I have a message for Lieberman and his supporters:

[fujiyama]

TAKE YOUR RW TALKING POINTS ELSEWHERE. I am so fucking tired of hearing how since I don't support Bush's failed war, all of a sudden I am a pansy and am willing to surrender to "Islamofascists".

Guess what?

I support secular values.

I recognize terrorism to be a threat. And Al Qaeda, contrary to what you may believe, DOES NOT = IRAQ.

Yeah, as long as you claim Joe is "strong on security", I'll make it clear that Iraq has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

[fooj]

1. Joe isn't strong on security.

He's a ranking member of Homeland Security and STILL ONLY 10% of the baggage in this country in checked and scanned at the airport. Keep taking people's Chapstick away...but don't worry about all of the luggage in the belly of a plane. Screw him. Treasonous, rat bastard.

Joe is so strong on security that he's buddies with f*cking Rove. That treasonous rat bastard outed a covert CIA operative. HIs "buddy" completely destroyed any semblance of intelligence we had in Iran. Sure. I feel MUCH safer because of the lying asshole.

[Zorra]

2. "TAKE YOUR RW TALKING POINTS ELSEWHERE" n/t

[flyarm]

3. MESSAGE FOR LIEBERMAN..WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE GREATEST FAILURE

OF NATIONAL SECURITY ON MAINLAND USA??

AND KILLED MY CO-WORKERS...

LITTLE LORD PISSY PANTS..AND LIEBERMAN!!

NOT LAMONT!

FLY

[Duke Newcombe]

5. A Little too soone, mebee?

Um...methinks that for Lamont, being a selectman in a county does not give one much opportunity to affect (or screw up) national security decisions...just sayin'...

Let's actually see if he wins the damn thing before we begin lionizing him...

Duke

[Duke Newcombe]

4. Repub talking points?...

I was under the mistaken impression that Islamic fascists and those that directly OR indirectly supported them in their twisted wishes for the demise of Democrats, Republicans, or any other infidels were problematic--and needed to be subject to more accountability than
"Please leave us alone...or we'll threaten to warn you to leave us alone again"...my bad.

OTOH, is it only me who's bothered about Lieberman's waiting SOOOOO DANG LONG to criticize Bush's execution of the Iraq War and lack of a post invasion plan? "Mission Accomplished", indeed...

Duke

[w4rma]

6. Islamic fundamentalists is the honest term. It's the term they call

themselves. Its the term that defines them best.

Also it doesn't tar the whole religion of Islam. Sure islamic fundamentalists do have many of the same characteristics of fascists, but I don't use the term for the same reason that I don't call the Christian fundamentalists "Christian fascists". I think it tars a whole religion.

[Duke Newcombe]

7. Fascism fits and describes the behavior...

...while not "broad-brushing" the whole religion.

just sayin'

Duke

---U.S. Politics is like a turf war between the Crips and Bloods, except with better clothes and a health plan--

[w4rma]

8. Islamic fundamentalism fits and describes the behavior...

...while not "broad-brushing" the whole religion.

just sayin'

[Duke Newcombe]

9. you say "tomatoe"...

Let's call the whole thing off, m'kay??

duke

[w4rma]

10. I'm just saying, why would you want to anger non-fundamentalist Muslims?

by using the term Islamofascist which they don't like. If you use the term "Islamic fundamentalist" then both the Islamic fundamentalists (who call themselves fundamentalists) and the non-fundamentalists will know exactly who you are talking about. There is no reason to stir up any more anger within a group of people.

Using terms that tar them all is a great way to unite them all against you.

[Duke Newcombe]

11. we wouldn't wanna unite them all against us...

...that'd be like..oh...right now?

Btw...Inever used the term "Islamofascist"...please re-read my posts...

duke

[w4rma]

12. Muslims aren't united against America.

Muslim fundamentalists appear to be united against America. But most Muslims aren't fundamentalists and aren't interested in cleansing the world of non-Muslims.

I will state the caveat that Muslims are probably united wanting to see bigoted Republicans out of power in America, just as African-Americans and a majority of Jews and hispanics are, also.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

19. No, it doesn`t.

Fascism = militarism + nationalism + corporate oligarchy. It's sometimes secular, sometimes religious.

Religious fundamentalism is a different kind of evil. For one thing, it doesn't care much about economics one way or the other.

[Duke Newcombe]

22. Point _arguably_ made, but...

...from Wikipedia:

Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.

Fascism, of the Islamic flavor meets all but perhaps one of the criteria (corporatism). Corporatism would not come into full flower until the Caliphate is restored, at which time, control of resources would come into play. This is the ultimate goal of the "true-believer" Islamic Fascist.

BTW, as far as painting with broad brushes and what not...note that I don't leap to the unsound assumption that all (or even most) Islamic Fundamentalists are willing to make the final step to Fascism.

[Crunchy Frog]

13. I want to know whether these rules are actually in effect.

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Do not post broad-brush smears against Democrats or the Democratic Party.

So far they don't seem to be.

[MercutioATC]

14. Agreed.

I imagine it's something the mods and admins are discussing, though.

[Arugula Latte]

15. Our message back must be: Iraq made us LESS safe.

Turn it on 'em. Loudly. Keep is simple.

[SaveElmer]

16. If you don't like them...

The hide thread and ignore features work quite well...

[MercutioATC]

18. Actually, most of those pro-Lieberman points violate the rules here.

No need to "ignore" if some Lieberman supporters would abide by DU's rules.

[SaveElmer]

20. It's only against the rules...

To advocate for the election of a non-Democrat. It is not against the rules to agree with them on one issue or another...

ANd as I know that people will interpret this as a pro-Lieberman post, I was supporting Lamont. I just don't like people who don't like a point of view telling another member to "take it elsewhere"

[MercutioATC]

21. Like this:????

"I support Lieberman's independent bid up until the time it becomes clear he can't win and his presence on the ballot means a Republican win."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2772240&mesg_id=2773412

[SaveElmer]

23. Yep...nt

[hijinx87]

17. NOTHING makes the rethugs happier . . .

than democrats turning on each other.

shit like this is playing into their hands.