Bill Clinton: Philosophy vs. Ideology...THIS IS A MUST HEAR..

[IChing]

Bill Clinton was in Seattle on July 31st speaking on behalf of the re-election of Jim McDermott. Listening to what he had to say reminds us all what we have been missing in Clinton.

This is one of the best speeches and explains the difference for most people can understand between
the Republicans, that believe in ideology and
the Democrats ,that believe in philosophy.

He is as always a great speaker.

http://liberaltopia.org/?p=1016

[IChing]

1. Please, this is an important speech don't let the thread die.

To explain to a lot of people in easy terms that they can understand the differences of ideology and philosophy as applied to republicans and Democrats.



It doesn't matter your view on Clinton...


I'm trying to find the text but can only find the audio.
The speech was played in parts on Thom Hartman's show and is well worth listening to but I only found the complete speech.

The text will probably be 10 pages long though, knowing Clinton.....LOL.

[DeadManInc]

2. Great speech!

[IChing]

4. I still have not seen the text

thanks for the kick

[nickshepDEM]

3. K&R for the big dawg.

[nickshepDEM]

39. Back to the top again.

Im gonna' kick this for a week or so. Its that good.

[Jamastiene]

5. Kicked and Nominated.

Big Dawg rules. Long live Bill Clinton.

[AtomicKitten]

6. he's a brilliant man

with a keen grasp of where politics and philosophy collide.

[Lindacooks]

7. OH my God, I miss that man.

This one statement alone should be emblazoned across every Democratic ad:

THEY ATTACK TO SUPPORT THEIR IDEOLOGY, WE ARGUE TO SUPPORT OUR EVIDENCE

[IChing]

9. Yes that was a great line

Still can't find the text

[Lindacooks]

10. I would love the transcript of that speech.

I was frantically typing as he was talking!

[Tansy_Gold]

8. K & R -- and a companion link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlEqtaWpKEU&eurl=

Link to a speech by JFK that eerily pre-echoes (can't think of the word I really want) Clinton's.

[Reckon]

14. JFK sends a prophetic warning from the past..

Eerie indeed.. I've shared it with everyone I could.

Thanks, Tansy_Gold.

[tblue37]

33. "foreshadows" (eom)

[Tansy_Gold]

37. Thanks! and a big "DUH" to myself

Tansy Gold, who not only used to BE a writer, but used to TEACH writing. Sheesh!

[tblue37]

41. Well, I still am a writer and I still teach writing and literature,

so my head is still immersed in that stuff.

[Reckon]

11. Best post of the week... Thanks IChing.. Truly a MUST HEAR!..

K&R

[onecent]

12. kick

[alittlelark]

13. I'll listen after dinner - I'm looking forward to it!

[Triana]

15. Boy do I ever miss him....

..K & R. I'd K & R this 100 times if I could...

[NativeTexan]

16. This Clintonian Democrat says...........

......them were the good ole days!! A prez with a clue!!

[Lindacooks]

17. Kick because this is important.

[bleever]

18. K&R for

the ability to talk simply about the deep stuff.

[pstans]

19. Thom Hartmann talked about this on his radio show

Hartmann was the MC of the event in Seattle and then discussed the speech on his radio show. It is a great speech.

[IChing]

24. It is where I heard it first

I didn't know that Thom was there.

[Drum]

20. kickin'!

:kick:

[question everything]

21. K & R (nt)

[juajen]

22. I believe in Hill and Bill

They both are a gift to America; one we don't fully appreciate. I hope that changes.

[Bluesplayer]

23. Daddy,

did presidents used to be smart?

[lumpy]

25. I admire Bill Clinton for his

intelligence and ability to convey a message. I don't always agree with everything he has to say, but this was an outstanding speech.

[alvarezadams]

26. Sorry

Nice rhetoric, nice delivery - but that's about it.

Philosophy vs. ideology? Hogwash. Especially from a man that is the epitome of the sugarcoater: he was a prime mover of neolib economics and "free trade", the very core of rw economic ideology. He supported big business - just different businesses... which is why he can rail against pharma and insurance (no mention of the AMA, fwiw).

The philosophy/ideology argument is sophistry - the REAL difference between the Dems and GOPers is tactics.... and the names of their taskmasters.

An effective speech nonetheless - which isn't hard to do considering the incompetence of the admin.

What I DIDN'T like was a case of Bubba following GOP "ideology" - the healthcare part of the speech. He noted SOME differences between American and Canadian and Swiss healthcare systems. Yet he doesn't support a nationalized healthcare system such as those run by the Canadians and Swiss - but merely a reform of private healthcare. That is disingenuous.

Stil, an effective communicator that at least reflects some of the values that progressives fight for.

[IChing]

27. Like I said and you said

"an effective communicator that at least reflects some of the values that progressives fight for"

He should have spoken like this in the 2000 and 2004 election but still

good speech and talking points we can use.

[alvarezadams]

28. Oh, I agree

I just don't like the Clinton hagiography because the fellow is not all he's cracked up to be (from a progressive standpoint). He looks and sounds great compared to the falangists we have now though!

I am not so sure of Bubba was a positive or negative political influence. He certainly didn't serve as a "counterrevolutionary" to the prevailing rw swing - at best he was a breakwater potus that temporarily slowed the move to the right. And his economic policies were textbook neolib, down to NAFTA.

He'd have made a helluva Rockefeller Republican a couple of decades ago. But then again a Rockefeller Repub would be a liberal dem in this day and age, which is a great pity considering what is at stake.

Indeed, a good communicator. What -I- miss (even if he was equally disingenuous in many respects) is rhetoric like this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/35_kennedy/psources/ps_ameruniv.html

[alvarezadams]

29. How things change, eh?

"The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war. We do not want a war. We do not now expect a war. This generation of Americans has already had enough -- more than enough -- of war and hate and oppression. We shall be prepared if others wish it. We shall be alert to try to stop it. But we shall also do our part to build a world of peace where the weak are safe and the strong are just."

Ooops

[IChing]

30. Yeah and they killed Kennedy for that..

I miss America.

People should listen to your link on that speech.

[NativeTexan]

43. In 2000, he WOULD have if...........

......he'd been asked by the Gore Campaign. Gore distanced himself from the greatest politician in a generation and the extra votes that would most likely have come that could have made Florida irrelevent.

[DemExpat]

31. Thanks, I'm sending this around....

what a breath of fresh air in this suffocating world!

:kick:

DemEx

[MasonJar]

32. Thank you for providing that tape. Bill Clinton is the zenith. How

did we fall so far? Every one listen; it is time well-spent.

[kywildcat]

34. K&R-Thank you for posting this link! nt

[LunaSea]

35. End of clip?

It seemed to end abruptly, is there more?

Found a podcast link here-
http://podcast.am1090seattle.com/kptk/24384.mp3
but it too, ends the same.

[MrCoffee]

36. Kick for Ol' Billy Boy

I miss the good old days...

[AtomicKitten]

38. kick for the Big Dawg

with the greatest respect

and high-five to IChing for this dose of hopeful rumination

[TwentyFive]

40. How can we REPEAL that useless 22nd amendment?

It seems such a waste for BC to not be president again. I hope the Democrats win in 2006 and then repeal the repeal the 22nd amendment.

Never has there been such a great and well qualified person to lead this country.

[Lochloosa]

42. DAMN!...i miss my President

[bigbrother05]

44. KandR

[Vox_Reason]

45. I just transcribed the complete text

PM me if you would like me to send you the Word doc.

A big K&R for the big dawg!

[never cry wolf]

46. Too late for me to R but I can K.... great speech

Lets get rid of presidential term limits, ok?

[bigbrother05]

47. One more kick