Losing with Class: Joe didn't, and neither did Cynthia:

[T Town Jake]

http://www.11alive.com/specials/local/decision2006/decision_article.aspx?storyid=83138

We Democrats need to put the primary divisions aside, and come together for November. It's called inter-party comity for the common good of America - something both Joe & Cynthia seem to have forgotten tonight.

[Critters2]

1. Well said

Recommended

[RethugAssKicker]

2. How did Mckinney take it?

[timontheleft]

6. It was strange

See link.

[petgoat]

27. "See link" is right. The defense to the charge that most of Johnson's

funds came from Republicans is that the money "came from the district".

[Awsi Dooger]

7. She didn't even have the class to mention Johnson by name

Sorry, but our two losers revealed plenty about themselves tonight in the so-called concession speeches: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/elections/entries/2006/08/09/mckinney_losing.html

"Before she spoke, McKinney played “Dear Mr. President,” an anti-President Bush song by artist Pink.

Her remarks were less a concession speech than a protest of the war in Iraq. She also touched on other familiar themes including her distrust of electronic voting and the media.

“I want to declare tonight that I stand with the families of our hurt soldiers and the hundreds of thousands of innocent hurt and dead Iraqis….My new friends are the mothers who have lost their sons in George Bush’s war. And we say to them hold fast to your faith…we will make this stand with you, you are not alone.”

She did not mention Johnson by name, but ended her remarks by saying: “I wish the new representative for the Fourth Congressional district well.”

[Renew Deal]

8. That's nothing

the fight is the real disgrace.

[oasis]

17. Johnson's such a dullard, we'll all forget his name before long.

:boring:

[Maraya1969]

18. There is a thread on Diebold and McKinney on the Greatest page

Maybe we should all wait and see what really happened before we judge her.

[mhatrw]

35. A story about more Diebold "technical problems"

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=83122

Vote Count in DeKalb Delayed

Technical problems in DeKalb County are delaying the vote count there, including vote count reports in the U.S. House District 4 race between incumbent Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and Hank Johnson.

Poll workers were having difficulty uploading memory cards from electronic voting machines, said Chris Riggall, a spokesman for the Georgia Secretary of State's office.

It is not known how long it will take to get vote totals from DeKalb County.

[CottonBear]

60. The Dekalb County vote will not be certified until Friday.

Each county certifies the vote and sends a digital file via state patrol car (and not via modem or internet) to the Sec. of State's office for final tabulation. I know this becaue I just spoke this morning with the head of elections in my GA county about Diebold and voting security, tabulation and vote certification. A-CC will not certify before Friday to make sure that all overseas ballots, absentee and provisional ballots are counted.

[Renew Deal]

3. What a disgrace.

Good riddance

[JeffR]

4. Agreed

Hard to find much dignity tonight. Damn them uppity voters.

[daveskilt]

5. didnt expect or get any class from either of them nt

[oasis]

9. Hard to be nice when someone knocks your mom in the head with

t.v. equipment. But that's just me (and Cynthia's staff).

[T Town Jake]

11. Uh-huh. Except NO ONE did that...

...McKinney and her violent supporters were simply consumed with resentment and the desire to lash out in the wake of their candidate's well-deserved defeat, as any sensible person can easily deduce from the story.

But that's just what anyone with an IQ broaching the low eighties can clearly see, including me...

[oasis]

15. Link says so. read it, you posted it.

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[oasis]

26. You're saying the link says nothing about her mother and a staffer

being hurt by the media? You'd better clean your screen or put on some contact lenses.

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[oasis]

32. Your opinion and the content of the link are as different as night and day

But, to be fair, I'll give you the rest of the night to read it properly.

Goodnight.:hi:

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[T Town Jake]

78. I read it properly alright...

...and it still reads as follows: Cynthia McKinney is the kind of "progressive" the Democratic Party does not need. In point of fact, she's no kind of liberal or "progressive," period. Simply a proved liar surrounded by goons.

