going on publicly? Did the campaign have reason to foresee what was coming - note that they must have, see the reactions to each ad).


Jul. 26, 2004 - Jul. 29, 2004 - Democratic National Convention held in Boston. John Kerry's military experience is highlighted.

Aug. 5, 2004 - The Swift Liars' first television ad began airing a one-minute television spot in three states. (7)

Aug. 5, 2004 - "the General Counsels to the DNC and the Kerry-Edwards 2004 campaign faxed a letter to station managers at the relevant stations stating that the ad is 'an inflammatory, outrageous lie" and requesting that they "act immediately to prevent broadcast of this advertisement and deny any future sale of time. " ' " (4)

Aug. 10, 2004 - Democracy 21, The Campaign Legal Center and The Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that the Swift Liars were illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections. (4)

Aug. 17, 2004 - the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges. (4)

Aug. 19, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced its own ad "Rassmann." (4)

Aug. 20, 2004 - The Swift Liars' second television ad began airing. This ad selectively excerpted Kerry's statements to the SFRC on 4/22/1971. (7)

Aug. 22, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced another ad "Issues" which addressed the Swift Boat group's attacks.

Aug. 25, 2004 - The Kerry-Edwards campaign ... dispatched former Sen. Max Cleland and Jim Rassmann, to Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas to deliver to the President a letter signed by Democratic Senators who are veterans. (The letter was not accepted.) (4)

Aug. 26, 2004 - The Swift Liars' third television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's claim to have been in Cambodia in 1968. (7)

August 26, 2004 - Mary Beth Cahill sends letter to Ken Mehlman detailing the "Web of Connections" between the Swift Liars and the Bush Administration, and demanding that Bush denounce the smear campaign. (5)

August 26, 2004 - Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) submits FOIA request "with the White House asking it to detail its contacts with individuals connected to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT)." (6)

Aug. 27, 2004 - The DNC ran a full page ad in the Aug. 27, 2004 New York Times terming the Swift Boat campaign a smear. (4)

Aug. 31, 2004 - - The Swift Liars' fourth television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's participation in the medal-throwing protest on 4/23/1971. (7)

References:
* (1) SourceWatch article on SBVT

* (2) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman

* (3) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth: Kerry Campaign Response

* (4) (Sept. 8, 2004) Eric M. Appleman (apparently) Some Responses to the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" Ad

* (5) August 26, 2004 letter from Mary Beth Cahill to Ken Mehlman

* (6) Press Release (US Newswire): CREW FOIAs White House Contacts with Swift Boat Veterans Group

* (7) Wikipedia entry, Swift Vets and POWs for Truth



MH1 - This topic is to create a timeline of the response of the K/E04 campaign to the Swift Liars' smears. There is an RW-encouraged myth that K/E04 "didn't respond." As the timeline, once completed, will show, that is not true. Effectiveness of the response may be debated - that is subjective - the purpose of this thread is to collect the facts of the events.




On Aug. 19, 2004 Kerry himself responded directly in a speech to the International Association of Firefighters' Convention in Boston. (from prepared remarks)
...And more than thirty years ago, I learned an important lesson—when you're under attack, the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attacker. That's what I intend to do today.

Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been attacking me. Of course, this group isn’t interested in the truth – and they're not telling the truth. They didn't even exist until I won the nomination for president.

But here's what you really need to know about them. They're funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas. They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the President won't denounce what they’re up to tells you everything you need to know—he wants them to do his dirty work.

Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam.

As firefighters you risk your lives everyday. You know what it’s like to see the truth in the moment. You're proud of what you’ve done—and so am I.

Of course, the President keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: "Bring it on."

I'm not going to let anyone question my commitment to defending America—then, now, or ever. And I'm not going to let anyone attack the sacrifice and courage of the men who saw battle with me.

And let me make this commitment today: their lies about my record will not stop me from fighting for jobs, health care, and our security – the issues that really matter to the American people...



Kerry defends war record
Aug. 19: John Kerry responds directly to attacks on his Vietnam military service Thursday, accusing President Bush of relying on front groups to challenge his war record.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=40a0d9b1-0386-41ef-bc...



May 4, 2004. The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event. (Above are, r-l, Wade Sanders, Del Sandusky and Drew Whitlow). Senior Advisor Michael Meehan said, "The Nixon White House attempted to do this to Kerry, and the Bush folks are following the same plan." "We're not going to let them make false claims about Kerry and go unanswered," Meehan said. He said his first instinct was to hold a press conference with an empty room where veterans could testify to their time spent in the military with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." Spaeth Communications, which hosted the event, "is a Republican headed firm from Texas which has contributed to Bush's campaign and has very close ties to the Bush Administration." Lead organizer John O'Neill, a Republican from Texas, "was a pawn of the Nixon White House in 1971." Further some of the people now speaking against Kerry had praised him in their evaluation reports in Vietnam.

John Dibble, who served on a swift boat in 1970, after Kerry had left, was one of the veterans at the Kerry event. He said of Kerry's anti-war activities that at the time, "I didn't like what he was doing." In retrospect, however, Dibble said, "I probably should have been doing the same thing...probably more of us should have been doing that." He said that might have meant fewer names on the Vietnam Memorial and that Kerry's anti-war activities were "a very gutsy thing to do."

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/interestg/swift050404c....



Kerry campaign's quick response to Swift boat vets
By Marie Horrigan
UPI Deputy Americas Editor
Washington, DC, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The campaign for Democratic Party presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts issued an exhaustively researched and extensively sourced 36-page refutation Thursday of allegations Kerry lied about events during his service in Vietnam, including how and why he received medals, and had fled the scene of a battle.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040805-012143...



Kerry: Bush lets attack ads do 'dirty work'
McClellan points out criticism by anti-Bush group
Friday, August 20, 2004 Posted: 2:37 PM EDT (1837 GMT)
BOSTON, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry accused President Bush on Thursday of letting front groups "do his dirty work" in questioning his military service during the Vietnam War.

"The president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that," Kerry told a firefighters' union conference in his hometown of Boston.

"Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: Bring it on."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/19/kerry.attacka... /


http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php




August 5, 2004

VIA FACSIMILE

Re: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

Dear Station Manager:

We are counsel to the Democratic National Committee and John Kerry, respectively. It has been brought to our attention that a group calling itself "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" has bought time, or may seek to buy time, on your station to air an advertisement that attacks Senator Kerry. The advertisement contains statements by men who purport to have served on Senator Kerry's SWIFT Boat in Vietnam, and one statement by a man pretending to be the doctor who treated Senator Kerry for one of his injuries. In fact, not a single one of the men who pretend to have served with Senator Kerry was actually a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and the man pretending to be his doctor was not. The entire advertisement, therefore is an inflammatory, outrageous lie.

"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" styles itself as a group of individuals who personally served with John Kerry in the United States Navy in the Vietnam War. In truth the group is a sham organization spearheaded by a Texas corporate media consultant. It has been financed largely with funds from a Houston homebuilder. See Slater, Dallas Morning News, July 23, 2004.

In this group's advertisement, twelve men appear to make statements about Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. Not a single one of these men served on either of Senator Kerry's two SWIFT Boats (PCF 44 & PCF94).

Further, the "doctor" who appears in the ad, Louis Letson, was not a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and was not the doctor who actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. In fact, another physician actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. Letson is not listed on any document as having treated Senator Kerry after the December 2, 1968 firefight. Moreover, according to news accounts, Letson did not record his "memories" of that incident until after Senator Kerry became a candidate for President in 2003. (National Review Online, May 4, 2004).

The statements made by the phony "crewmates" and "doctor" who appear in the advertisement are also totally, demonstrably and unequivocally false, and libelous. In parrticular, the advertisement charges that Senator Kerry "lied to get his Bronze Star." Just as falsely, it states that "he lied before the Senate." These are serious allegations of actual crimes -- specifically, of lying to the United States Government in the conduct of its official business. The events for which the Senator was awarded the Bronze Star have been documented repeatedly and in detail and are set out in the official citation signed by the Secretary of the Navy and the Commander of U.S. Forces in Vietnam. And yet these reckless charges of criminal conduct are offered without support or authentication, by fake "witnesses" speaking on behalf of a phony organization.

