I do so want to be wrong about this -

[Joe for Clark]

ButI lived thru too many fights -

This is August the 14th today as I write this. Within 10 days this does start. I am sure.

I have a kid there moved to this front, (a little NCO that was supposed to go to Afghanistan) and I want to be wrong - but I know better.

I don't want to hear about Israel anymore - I am not Israeli - I know those reporters got imbedded with those dumb (American) kids for a good reason.

This fight is coming. And I don't think Jesus Christ could stop it right now. It is bad.

Joe

[INDIA]

1. What exactly is happening in 10 days?

Could you elaborate?

[bananas]

9. Some context from a thread from June

"These guys are getting readied for a big fight."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1462704

[Joe for Clark]

16. How did you do that?- I am impressed.

Joe

[bananas]

18. I remembered that thread

and used google to find it - third hit:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Ademocraticunderground.com+%22Joe+for+Clark%22&btnG=Google+Search

[Joe for Clark]

23. Thank you -

I really am an idiot about these things.

I appreciate one who isn't.

Thanks Bananas,

Joe

[Joe for Clark]

10. No I guess I can't.

But it is about right.

Some very nice combat vets at DU will cut my ass off.

They would be right to do so.

But it is about right. It makes me sick to say it, too.

Joe

[bananas]

14. Is this what you're talking about?

You posted this last week:
"Baghdad - "Phase Two""
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2446335

(edit - changed link to the start of the thread)

[Joe for Clark]

22. Yes it is - it is just a little closer now.

Personally I am afraid of this.

[acmejack]

2. Then we are all in deep trouble joe.

I will keep your son in my thoughts. And you as well.

[Joe for Clark]

12. Thank you.

Joe

I don't have a lot of hope anymore. My oldest (natural) kids friends died in Baghdad last year. Dumb kid got redeployed from Korea - died in a ditch.

[wakeme2008]

3. yes what is going to start in 10 day

:shrug:

[snappyturtle]

4. I don't have a clue what you are talking about. Can you

fill me in?

[OwnedByFerrets]

5. Add me to that list of not following you n/t

[Joe for Clark]

15. I don't know where to start.

Joe

[Contrary1]

6. I think he means most of the Middle East will be involved... n/t

[everythingsxen]

7. I believe the OP is referring..

to the 22nd. Which is when the armageddon clock is scheduled to chime, if you don't mind me turning a phrase.

The 22nd is more and more being referred to by Ahmadinejad and radical fundamentalists as a day when things will happen.

It is also the day Iran is supposed to stop enriching uranium.

My personal bet is that Iran has already gotten a nuke (or multiple nukes) and that they intend to either test or even worse, launch a nuke at Israel. (For anyone who says that Iran is a long way from nukes, I am implying they have bought one on the black/grey market from Russia; it is even possible that they have done a covert deal with Russia involving oil rights in exchange for one or two of those mobile nuclear launchers complete with missiles all - I am not saying I know that for a fact or that it is even a likely scenario, it is however possible, and at that it is more probable than improbable)

[Der Blaue Engel]

11. That's 8 days, not 10

I wish people would stop putting bad ju-ju on my 40th birthday. :(

[everythingsxen]

13. Well..

I ain't the one sayin' it, I am just passing it along and attempting to decrypt the OP for the folks saying "What are you talking about".

[Der Blaue Engel]

38. Oh, I know

And I wasn't really directing my comment at you, but at whomever it is that has hijacked my birthday for their nefarious armaggedon-fomenting. ;)

[Joe for Clark]

41. Happy birthday!!

Joe

[Der Blaue Engel]

45. Thanks, Joe!

:) And good vibes to you for whatever you're going through. :hug:

[Joe for Clark]

25. No - I am the son of a soldier - and I can guess how

long it takes to get in a line to fight, really.

I think those people can all screw themselves - and I hope they do.

We only win by taking our money and walking away now. And I hope they kill themselves.

I am not exactly a pacifist - I understand american blood is worth an awful lot, though.


Joe

[everythingsxen]

30. Oh,

sorry, like I said I thought you had been referring to the ominous 22nd deadline upcoming and were predicting dire consequences for the region.

[loves_dulcinea]

8. i don't know why

but i thought he was referring to a fresh fight in baghdad.
my deepest sympathies to you. odd that afghanistan should be thought of as "safe".
i guess it is as safe as any american city. in any american city, if you find yourself in the wrong neighborhood, it could mean your life.

[Joe for Clark]

17. You keep posting!!!

You think.

Joe

[Blackhatjack]

19. there is a reason we are sending more troops into Baghdag

More US troops, more sectarian violence, more tension with Iran, and now weaken Israel is still at mercy of Hezbollah rockets, it all points to negative forces converging rather than things heading toward a peaceful conclusion.

Most people in the US are unaware, but 130,000 men is not a heck of a lot to provide security when it comes to trying to extricate them amid sectarian fighting, civil war, or a massive influx of Iranian fighters into Iraq.

Worst case analysis, we could lose a huge number of men since we do not have the logistical support in place to extricate them if there were a huge flow of fighters over the Iranian border joining up with Iranian insurgents of Iraq attacking our troops.

The only options available to us would be the use of tactical nuclear weapons and massive air strikes that would set the entire Middle East on fire. Also Russia and China would weigh in.

[BluePatriot]

46. *blinks rapidly with moment of clarity

Weakened Israel...

Let's say Iran was supplying Hezbollah to exhaust/weaken Israeli forces so Iran could take action a few weeks later against Israel...

*oh crap*

[EndElectoral]

20. It's the whole Mahdi..end of days thing...more mythology.

[Joe for Clark]

21. I guess,

Do you really think all the strength brought to bear is public??

Do you??

If you're right the army must be morons.