Now, go weepy-weep in your soup about your fallen hero elsewhere. Thanks.

[T Town Jake]

82. I'm saying ANY pronouncement emanating from the McKinney campaign...

...is suspect - and any statement in such matters as that link discusses made by her thuggy staff is most probably made up of LIES.

Don't like that analysis? Too bad. Deal with it.

[T Town Jake]

88. I'm saying ANY source from the McKinney camp that's "quoted"...

...should be regarded in light of the fact that almost every one of them are simpering liars for their now-defeated hero.

Deal with it.

[T Town Jake]

80. The Link says nothing of the sort - unless you accept DEFEATED...

...primary candidate McKinney's dubious word.

And decent people everywhere and just about anywhere don't...

Please try again. ...(snicker)....

[T Town Jake]

87. Link says nothing of the sort - it simply reports a story...

...and quotes members of the McKinney campaign, which is always a dubious source of truth.

Try again.

[michreject]

54. I read the link

And didn't read that part.

Will you please point that part out.

[eridani]

10. Levers are different than touchscreens

I hope McKinney raises a huge stink about that regardless of whether it changes the results or not.

[T Town Jake]

12. Good luck with that lame excuse:

http://www.sos.state.ga.us/elections/election_results/2006_0808/02002.htm

Somewhere in an alternate universe...(snicker)...

[petgoat]

24. I guess you don't know about Diebold in GA in 2002, Jake.

There's a chapter about it in "Black Box Voting"

GA bought Diebold machines statewide that year. A number
of machines were stolen from hotels where they were set up
for testing.

A few weeks before the election, Diebold techs installed
illegal software patches in the machines. They sat around
in the lunchroom debating whether to tell the Secy of State
about it.

Though in the last pre-election poll Dems led by wide margins,
there was a stunning upset victory for the Repubs as Guv and
Senator.

Cynthia is a courageous leader. Her investigations of the
2000 election irregularities in FL got Choicepoint to finger
Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush re: the phony felons list.

Read Greg Palast's "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy"

[T Town Jake]

28. I guess you don't know about reality in GA in 2006, goat...

...and the reality is as follows:

http://www.sos.state.ga.us/elections/election_results/2006_0808/02002.htm

Peddle that goofy conspiracy nonsense to someone who cares. I don't.

[eridani]

39. Give me a good reason why anyone should believe that n/t

[T Town Jake]

41. Give me a good reason why anyone should believe the sky is blue...

...and, in the meantime, look into what is required regarding the acquisition of a GED.

Right easy, I've heard, if one applies themselves...

[eridani]

45. I can see that the sky is blue

I can't see electrons. Can you?

[petgoat]

47. That's not a goofy conspiracy theory. That's a stunning Republican

upset victory after the installation of illegal software
in the voting machines.

How dumb do you think we are?

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[michreject]

55. Your mistaken

If you were correct, every other word would be either "pant load", "pop gun", "nazi NRA" or "according to Sarah Brady/VPC.

I detected no venom in the post you refered to.:)

[CottonBear]

63. Do you live in GA? I do.

Have you met SoS Cathy Cox? I have. Have you spoken with your local board of elections chair? I have this very AM re: Diebold and election fraud and vote tabulation and certification procedures. I have also met the current governor (twice) and spoken with Lt. Gov. Mark Taylor about Diebold and voter rights, party switching, etc.

I voted for Max Cleland in 2002 and there is no way statistically that he could have lost unless there was election fraud via Diebold.

[eridani]

37. Why should I believe any election result--

--which is arrived at by invisible electronic processes owned by private corporations? It may correspond to the actual result, or it may not. There is no way of knowing either way. If she'd won, her opponent probably wouldn't say boo, which is unfortunate.

[T Town Jake]

42. Don't believe ANYTHING if you wish - and see if I say "boo!"...

...or give a flying fuck.

[petgoat]

74. Aw, don't go all intellectual on us. Or dazzle us with your technical

knowledge about the non-hackability of electronic voting systems.