Your station is not obligated to accept this advertisement for broadcast nor is it required to account in any way for its decision to reject such an advertisement. Columbia Broadcasting System v. Democratic National Committee, 412 U.S. 94 (1973), You Can't Afford Dodd Committee, 81 FCC2d 579 (1980). The so-called "Swift Boat Veterans" organization is not a federal candidate or candidate committee. Repeated efforts by organizations that are not candidate committees to obtain a private right of access have been consistently rejected by the FCC. See e.g., National Conservative Political Action Committee, 89 FCC2d 626 (1982).

Thus, your station my freely refuse this advertisement. Because your station has this freedom, and because it is not a "use" of your facilities by a clearly identified candidate, your station is responsible for the false and libelous charges made by this sponsor.

Moreover, as a licensee, you have an overriding duty "to protect the public from false, misleading or deceptive advertising." Licensee Responsibility With Respect to the Broadcast of False, Misleading or Deceptive Advertising, 74 F.C.D.2d 623 (1961). Your station normally must take "reasonable steps" to satisfy itself "as to the reliability and reputation of every prospective advertiser." In re Complaint by Consumers Assocation of District of Columbia, 32 F.C.C.2d 400, 405 (1971).

Under these circumstances, your station may not responsibly air this advertisement. We request that your station act immmediately to prevent broadcasts of this advertisement and deny andy future sale of time. Knowing that the advertisement is false, and possessing the legal authority to refuse to run it, your station should exercise that authority in the public interest.


Please contact us promptly at either of the phone numbers below to advise us regarding the status of this advertisement.

Sincerely yours,
Marc Elias
Perkins Coie
607 14th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005


General Counsel
Kerry-Edwards 2004 Joseph Sandler
Sandler, Reiff & Young
50 E Street, S.E. #300
Washington, D.C. 20003


General Counsel
Democratic National Committee


http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/dem080504ltrswift...




From the transcript of the Aug. 5, 2004 White House Press Briefing with Scott McClellan:

Q Do you -- does the President repudiate this 527 ad that calls Kerry a liar on Vietnam?

MR. McCLELLAN: The President deplores all the unregulated soft money activity. We have been very clear in stating that, you know, we will not -- and we have not and we will not question Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. I think that this is another example of the problem with the unregulated soft money activity that is going on. The President thought he put an end -- or the President thought he got rid of this kind of unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reforms into law. And, you know, the President has been on the receiving end of more than $62 million in negative attacks from shadowy groups.

* * *

In the days after the release of the ad a host of major newspapers published editorials condemning it including the Arizona Republic ("Campaign Non-Starter," August 6), Los Angeles Times ("It's Not All Fair Game," August 6), Plain Dealer ("Ad Says Kerry Lied; Record Says Otherwise," August 8), St. Petersburg Times ("An Ugly Attack," August 9), Las Vegas Sun ("Ad's Smear Should Be Condemned," August 9), Oregonian ("Now It Gets Nasty," August 11), and Washington Post ("Swift Boat Smears," August 12).

* * *

On Aug. 10, 2004 Democracy 21, the Campaign Legal Center and the Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections.

* * *

From the transcript of Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance on CNN'S Larry King Live:


KING: In view of that, do you think that it's fair, for the record, John Kerry's service record, to be an issue at all? I know that Senator McCain...
G. BUSH: You know, I think it is an issue, because he views it as honorable service, and so do I. I mean...
KING: Oh, so it is. But, I mean, Senator McCain has asked to be condemned, the attack on his service. What do you say to that?
G. BUSH: Well, I say they ought to get rid of all those 527s, independent expenditures that have flooded the airwaves.
There have been millions of dollars spent up until this point in time. I signed a law that I thought would get rid of
those, and I called on the senator to -- let's just get anybody who feels like they got to run to not do so.
KING: Do you condemn the statements made about his...
G. BUSH: Well, I haven't seen the ad, but what I do condemn is these unregulated, soft-money expenditures by very wealthy people, and they've said some bad things about me. I guess they're saying bad things about him. And what I think we ought to do is not have them on the air. I think there ought to be full disclosure. The campaign funding law I signed I thought was going to get rid of that. But evidently the Federal Election Commission had a different view...

