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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:04 AM
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Lamont on Face the Nation was GREAT!
When Scott Pelley asked Ned Lamont about polls showing him losing in a three-way race with Lieberman, Ned replied (I love it!):

Do I care? I started this race as an asterisk.

When asked about the view that pulling out of Iraq would cause chaos, Ned replied (this is so great!): It's already chaos.

Well well well... now there's a Dem candidate I can get behind! He sounds a bit like Howard Dean but without making the goofy mistakes Howard made.

Lamont stays on message, and it's a good honest direct one... he is the voice for change.

GO NED!

SUE
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:07 AM
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1. Lamont was great but...
if Pelley had said Democrat Party one more time, I would have punched his face in through the tv!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:09 AM
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2. I correct people.
Edited on Sun Aug-13-06 10:09 AM by Clark2008
I sound oh-so-concerned and tell them, "You know, that's improper grammar. You sound, you know, kind of uneducated when you say it that way."

I think Democrats on television need to say that, too, when someone says that to their face. :evilgrin:
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:11 AM
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5. Picking battles...
I think it's a minor thing and Dems should just ignore it.

The real battles are much more serious and it does no good
to get distracted by minor stuff.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:24 AM
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13. Not so minor - good article in last week's The New Yorker on the "ic"
factor. Written by Hendrik Hertzberg, he nails the importance of the "ic" at the end of Democrat.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/060807ta_talk_hertzberg

THE “IC” FACTOR
Issue of 2006-08-07
Posted 2006-07-31


What is the name of a certain political party in the United States—not the one which controls the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the federal government but the other one, which doesn’t? The question is a small one, to be sure: a minor irritation, a wee gnat compared to such red-clawed, sharp-toothed horrors as the health-care mess and the budget deficit, to say nothing of Iraq and Lebanon. But it has been around longer than any of them, and, annoyingly, it won’t go away.

Last week, the gnat was buzzing at a high altitude. An e-mail from none other than “President George W. Bush,” arriving last Monday morning in millions of in-boxes, hinted strongly at where the Commander-in-Chief stands on the name issue. To wit:

The Democrat Party has a clear record when it comes to taxes.

And:

Nothing threatens our hard-won reforms and economic prosperity more than a Democrat victory this November.

And:

The difference is clear: if you want the government in your pocket, vote Democrat.

An alternative view is that it’s called the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party itself takes this view, and many nonpartisan authorities agree. The American Heritage College Dictionary, for example, defines the noun “Democratic Party” as “One of the two major US political parties, owing its origin to a split in the Democratic-Republican Party under Andrew Jackson in 1828.” (It defines “Democrat n” as “A Democratic Party member” and “Democratic adj” as “Of, relating to, or characteristic of the Democratic Party,” but gives no definition for—indeed, makes no mention of—“Democrat Party n” or “Democrat adj”.) Other dictionaries, and reference works generally, appear to be unanimous on these points. The broader literate public also comes down on the “Democratic” side, as indicated by frequency of usage. A Google search for “Democratic Party” yields around forty million hits. “Democrat Party” fetches fewer than two million.

There’s no great mystery about the motives behind this deliberate misnaming. “Democrat Party” is a slur, or intended to be—a handy way to express contempt. Aesthetic judgments are subjective, of course, but “Democrat Party” is jarring verging on ugly. It fairly screams “rat.” At a slightly higher level of sophistication, it’s an attempt to deny the enemy the positive connotations of its chosen appellation. During the Cold War, many people bridled at obvious misnomers like “German Democratic Republic,” and perhaps there are some members of the Republican Party (which, come to think of it, has been drifting toward monarchism of late) who genuinely regard the Democratic Party as undemocratic. Perhaps there are some who hope to induce it to go out of existence by refusing to call it by its name, à la terming Israel “the Zionist entity.” And no doubt there are plenty of others who say “Democrat Party” just to needle the other side while signalling solidarity with their own—the partisan equivalent of flashing a gang sign.

(snip)

The job of politicians, however, is different, and among those of the Republican persuasion “Democrat Party” is now nearly universal. This is partly the work of Newt Gingrich, the nominal author of the notorious 1990 memo “Language: A Key Mechanism of Control,” and his Contract with America pollster, Frank Luntz, the Johnny Appleseed of such linguistic innovations as “death tax” for estate tax and “personal accounts” for Social Security privatization. Luntz, who road-tested the adjectival use of “Democrat” with a focus group in 2001, has concluded that the only people who really dislike it are highly partisan adherents of the—how you say?—Democratic Party. “Those two letters actually do matter,” Luntz said the other day. He added that he recently finished writing a book—it’s entitled “Words That Work”—and has been diligently going through the galley proofs taking out the hundreds of “ic”s that his copy editor, one of those partisan Dems, had stuck in.

In days gone by, the anti-“ic” tic tended to be reined in at the Presidential level. Ronald Reagan never used it in polite company, and George Bush père was too well brought up to use the truncated version of the out party’s name more than sparingly. Not so Bush fils—and not just in e-mails sent to the Party faithful, which he obviously never reads, let alone writes. “It’s time for the leadership in the Democrat Party to start laying out ideas,” he said a few weeks ago, using his own personal mouth. “The Democrat Party showed its true colors during the tax debate,” he said a few months before that. “Nobody from the Democrat Party has actually stood up and called for actually getting rid of the terrorist surveillance program,” he said a week before that. What he meant is anybody’s guess, but his bad manners were impossible to miss. Hard as it is to believe from this distance in time, George W. Bush came to office promising to “change the tone.” That he has certainly done. But, as with so much else, it hasn’t worked out quite the way he promised.

Read the entire article at the link. http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/060807ta_talk_hertzberg



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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 01:21 PM
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19. The Republicans don't give a rat's ass--they'll call the Democratic
Party whatever they want. I think Dems should nail their butts--every single time--with an insult. It would make them stop. When are Dems going to stop being so nice? What does it get us?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:22 AM
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12. And whenever someone says, "THE Democrats..."
be sure to come back with the phrase "THE Republicans"...

or the media's subtle attempts at marginalization will become ingrained in the public consciousness.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 01:03 PM
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18. How about
the Republican't party?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:44 AM
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15. good one! This analogy summed it up best for me:
Edited on Sun Aug-13-06 10:48 AM by spooky3
Using the term Democrat as an adjective is as offensive as referring to someone "the Jew doctor" versus "the Jewish doctor."

Wish I could remember who said it here on DU.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:36 PM
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24. I'd correct it, too. Unless it was some overt republi-CON saying this.
In that case, I'd proceed as normal, but referring to my opponent and his/her party as "republics" and the "republic" party. And then if my opponent took offense, I'd smile sweetly and say - "oh - well, when YOU get it right, I will, TOO!"
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:09 AM
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3. I hear you!
Pelley was definitely acting like a presstitute, but it didn't matter.

Ned Lamont fielded all his questions with power, clarity, honesty, and conviction.

Yay.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:10 AM
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4. So transparent
Maybe the strategy should be to chance the name to the Democracy Party. That'll get their f*cking goat.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:14 AM
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7. Oddly, it was called that for a period of time.
I believe it was a regional thing... mid west... which in the Lincoln to WJ Bryan era was essentially the "west".

DU historians can perhaps fill in the rest.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 07:58 PM
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21. You know what, for such a simple idea
that name change thing is actually a pretty damn creative one, imho.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:12 AM
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6. they say democrat party because they are allowed to get away with it
in every instance it should be corrected and a stern rebuke should be given to the person speaking DELIBERATELY in error.

once again the repubs and right wingers control the language. Democrats have ALLOWED the word liberal to be turned into something bad by running away from it and abandoning it, now they will allow their own official party name to suffer the same fate.

the republican party should always be referred to as "the extreme right wing fascist republican party".

Msongs
www.msongs.com/2007politicalcalendars.htm
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:18 AM
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10. Response.
Well, I am running as a candidate of the "Democratic Party".
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:22 AM
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11. Yes.
Democrats should simply use the correct phrase in response to the incorrect one, EVERY TIME.
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:14 AM
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8. Lamont did well
That interviewer really was doing the right-wing media thing, wasn't he! Damn, first question was something like "One day later don't you think the positions that got you elected are now completely ridiculous," or something a bit more tactful (only a bit though). Then the bit about inviting Lieberman. I'm wish he'd have said "Well, did you invite the other republican? How is it that they only want to invite the Democrat, and the loser of the Democratic Primary? Can you say, media is splitting the vote?

Had they actually invited both republicans and Lamont it would've only shown that Lieberman's positions were just like the Republican, and split the Republican vote. By only inviting (and hoping for) those two, it tends to split their vote. Even the mention of it without Lieberman appearing makes it seem like those two are competing for the same pool of votes.

Every election cycle, at some point the media jumps in and starts helping republicans, and eliminating democrats they don't like. Dean scream, dean scream x 3000.
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:17 AM
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9. Thanks for posting this.
I don't have TV, so I was wondering how it went.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:31 AM
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14. Lamont die well and so did Dean!
Dean nailed the bastids on MTP! Go Dean!

Lamont did great on both, MTP and Face the nation!

:applause: :applause: to both! ;)

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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:49 AM
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16. Lamont did well on FAUX Sunday also
He didn't take the bait from any of Chris "If I only had 1/10th of My Father's Brains" Wallace's loaded questions.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:31 AM
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17. I saw Ned on Faux News
He was great. He a great job getting his point across to Chris Wallace. I missed him on Face the Nation, but am guessig the environment was more friendly.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 05:49 PM
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20. I caught the Fox interview, too, and I wouldn't be surprised if
Lamont earned some Republican votes. The last question asked was if there was anything that he didn't agree with the far left on. Rather than saying "no," which was the trap, Lamont stated he was a fiscal conservative. Republican viewers must remember the concept, don't you think?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:24 PM
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23. So, why did he accept their designation "far left"?
Or say something like why don't we talk about policies instead of what Repuoblicans think of as "far left", which is anything to the right of Ghengis Khan.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:08 AM
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25. He ignored it and I thought that was the perfect move.
They want him to take the bait so the headline will be "Ned Lamont defends the far left and their cut and run agenda, yada, yada, yada. Far left. Far left. Cut and run. Cut and run." Ignoring the bait probably drives them nuts.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:31 PM
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26. Well, it worked, but--
--I'd really like to see more people take on that meme, as in "What kinds of policies do you consider 'far left'?"
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 08:09 PM
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22. Video of Ned on both CBS and FOX are at My Left Nutmeg
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