[T Town Jake]

84. I wouldn't go "intellectual" on you, Pet, rest assured...

...wasting time is not in my nature as a rule, after all.

[petgoat]

19. I'm kinda scared that Rove wants to link the touchscreen issue to

McKinney, so as to wrap it in tinfoil.

Were I Cynthia's advisor, I might counsel "Think of
the big picture and let this go." Sometimes in chess
one must sacrifice the Queen.

Cynthia will be back!

[eridani]

38. Dems have been basing their strategy on what Rove might do

--for too goddam long, IMO.

[mhatrw]

33. Yep.

Gwinnett County 7/18 election:

1208 Johnson+Coyne
836 McKinney

Gwinnett County 8/8 election:

1583 Johnson (up 22.4% compared to Johnson+Coyne 21 days ago)
528 Mckinney (down 36.8% compared to 21 days ago)

Rockdale County 7/18 election:

3031 Johnson+Coyne
1592 McKinney

Rockdale County 8/8 election:

4325 Johnson (up 42.7% compared to Johnson+Coyne 21 days ago)
1320 Mckinney (down 17.1% compared to 21 days ago)

DeKalb County 7/18 election:

28533 Johnson+Coyne
26788 McKinney

DeKalb County 8/8 election:

35270 Johnson (up 23.6% compared to Johnson+Coyne 21 days ago)
26984 Mckinney (up 0.7% compared to 21 days ago)

It was quite a Diebolding.

[eridani]

36. Why would you believe those results?

You have special goggles that let you see electrons whirl around or something? If she wants to use her loss to fight back against secret election software owned by private companies, I'm down with that.

[mhatrw]

56. What makes you think I believe the results?

On the contrary, these Diebold generated numbers definitely strain my credulity.

[eridani]

68. OK, sorry. Probably was trying to respond to some other subthread

[oasis]

13. Cynthia's staff defended her space. So what?

[T Town Jake]

30. "Defended" her space about like she slapped that cop...

...yep, she's just a regular American hero...:sarcasm:

[petgoat]

44. Cynthia is an American Hero. Why don't you come clean about just

what exactly is your problem with her?

[liberalhistorian]

71. How about this? She's a juvenile who

can't control her arrogance and her temper, who has a complete lack of tact and sensitivity, who cannot accept responsibility for any of her actions but instead chooses to play the race and/or conspiracy card, an anti-semite who blamed her loss two years ago on Jews, in short, classless, tasteless, tactless, graceless, and now, quite deservedly, office-less. A complete disgrace to the Democratic party.

[petgoat]

92. Now why someone from Rapid City should get all righteous about the

personal style of a Congressional Representative from Atlanta
is a mystery to me. It's not like she raped a babysitter
or drove drunk past a stop sign.

[T Town Jake]

75. Cynthia is an American asshat. Why don't YOU come clean about just

what exactly is your problem with reality?

[petgoat]

90. Republicans fear her because she has the guts to challenge them.

See her in action questining Rummy here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA

Upon what sources do you base your opinion of her?

[Zhade]

51. There's no evidence she slapped a cop. NONE.

She never apologized for slapping anyone, police refused to show the tape, grand jury found the charges baseless - nothing happened.

Yet you tell OTHERS not to lie.

[Blue_Tires]

52. yeah, i always wondered

if that tape was going to be released

[T Town Jake]

76. LOL...there is plenty of evidence about her foul-tempered assault of...

...a police officer alright. And only the terminally ignorant or willfully blind deny it.

Whither is Zhade in that category? ...(snicker)...

[CottonBear]

64. She did not slap a cop. n/t

[T Town Jake]

77. Oh yes she did. And those who claim otherwise are simply lying.

(n/t)

[petgoat]

91. What is your evidence? You know better than the Grand Jury? nt

[GreenTea]

14. Get real....100% Diebold in Georgia-Fucking a senator who lost 3 limbs

was projected as not enough of a patriot---still believing Bush/Rove...Swift Boat bullshit...Georgia 100% Diebold...Get it YET!!!!

So, these methodical fucks are going to continue to pretend the elections are fair & "normal" as they steal it across this nation...to desperately steal the much needed majority...Yes. They will...GET FUCKING real or (at the very least) please...WAKE UP!!!!!

[oasis]

16. Max Cleland got Diebolded in 2002 for sure.

[T Town Jake]

23. Yeah...a 17 point win by Johnson sure is "proof" of, of, of, of, uh, of...

...something alrighty, sure enough...isn't it?

McKinney was robbed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...(snicker)...

[eridani]

40. How do you know it was a 17 point win?

You have superpowers that allow you to see electrons?

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[eridani]

46. Well, I read that WMD have been found in Iraq--

--and that Iraqis flew the planes into WTC. I don't believe those assertions just because they have appeared in print.

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[eridani]

53. Unfortunately, a natural consequence of being confronted with reality

--and that reality is that there is no reason to believe any result coming from an all DRE election, period. And I'd say the same if McKinney had "won".

[Kurovski]

65. Either that, or an attempt to stamp-out a reality one fears or resists,

or is complicit with.

If there is no way to monitor an election, there is no way to trust the result. It's just a fact.

[Zodiak]

58. Learn some tact

T-town, your behavior on this thread is reprehensible.

[liberalhistorian]

72. A McKinney supporter lecturing others

about "tact?" Now, that's really a good one!

[T Town Jake]

79. LOL! - exactly right.

(n/t)

[T Town Jake]

86. Waaaaaaaaaaahhhh!...

...your weepy cluck-clucking is duly noted.

...(snicker)....

[T Town Jake]

83. Here ya go:

http://www.11alive.com/specials/local/decision2006/runoff/race.asp?id=5001

Ah, hell!!! It's not 17% after all! More like 18%...

...(snicker)....

[Hosnon]

57. I don't think the Cleland election was Diebolded...it was just a

disgusting campaign that worked on many voters in Georgia.

[eridani]

67. How do you know?

Can you see electrons?

[LittleClarkie]

73. He didn't say he knew. He said he thought.

As in an opinion.

[Hosnon]

89. Thank you :) nt.

[Trajan]

20. I see some of your responses ....

being as mean-spirited as what you complain about ....

I am glad for the results tonight .... but are you showing 'class' on this thread ? ....

Hmmmmmmmm .... valid question .....

Let's not be hypocrites .....

Ok ? .....

[ToeBot]

22. McKinney's running as an independent? I missed that announcement. eom

[lebkuchen]

25. Should there be term limits?

Otherwise, you end up with multi-termed court holders who consider the position their personal fiefdom and bullypulpit. We've seen enough of that with the GOP--Delay being but one example.

[Rosemary2205]

31. I have a lot of mixed feelings about that

Ideally, government benefits from experience. But with the lobbyists and corporate money corrupting everyone in DC it makes it impossible to get anything decent out of Congress whether they are rookies or old hands. IMHO the real answer is controlling the scumbags that corrupt the process. - but if that isn't going to happen then term limits might have to be plan B

[Blue_Tires]

49. i've long been in favor of them

in fact, i remember that was one of the 10 points of the GOP's 'Contract With America" during the '94 takeover (and it quickly died by early spring '95)....Funny how the GOP always spoke of smaller government, balanced budgets, cutting waste and limiting terms until THEY were the party in power.....

[rinsd]

61. I like long term limits, say 6 terms for House, 3 terms for Senate

That is still 12 and 18 years respectively but there is something to be said for experience in governance. I also feel this would stop the things you mention or at least present a control to them.

[deaniac21]

59. You used Cynthia and class in the same sentence. I don't think

that has ever happened before.

[threadkillaz]

62. True colors shine in defeat.

Get rid of both of them.

Anyone who sings a "Pink" song can start walking.

[petgoat]

94. What's wrong with "Dear Mr. President"? It works for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eDJ3cuXKV4


What do you feel when you see all the homeless on the street
Who do you pray for at night before you go to sleep
What do you feel when you look in the mirror
Are you proud....


What kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say
You've come a long way from whiskey and cocaine....

Let me tell you bout hard work
Minimum wage with a baby on the way
Let me tell you bout hard work
Rebuilding your house after the bombs took them away
Let me tell you bout hard work
Building a bed out of a cardboard box
Let me tell you bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
You don't know nothing bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
Oh

How do you sleep at night
How do you walk with your head held high
Dear Mr. President
You'd never take a walk with me
Would you

[mikeanike]

66. To all of you debating diebold

Did McKinney complain when she won in 04? I know she did in 02. But when the vote works in her favor it isn't a big issue. Sounds more like a sore loser to me. Also let's say that there is a big conspiracy out there. Let's say that the republicans are running the election show and no one is going to get elected without their say so. Does CT use diebold or did they get rid of it? If they do use diebold then why would they let Lamont win? And if they don't then let us swallow the kool-aide for a moment. What counties use electronic and which one's don't? Now something that would be interesting to look at would be the amount of counties that vote Dem that have diebold versus the ones that don't. Does anyone have those figures? Anyway I digress, McKinney was a disgrace. She hit the cop. If you disagree go back and look at the video of her multiple statements regarding the issue, she is good a dancing around the subject but it is usually about her justification when it came to hitting the guy. And if she had wanted to put the issue at rest she could have just apologized, whether she did hit the cop or not.

[eridani]

81. So where's the video of her hitting the cop?

And when were charges filed? Also, the trouble with Diebold is that winners aren't very motivated to challenge invisible elections. If she can successfully go after Diebold and get rid of the damned things, it will have been well worth her loss, IMO.

[eridani]

69. Silver lining--

McKinney will probably get serious about fighting touchscreens now. If she had "won", that is much less likely to have been the case.

[fujiyama]

70. I don't especially like McKinney

and I'm kind of tired of her supporters claiming Diebold stole her election...but as of now, atleast she hasn't decided to run as an independant.

That itself, makes her own strange concession more gracious than that turncoat Lieberman.

[T Town Jake]

85. And Ahhhhk, look at this: "McKinney supporters blame Jews":

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=83191

Why, oh why, am I not surprised? Any McKinney devotees here want to speak up in defense of that?

The excuse meter for such anti-semitic excrement will be pegging the dial limit soon, I'm sure...

[lonestarnot]

93. ok sure, but loser better admit loosing instead of this other

bullshit he's trying to mount.

[McKinneyIsAHero]

95. I saw her concession speech; she wished her opponent well

She even asked him to continue the work she was doing. I don't understand how it is comparable with what Lieberman did, even if unlike Lieberman she was ousted by Republican voters.

[petgoat]

96. McKinney Concession Speech

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/


In the film American Blackout, you saw that I say that my district needs jobs. And so, in partnership with faith-based organizations and labor, I put together a program to train my constituents to acquire the skills for jobs that won't be outsourced overseas, and that pay more than a living wage, with health and retirement benefits. Last month, we took in 500 students. Who at the end of their training will have transportable skills, internationally-recognized certification, and a chance to live the American dream, supporting their families and our community.

The news media didn't tell you about that because they wanted you to focus on my hair!

Tonight my mother was hurt by someone in this room, a member of the press. My staff assistant was hurt by someone in this room, a member of the press.

I first got into trouble when I was compelled in 1991, while serving in the Georgia Legislature, to speak against George Herbert Walker Bush's war against Iraq. And during a point of personal privilege, I declared that I could not support *any* of George Bush's reasons for war.

My colleagues got up and walked out on me, I was vilified in the press, and compared to Julian Bond, who too had spoken out against an unjust war.

Ladies and gentlemen, there comes a time when people of conscience are compelled to dissent.

Bobby Kennedy said, "The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country."

We love our country, and that is why we dissent: because we care.