Kerry spokesman Chad Clanton's response to Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance:
"Tonight President Bush called Kerry's service in Vietnam 'noble.' But in the same breath refused to heed Senator McCain's call to condemn the dirty work being done by the 'Swift Boat Vets for Bush.' Once again, the President side-stepped responsibility and refused to do the right thing. His credibility is running out as fast as his time in the White House."

* * *

On Aug. 17, 2004 the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges.

* * *

DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued a statement on Aug. 18, 2004:

"By saying nothing at all George W. Bush is a complicit contributor to the slanderous, lie-filled attack ads that have been launched on John Kerry on Bush's behalf. Instead of stepping up and taking the high road, George Bush's response has been evasion, avoidance, everything but disavowal.

"Larry King asked George Bush to 'condemn' it. He refused. Reporters asked the President's Press Secretary if he'd 'repudiate' it. He ducked. They can try to blame it on the rules or whoever else they want, but the blame belongs squarely on the Republicans. They wrote it. They produced it. They placed it. They paid for it. And now it is time for George W. Bush to stand up and say, 'enough.'

"This is not debate, Mr. President, and this unfounded attack on Senator Kerry has crossed the line of decency. I call on you today to condemn this ad, the men who put their lies behind it, and the donors who paid for it. It's time."

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/swiftadresponse.h...



Altercation Book Club: Lapdogs by Eric Boehlert
Relatively early on in the August coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifty. In late August, CNN's scrawl across the bottom of the screen read, "Several Vietnam veterans are backing Kerry's version of events." Again, a more factual phrasing would have been "Crewmembers have always backed Kerry's version of events." But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer.

When the discussion did occasionally turn to the facts behind the Swift Boat allegations, reporters and pundits seemed too spooked to address the obvious—that the charges made no sense and there was little credible evidence to support them.. Substituting as host of "Meet the Press," Andrea Mitchell on Aug. 15 pressed Boston Globe reporter Anne Kornblut about the facts surrounding Kerry's combat service: "Well, Anne, you've covered him for many years, John Kerry. What is the truth of his record?" Instead of mentioning some of the glaring inconsistencies in the Swifties' allegation, such as George Elliott and Adrian Lonsdale 's embarrassing flip-flops, Kornblut ducked the question, suggesting the truth was "subjective": "The truth of his record, the criticism that's coming from the Swift Boat ads, is that he betrayed his fellow veterans. Well, that's a subjective question, that he came back from the war and then protested it. So, I mean, that is truly something that's subjective." Ten days later Kornblut scored a sit-down interview with O'Neill. In her 1,200-word story she politely declined to press O'Neill about a single factual inconsistency surrounding the Swifties' allegations, thereby keeping her Globe readers in the dark about the Swift Boat farce. (It was not until Bush was safely re-elected that that Kornblut, appearing on MSNBC, conceded the Swift Boast ads were clearly inaccurate.)

Hosting an Aug. 28 discussion on CNBC with Newsweek's Jon Meacham and Time's Jay Carney, NBC's Tim Russert finally, after weeks of overheated Swifty coverage, got around to asking the pertinent question: "Based on everything you have heard, seen, reported, in terms of the actual charges, the content of the book, is there any validity to any of it?" Carney conceded the charges did not have any validity, but did it oh, so gently: "I think it's hard to say that any one of them is by any standard that we measure these things has been substantiated." Apparently Carney forgot to pass the word along to editors at Time magazine, which is read by significantly more news consumers than Russert's weekly cable chat show on CNBC. Because it wasn't until its Sept. 20 2004 issue, well after the Swift Boat controversy had peaked, that the Time news team managed enough courage to tentatively announce the charges levied against Kerry and his combat service were "reckless and unfair." (Better late than never; Time's competitor Newsweek waited until after the election to report the Swift Boat charges were "misleading," but "very effective.") But even then, Time didn't hold the Swifties responsible for their "reckless and unfair" charges. Instead, Time celebrated them. Typing up an election postscript in November, Time toasted the Swift Boat's O'Neill as one of the campaign's "Winners," while remaining dutifully silent about the group's fraudulent charges.

That kind of Beltway media group self-censorship was evident throughout the Swift Boat story, as the perimeters of acceptable reporting were quickly established. Witness the MSM reaction to Wayne Langhofer, Jim Russell and Robert Lambert. All three men served with Kerry in Vietnam and all three men were witnesses to the disputed March 13, 1969 event in which Kerry rescued Green Beret Jim Rassmann, winning a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. The Swifties, after 35 years of silence, insisted Kerry did nothing special that day, and that he certainly did not come under enemy fire when he plucked Rassmann out of the drink. Therefore, Kerry did not deserve his honors.

It's true every person on Kerry's boat, along with the thankful Rassmann, insisted they were under fire, and so did the official Navy citation for Kerry's Bronze Star. Still, Swifties held to their unlikely story, and the press pretended to be confused about the stand-off. Then during the last week in August three more eyewitnesses, all backing the Navy's version of events that there had been hostile gun fire, stepped forward. They were Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

Russell wrote an indignant letter to his local Telluride Daily Planet to dispute the Swifties' claim: "Forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."

The number of times Russell was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 1. On Fox News: 1. MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1. On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Like Russell, Langhofer also remembered strong enemy gunfire that day. An Aug. 22 article in the Washington Post laid out the details: "Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. “There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river,” said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry’s. Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the “clack, clack, clack” of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks." (For some strange reason the Post buried its Langhofer scoop in the 50th paragraph of the story.)

The number of times Langhofer was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 0. On Fox News: 0. On MSNBC: 0. On ABC: 0. CBS: 0. NBC: 0.

As for Lambert, The Nation magazine uncovered the official citation for the Bronze Medal he won that same day and it too reported the flotilla of five U.S. boats "came under small-arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks."

The number of times Lambert was mentioned on. On Fox News: 1. On CNN: 0. On MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1 On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Additionally, the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs, who served as the paper's point person on the Swifty scandal, was asked during an Aug. 30, 2004, online chat with readers why the paper hadn't reported more aggressively on the public statements of Langhofer, Russell and Lambert. Dobbs insisted, "I hope to return to this subject at some point to update readers." But he never did. Post readers, who were deluged with Swifty reporting, received just the sketchiest of facts about Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

If that doesn't represent a concerted effort by the press to look the other way, than what does?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12799378/#060518



Please use this information as a guideline for 2006 and 2008 campaigns. What the media edits out of our campaigns is CRUCIAL to public perception.

Even many Democrats are unaware of the real fight that occurred in 2004 and are buying wholesale the corporate media spin which conveniently protects the corporate media who failed to give honest coverage of Kerry's defense against the lies of the swift vets and their Republican handlers.

Not recognizing the extent of the corporate media's duplicity is a danger for all Democratic candidates in 2006 and 2008.

This can and WILL happen to any Democratic candidate.

This CAN and WILL happen to ANY Democratic candidate. FIGHT THE MYTHS. Stay tough KNOWING the media is aligned with these liars.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. self-delete
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 10:52 PM by confludemocrat
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. That's a sad indictment of the cluelessness of the 2004 Kerry campaign
But thanks anyway...under relentless attack and despite forewarning since the May 2004, we get letters and faxes and one speech by Kerry countering the attacks, note the critical two week gap between 5 August to 19 August, and afterward when many began to doubt his willingness to fight confirmed by his folding post-election. I stand by my original point, hearing nothing that seriously or substantially alters the picture.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #26
28. Yet these efforts resulted in Bush-Cheney lawyer's resignation
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/25/ginsberg.swiftboat/

No use trying to convince you of anything. You simply believe what you want to despite the facts.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #28
37. He admires how Bush fought back tooth and nail against the AWOL charges -
oops - no, that was the GOP controlled media who protected Bush and attacked Rather for him.

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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #28
48. A lawyer resigned? Signifying what about my main point?
that Kerry didn't have the fight and couldn't go to the mat with these people and stop the trivializing of someone elses view as simply believing what I want to despite the facts, as if there were not different conclusions to be made over the same facts. Grow up.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. Signifying that there is only one reality:
A person who is happy with his/her job and wants to keep it doesn't resign out of the blue unless pressured to.

Bush saying Iraq is great is not reality; although Bush tries to persuade that it is!

Same could be said abotu your unwillingness to accept the facts!

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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Again, my question remaining unanswered, still stands.
And the facts you so extol in this case don't amount to a very good picture for your idol.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #26
36. Because you leave out the articles he had written, too.
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 09:27 AM by blm
You and others who refused to stay on top of the campaign, do not understand that Kerry had to talk Ruud into writing his recollections of what happened and that the swifts were lying. Ruud worked at the Chicago Tribune and never wanted to get involved in the politics, but felt that he was left with no choice and gave in to Kerry's urging, as the rest of the media was allowing the lies free rein.

And it wasn't Bush who attacked the AWOL story. He got the media to do it for him and the RW media that protected him to the nth degree.

Poor Kerry, he would be a dream candidate, if only he controlled the media the same way the GOP does. But then, he wouldn't be a Democrat, would he?

Kerry was scheduled to speak to the Firefighters Convention on Aug 19, 2004 - he was endorsed by the Firefighters - ALL of the newsmedia should have shown up with cameras that day, not just for the counterattack on the swifts, but the fact that post 9-11 the Firefighters endorsed Kerry for president. It should have been a HUGE news day for Kerry.

NO news channel carried the speech and few even reported that it occurred.

You want to believe that the GOP is just "lucky" or face the truth - they control most broadcast media.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. In, in his op-ed giving his recollections, Ruud
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 09:52 AM by karynnj
started by saying he was doing it for the other people on Kerry's, Droz's and his boats whose integrity was also being attacked. Ruud's account was by far the clearest account of the operation - clearer than the official report and clearer than the small number of things Kerry said. (All 3 were in basic agreement.)

In fact Ruud's version combined with the accounts in Tour of Duty clearly showed just how good Kerry was:
- Kerry's plan was developed after Kerry asked many people about the inescapable ambushes that others died in following the standard procedure. When he thought of a solution, he discussed it with several people including the other lts and his enlisted men using paper cups to explain how it might help. The other 2 lts that day had agreed that in the specific situation, they would do this.

- When they faced that situation, they used Kerry's plan - it worked well the first time and the second time - it could have failed if Kerry hadn't jumped off the boat and shot the guy with a rocket launcher. This was a plan for a desperate situation - that no US soldier died given the situation was great. That the situation could be hopeless was very possible.

The oddest criticism by the SBVT was that it was bad that it was not a spontaneous spur of the moment brave impulse was a well thought out maneuver that Kerry proposed and others approved ahead of time. (This difference may be part of the reason Kerry's men loved him - I think I know whose boat would be safer.)

Kerry, personally, in the middle of a campaign where he was making several appearances a day took the time to call people who were there to ask that they get out their comments. The campaign in calling some people even found people who never oked using their names.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #38
42. And what does it tell you about a media who ignored the swift who admitted
that they were lied to about the intentions of the group, and turned on the swiftliars? The media wanted to give him airtime when he was part of the group, but when he wanted to come clean and support Kerry, they denied him a microphone.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. True - we didn't hear about this until a few months
ago when Kerry spoke of the effort to get as much information as possible on each charge to refute them. (In fact to those who suggest Kerry has anything to hide - this is being done by some of his closest long term friends - he wouldn't waste their time or risk losing them as friends - some after over 40 years of friendship.)
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #36
47. I like others waited w/ baited breath to hear some sign of fight and got 0
so you can stuff that idea that me or millions more like me were not "on top of the campaign". He allowed himself to be beaten to a pulp, and he and his people and Edwards thought they didn't have to "stoop that low" and that editorials or faxes would be the fight. Yeah, as you say, "poor Kerry".
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE FIREFIGHTERS SPEECH. YOU are a media
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 12:46 PM by blm
baby, a product of mediamommies and daddies, who NEEDS to hear the mediaparents tell you what is going on.

It's thanks to passive people like you who COULDN'T spread the word in alternate ways because you were waiting for mediamommy to tell you what was up.

Keep waiting - - you think another Democrat has gained control of the media in any way ?

It's going to take EXPOSING the GOP control of media and voting machines to end that anti-Dem bias.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #49
53. Geez don't get so personal, blm. Your proclamations are silly.
How do you know I didn't know about that one sole speech? I did, and it didn't cut it as far as fighting back hard. Exhibit Z or even, how does it go? aa and ab and ...az, on how clueless he and his campaign were. And it nails down another "fact" (OK, my opinion): he blew his one chance.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
8. Next we'll learn Joe has hired the Hell's Angels for his security team.
The desperate man lashes out.

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
9. How much more proof do we need that Liberman is no Democrat,
and never was? He's no "Independent" at their point, either, if he's taking help from the Swift Boaters. It disgusts me that he would associate himself with these bums.

TC
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. Will Cambell Brown help out too? ( She married Senor in Colorado
recently)
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. Campbell Brown from CNN (I think?)
I am not familiar with the name you mentioned from CO. Who is Senor?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. Campbell works for NBC. She does the Today show a lot now.
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 11:38 AM by Pirate Smile
Dan Senor was the Coalition Provisional Gov't in Iraq's spokesman.





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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Thanks!
What's the connection here to the Vets for Freedom or the SVBT?

Thanks!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #13
22. Found it!
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 07:15 PM by ProSense
The Republican lobby group Vets for Freedom is the 2006 equivalent of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the Republican 527 committee whose attack advertisements in battleground states helped sink John Kerry in the 2004 presidential race by smearing him as a phony war hero and a traitor to his country.

Snip...

The Wall Street Journal reports that VFF is being handled now by Republican strategist Dan Senor and that it "hopes to run other print and radio ads in the fall, and is also planning on campaign door-to-door for Mr. Lieberman and holding a rally on his behalf."

http://www.prwatch.org/node/5077




Another great post with many links:

GOP Swiftboaters Aiming Next for Ned Lamont
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:05 PM
Response to Original message
20. They did a story on this on CNN this afternoon.
I was really shocked that they even covered it.
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rhombus Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #20
51. yep. saw it too and was amazed
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skeeters2525 Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:34 PM
Response to Original message
23. It's Time
This is now the most boring website in History.

Congratulations for being the one that put us over the top.

I cannot live without nine million stories about Lieberman
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Maybe you're boredom
is the result of an aversion to truth, which is what this thread is about: exposing liars!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:21 AM
Response to Reply #23
35. So, should I call the police and report...
...that you are being forced to read DU at gunpoint?

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #23
43. Gee, is this community service for you
or are you here by choice. If it's Community Service, I'm not writing you a recommendation. If it's by choice, then you are free to use the door and leave.
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #23
45. Wow, good one.
Now go back to campaigning for Lieberman on a site where you'll actually fool at least one person. Try freeper-ville.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:53 PM
Response to Original message
27. This surprises anyone?
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:36 AM
Response to Original message
29. i was under the impression it WAS the swift boaters
just with a new name and some newly recruited members.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:05 AM
Response to Original message
30. Since this group operates independently of the Lieberman campaign
I don't see what you expect Lieberman to do about it.

Frankly, I don't see the difference between this group and the various groups that engage in similar activity on behalf of Lamont, like Daily Kos. Oh wait, Lamont puts Kos in his television ads.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:04 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. You wouldn't. (NT)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:07 AM
Response to Reply #30
34. That's despicable: comparing Kos and Lamont supporters to swiftboaters!
This is exactly the kind of smear the Lieberman campaign engages in.

Lieberman should can denounce their support.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #34
39. I cannot believe that type of nonsense is within the rules here.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #30
41. LIEberman should denounce them, of course. Quit playing dumb. (nt)
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 10:08 AM by w4rma
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #30
46. What can he do about it? How about denounce their support?
No, that would just be IMPOSSIBLE, wouldn't it? The only reason he won't do that is because he doesn't give a shit about how he wins, so long as he wins. To Joe, the ends justify the means, and that is why he LOST to Ned Lamont and now wants a do-over. Cry me a river!
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