I think the senior officers may be (morons)-

but my kid is just an NCO -

And frankly, my parents and uncles were senior officers - and they'd say the same as me -

Those seniors need to be replaced!!!

Fight is comming. Before the end of the month.

Joe

[jaxx]

26. Joe I don't know which fight is coming, but the signs all say it is.

bush is standing on the sideline screaming bring it on, and somebody is going to answer him real soon. The Iraqi police force has dwindled to 100 showing up today, the rest threatened away....Baghdad is a powderkeg. Iran and Syria, emboldened by the Israel/Lebanon fight,are drawing lines in the sand and anxious to cross over them. And bush dances up and down the sideline goading them on.

I wish your son a safe homecoming....soon.

Bring em home...now!

[Joe for Clark]

27. Good for you Jaxx, and I thank you.

It is the only rationale conclusion in an irrationale world.

We bring those dumb kids home. They may be dumb, but they are our kids!!!!

Thank you for Troy,


Joe

[bluestateguy]

24. This August 22nd stuff is nonsense

NOTHING will happen, save for another lazy, late-summer day with little or no real news to report on.

It's also possible that certain people may be juicing up "August 22nd" to then claim credit for stopping a terrorist attack that was never scheduled to ever take place.

[Joe for Clark]

28. For christ sake - don't you get it??

8/22 or 8/31 - what the hell do you care - you trading DJ futures??

Don't you get it??

There is not a lot of time here - not for anyone.

Consequences are really serious.

How long does it take one to put toy soldiers in a line of battle - that is what whose kids

are now - just toy soldiers. I say prayers - I know just what my grandparents went thru -

"Hail Mary, full of grace....."

This is a really bad summer comming, honest to god.

Joe

[brokensymmetry]

34. So you don't think that the fight with Hezbollah

threw things off the track?

Please understand I mean no disrespect, and I recognize
that there is much you cannot say...but it seems like
madness for the U.S. to engage in any other fights
anywhere. Yet, from the tone of your posts, it sounds
as if you're convinced there will be a U.S. initiated
expansion of the conflict.

If that happens...WWIII will be well and truly begun.
I would expect a draft to follow soon thereafter, with
a full war-time set of controls to come. Even then,
I would not feel sure that we would win.

Can you tell me if my interpretation is too far from the
mark?

[Joe for Clark]

36. Maybe I can try?? -

I am a Catholic - I think I am still -

About a quarter of my family is jewish right now - and I love them too.

And my dad was with the Americans that liberated Buchenwald in 1945. I figure aout a quarter of Moms family died in such prisons in 44-45. You know??

No - you're not wrong. But I don't expect to lose THIS fight, either.

I think the interpretation is right - but not the intent.

Thats dude,

we are all on the same side here -

Joe

[primative1]

44. August 22 ...

I havent heard a thing about any of this until this thread got me surfing.
Sure sounds like hard core wingnuts have this date on their radar. Might be a good day to short the markets :)

(my appologies for linking this site but its interesting on this topic)
http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2006/08/august_22_irans.html

In my view it's not wise to consider this, as you say, "heavy speculation." It would be heavy speculation as to what, if anything, will be done on August 22. I for one believe there will be an announcement on August 22 that Iran will not accept the proposal, Iran has said as much, but they will do it in a way that pins their hopes on capturing the Ummah.

But the reason to believe this is more than just some paranoia, other than the history of Islam, is that Iran's political figures have stated something indeed will happen on the 22nd and there is no question Ahmadinejad wants to bring forth the 12th Imam. One doesn't drop notes down a well in Qaim, allegedly where this Imam has been living for centuries feeding on well water and sand, to the Imam for nothing. There can be no serious denying Ahmadinejad's quest to bring forth the return of the 12th Imam and his desire to unite the Ummah, but is it this date in which he has already signaled the day he chooses to try to bring about that change? I don't know, but it's rather strange that no major publication has yet to discuss this topic, that is until the WSJ and I just hope it was in their print version.

[demosincebirth]

29. ???

[Joe for Clark]

33. ??? - What does that mean???

Say what you mean- I respect that.

I sure don't think much of ???.

Say what you mean

Joe

[demosincebirth]

39. I guess I'm assuming too much.

Just means I don' know what you are talking about in you post.

[Joe for Clark]

40. No, its ok - I am not the best at explainganything -

I don't mean anything by it.

I am sorry if I implied anthing other than that.

Joe

[cmd]

31. My thoughts are with you, Joe

and with your son. Reporters? Not a good sign. Thanks for the warning. :grouphug:

[laylah]

32. ...

:hug: Safety to your child and others, Joe. Being of a non-military mind, I am not sure what you are referring to but I AM sure it is going to be ugly.

What I want to say would get me into Gitmo in a heartbeat then whoever would pay the mortgage :sarcasm: I pray the architects of these monstrocities feel the pain and suffering of their pawns, 1,000,000,000,000 fold, only in a slow and painful fashion!

Thanks for the heads up Joe. My thoughts and prayers are with you, your son, and all of the other innocents affected by these mad(wo)men.

Jenn

[Joe for Clark]

35. I - understand.

I wish I wasn't such a accident of birth - but you are surely right.

Thanks Jenn,

Joe

[Joe for Clark]

37. I sent this to the W - House today.

Mr President Bush -

I understand your father flew missions over the pacific in WWII- my father flew Jugs over Europe then too. And man, my boy is going back AGAIN to goddamn IRAQ. Hell hole in the purest definition.

Don't do this to them. I have never disliked anyone I ever met from Texas - they were nice people.

I do not want to make any exceptions.

Joe

[laylah]

42. You were

too kind, Joe. *Dumbass doesn't "compute" kind.

Jenn

[laylah]

43. self-delete...dupe.