We care about the dignity of all the world's people.

We care about minimum wage workers; we care about no wage workers;

we care about the homeless--too many of whom are veterans;

we want a healthy future for all our children;

we want our seniors to live in dignity.

Our country is too rich to tolerate such poverty in our midst.

We have more to give to our people and the world than DynCorp, Halliburton, and the Carlyle Group.

We care about the air and the earth and the water. And so we reject George Bush's science lessons that distort the facts and justify policies that support drilling for oil in Alaska; exacerbate global warming; and allow more human consumption of known toxins and pollutants.

We care about the projection of US power around the world. Either we can be a force for good in the world; or we can rely on force and upset the world.

Sadly, this Administration has chosen the latter.

At a time when this country has failed to train enough certified teachers to educate our children, George Bush is spending billions, nearly one trillion, dollars for war. And in a point of personal privilege right now I echo what Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "A time comes when silence is betrayal; we are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for the victims of our nation, for those it calls 'enemy.'"

One year to the day before Dr. King was murdered, he declared that the greatest purveyor of violence in the world was his own country.

With Israel's invasion of Lebanon, there might even be a call for more US or UN troops to be stationed in the Middle East, we--here tonight--say to our Commander-in-Chief: Sir, No Sir.

And so, before we engage in yet more war, I declare tonight that we stand with the families of our hurt soldiers and the hundreds of thousands of innocent hurt and dead Iraqis.

We stand with the homeless Vietnam and Gulf War veterans.

We stand with the Agent Orange victims and the 160,000 sick Gulf War veterans.

We stand with the 37,000 green card soldiers, not even citizens, but willing to trade their lives for a chance to live and work in America because our foreign policy has failed to uplift their hopes and aspirations in their own countries.

Dr. King told us that in order to stop the madness we would have to match actions with words. Mario Savio before that told us that we have to put our very bodies against the wheels and the gears and the levers of the machine and we have to say to those who own it, that they must stop it, or we will stop it.

Tonight I am joined by noted men and women activists who have put their bodies against the wheels and the gears and the levers of the machine and they are trying to stop it. They are not tricked by red herrings that the corporate media throw to us. They are focused on our objective to make America a better country.

Something is happening around the world: countries with little or nothing are standing up, rising up against the utter and complete domination.

Thank goodness for the people in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Cuba, Venezuela, Malaysia, all standing up and speaking for the weak and the voiceless in their countries. A change is sweeping the world. And America must not be left out.

So my new friends are the mothers who have lost their sons in George Bush's war and we say to them hold fast to your faith--your suffering will not be a stumbling block for us. We will make this stand with you--you are not alone.

Denise Thomas, daughter went to Iraq once and when they tried to send her a second time, Mama got political. She's now the founder of the Georgia Chapter of Military Families Speak Out. First told her story at a prayer vigil organized by Ann Mauney. Prayed at by Reverend Timothy McDonald.

Then one mother who wasn't so lucky. She couldn't save her son from the War Machine. The first Georgia soldier to die in Iraq came from the 4th District. Patricia Roberts, Jamal Addison's mother, now politically active and my new friend.

Another mother, lost her son, Casey, and decided to take her case directly to President Bush. Cindy Sheehan.

There's something special about these women. Their names aren't Deborah, or Esther, or Ruth. But they are women for these times. Women, called to make peaceful revolution.

President Kennedy warned us that "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

Electronic voting machines are a threat to our democracy!

So let the word go out: we aren't going to tolerate any more stolen elections; we're watching you. And we want our leaders back--or we will become the leaders.

And not only do we want our country back, we want our Party back.

There *is* a growing force for peace in this country. And the peace movement that we are building is backed by millions of young people. I want to thank the hundreds of people who volunteered in our campaign, especially the young people who were excited about getting involved in something good.

Thank you all for a lot of hard work, thank you for the thousands of volunteer hours, thank you for helping to make a stand in Georgia.

I wish the new representative for the 4th Congressional District well.