Diddling the Votes

[Stinky The Clown]

This IS about Diebold, ES&S and all the other corporate controlled vote counting systems. This IS about vote count fraud cheating. This IS about losing not to voters but to nefarious schemes to steal our votes.

And to lay down in the face of it is to simply cop out.

Is there strong evidence that there has been vote count cheating in the past? Yes, absolutely there was. Is it possible that not one but two national elections were decided by cheaters and not voters? Again, an unqualified yes.

But let's just hold on a second.

In a presidential election, the massive fraud and cheating it takes to win need only be perpetrated in a small area. A state or even just a relatively few precincts. Just enough to turn a close race in the middle of the night.

But in the midterms, it seems to me, the effort has to be much, much bigger and involve many, many more co-conspirators. It just isn't as easy. Further, we've seen the methods used to effect the chicanery.

The more massive the fraud, the greater the chances for not just suspicion, but hard evidence.

We *do* need to be wary. But we should not be afraid.

Work the polls as you always have. Stuff envelopes and make calls and give money and knock on doors and plant signs and canvass and get out the vote and drive Aunt Mabel to the polling place and do everything you can to make it a winning day for Democrats.

And to our party's various mechanisms ..... stand with us and be ready to challenge every suspicious outcome. I believe we've had two stolen national elections. I have no absolute proof I am willing to cit, but I believe it nonetheless. But I don't believe the problem is insurmountable. And I SURELY think that defeatism serves **their** purposes far more than it serves as a caution to our side.

To ascribe everything to vote cheating is a cop out. To ignore it, however, is stupid.

We CAN win.

[acmejack]

1. We simply must win.

One more loss is all we can bear.

[Stinky The Clown]

2. I have the same sense of things ....

no argument here.

[Iwasthere]

3. We *do* need to be wary. But we should not be afraid.

This reminds me of what Randi R said one election night 2004 when people were starting to panic about all the vote problems. I will never forget it (I love Randi but am still mad at her about this one). She said, "Don't worry everybody, it is going to be alright" more than once on that night. Well Randi, it didn't turn out all right, perhaps you should have allowed the panic to spread. And if Kerry hadn't given up so easy the next morning many of the tactics would have been found out in time and he could have fought the crime.

Vote cheating needs to be exposed. Take a lesson from Mexico, DON"T GIVE IN!!!! If we are not diligent we lose everything.

I say be afraid be very afraid then turn that into Wary and diligence! For the sake of our country...

[Stinky The Clown]

4. Very well said.

Thank you :thumbsup: