Does the loss of Centrist DLCer Joe Lieberman hurt Hillary

[LincolnMcGrath]

Did the Presidential Aspirations party end for Hillary tonight?

Please refrain from voting if the above statement is not clear enough!

[brooklynite]

1. Sorry, but Tasini isn't Ned Lamont

He'll pick up a few points, but he doesn't have the money to campaign, and Hillary isn't a strident supporter of the war like Joe is.

[LincolnMcGrath]

2. Er, Um, Yeah

I'm thinking about the future, like Hillary.

[Union Thug]

3. Yes. And I hope Hillary and the DLC are listening.

Time to end corporate rule in OUR party. Buh-bye traitors. I hope this is just the beginning.

[TwentyFive]

6. Corporate Kiss Asses - look out!!! We're coming to get you.

You can't take bucket loads corporate money and then vote the will of the people. Ned Lamont's victory proves that elections can be won with grassroots support and progressive stances.

[LincolnMcGrath]

7. Or in some Senator's case, take bucket loads corporate money

and then not vote the will of the people, heck not even vote at all.

[Starlight]

41. I suspect they're sweating and rethinking their positions.

:kick: :woohoo:

[saltpoint]

4. I don't think Lieberman's cluelessness applies to many other

Dem senators.

Senator Clinton enjoys undiminished support downstate and significant support upstate, and is poised for a huge win over Tasini (who would be my personal choice in the primary) and over any hapless Republican the state GOP can throw at her in November.

Her name WILL be coming up on Nov. 8th as a big, big winner and as someone immediately positioned for higher office.

Tasini's got the good heart but the political landscape before him is much steeper.

[countmyvote4real]

5. I hope so. And Tasini isn't self funded like Lamont.

Still, I am voting for him in the NY Primary because like Lamont, his views represent mine more than Lieberman or H. Clinton.

[readmoreoften]

73. I think it's important to get every Tasini vote possible just to...

send a message.

If winning a primary with 3.75 million dollars and no incumbency instead of 6 million dollars and complete institutional support is a shake up, I imagine that winning 25% of the vote with no debates and and a $150,000 war chest will send a message as well.

[Snivi Yllom]

81. if Hillary's opponent had Lamont's $ she could be in trouble

Instead, she will coast to victory.

[oasis]

8. #1:Hill isn't Joe. #2 Hill's organization isn't Joe's organization.(n/t)

[LincolnMcGrath]

10. Hill=DLC......Check

Hill=Centrist......Check



Joe=DLC......Check


Joe=Centrist......Check

[oasis]

16. Hill can still attract a slew of independents by 2008. She doesn't need

the so called 20% Dem base. Certainly not the entire base.

[LincolnMcGrath]

24. There is a headline: Hillary doesn't need Democrats to win!

[oasis]

33. She doesn't need "dead weight" Democrats dragging her down.

[Pepper32]

34. ...

:wtf:

Good to know that.

[LincolnMcGrath]

38. Nice huh?

Dead Weight

[Pepper32]

43. Yes, nice and snobby

That comment(dead weight) certainly does not help Hillary's image at all.

Nail meet coffin.

[oasis]

54. I'm sure Hillary would be thrilled if 100 percent of Dems voted for her.

That said, do you think she'll bend over backwards trying to get every last lefty on board? Some of them need to wake up and smell the coffee.

[LincolnMcGrath]

57. What coffee is that?

A special morning dead weight blend?

[oasis]

59. A "reality" blend.

Good to the very last drop. And you actually get somewhere. :think:

[LincolnMcGrath]

61. Got that America? "If you don't like Hillary, you must have problems with

reality!" :think:

Another winner slogan.

[oasis]

64. Here's a better slogan: Embrace reality, reduce problems.(n/t)

[LincolnMcGrath]

68. Joe Liebeman embraced reality tonight.

[oasis]

70. Hillpac just cut Lamont a check for $5,000. I'm feelin' all warm 'n fuzzy.

How about you?

[readmoreoften]

75. But why should she? Lamont is part of the 20% of dems who don't matter.

Okay I'll stop posting: TTAMAIMLLO

[Pepper32]

71. ROFL n/t

[readmoreoften]

74. Is that the same blend that took the primary from Lieberman?

That "I don't need the Democrats blend"?

Hey, Hillary really wants to get on that board. Oh, and independents LOVE Hillary. (snicker)

[The Magistrate]

9. Sen. Clinton, Sir, Will Win Her Primary Handily

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[oasis]

20. You shouldlLearn to respect other posters.

sir

Edit to add: The Magistrate is one of the most well read members of our DU community. But you knew that.

[LincolnMcGrath]

22. I'm thinking you could find a 'right of center' centrist or two to pester

about behavior on DU.

snicker... :shrug:

[Name removed]

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[LincolnMcGrath]

31. Now I'm Mussolini?

:rofl:

[LincolnMcGrath]

37. So he gets special treatment? Get real. Go back to calling me Mussolini.

The Magistrate is no more or less special than any other DUer.

[oasis]

42. Do you believe that extending "common courtesy" is "special treatment"?

:eyes:

P.S. I did not call you Mussolini. With all due respect, maybe you should learn to read.;-)

[LincolnMcGrath]

47. Go back to calling me Mussolini

[readmoreoften]

76. Hey Mussolini, good to see you.

Pleasant Day we're having in GD politics, isn't it. Lovely weather lately.

--Stalin

[LincolnMcGrath]

79. Give my fat fascist ass a hug, won't you!

:hi:

[norml]

25. I think TM can read, and I think they think what I think of your question

and poll, as per post #18.

[LincolnMcGrath]

26. Then why not let him speak for himself?

[oasis]

30. He's not going to dignify your disrepect with a response. Get real.

:eyes:

[LincolnMcGrath]

32. More likely he preemptively struck a thread before reading the OP.

Is the Primary mentioned in the OP anywhere? Do I need to make the font any larger? Why don't you get real?

[oasis]

35. "preemptively" or not. That does not excuse your rudeness. Would

you talk that way to a union brother?

[The Magistrate]

40. The Only Important Element In Sen. Clinton's Prospects, Sir

Is the current Senatorial race. The defeat of Lieberman in this primary will have no measureable impact on the Presidential primary two years from now, and my vote in your poll was made accordingly. My comment engaged the only element of the situation that seemed worth addressing.

[LincolnMcGrath]

45. Nice try, but I ain't buying it.

Bookmarking this part though. sir


The defeat of Lieberman in this primary will have no measureable impact on the Presidential primary two years from now,

[The Magistrate]

51. Your Purchases, Sir, Are Of No Consequence To Me

Bought a can of dolmades spiced with mint earlier today, myself: made a dandy lunch....

[man4allcats]

12. JMHO, but I don't think it will hurt her.

Hillary is smart - smart enough to know that her fortunes will, to a large extent, depend on what she does next. I think her take down of Rummy last week is an indication of that. Once she would have been my choice for '08. I would not choose her now (I'd love to see Al Gore as the candidate if I thought he were really interested in it.), but I will enthusiastically support her if she gets the nomination.

[LincolnMcGrath]

19. She better be smart if she is to craft an

"I'm a less right of center candidate than that other right of center candidate you don't like" image.

[The Magistrate]

36. Very Few Voters, Sir

Consider Sen. Clinton right of center. Most of the country considers her to be a figure decidedly on the left. The occassional postures she strikes that move some here to denounce her as a rightist are calculated to get many of those persons to think along the lines of "Hell, if that's a leftist, I got no quarrel with that." The view that is wide-spread among the general populace is important in national political life; the view that is wide-spread among a small segment viewing itself as the keepers of the left flame is not particularly important in national political life. The numbers are not there to grant it such importance.

[LincolnMcGrath]

55. You need to make up you mind.

The Only Important Element In Sen. Clinton's Prospects, Sir

Sound familiar?

Now you are going on about her national political life and what most of the country thinks of her? :rofl:

[The Magistrate]

62. If You Think 26 Point Type, Sir, Lends Substance To Your Effort Here

Suit yourself.

[LincolnMcGrath]

66. If you think annoying linguistic gimmickry lends substance to your effort

here, Suit yourself.

Now, pick one.

"The Only Important Element In Sen. Clinton's Prospects, Sir
Is the current Senatorial race."


or


"Most of the country considers her..." "The view that is wide-spread among the general populace is important in national political life"..."not particularly important in national political life."

[boolean]

13. Don't call him a centrist

He's a conservative. It's time for us to take back not only the country, but also the language.

[LincolnMcGrath]

15. Agreed

[Bucky]

52. On gay rights, tax cuts, environmental legislation, unions, he's liberal

Yeh, he's a centrist. Stylistically, I agree that he panders right. When they cast votes, he gets 75% liberal ratings. I'd call that centrist.

[LincolnMcGrath]

58. It is WHAT they vote on that matters as well, no?

as a for instance, There has been very little pro-worker legislation come down the pike for a long time. How hard can it be to get a good score form pro-worker groups?

[readmoreoften]

77. Meanwhile his smooching buddy decimates workers rights.

I'll give him a point for the civil union compromise and a two points for abortion. Minus a point on the war, minus a point on academic freedom, minus a point on CAFTA, and minus 50 points for running as an independent.

[election_2004]

14. Only if Hillary endorses Joementum

If Sen. Clinton gives her endorsement to Lieberman for the General Election, that could cause even more obstacles in terms of her presidential ambitions.

However, I believe she will endorse Lamont.

[CrushTheDLC]

17. Hopefully it will prove to be the mortal wound to the DLC itself.

And the resurrection of the real Democratic party.

And you may say I'm a dreamer but ....... ah hell, just look at the avatar <---- <-----

[norml]

18. What a stupid question and poll. Hillary Clinton isn't running for Pres.

Hillary Clinton's never ran for President.

Hillary Clinton's never going to run for President.

The right wing media whores have been saying "Hillary's Running for President!" for the past 15 years, in order to paint her as power mad, make Bill look weak, and detract from her accomplishments.

It's only because of their repetitions, that this nonsense even gets mentioned.

Bets?

Anyone?

[LincolnMcGrath]

21. And her 40 million dollar war chest is for what exactly?

:shrug:

[norml]

39. That's not much more than will be spent in the Nebraska Senate race.

Nelson, Ricketts poised to break spending record

LINCOLN (AP) -- Democrat Ben Nelson and Republican challenger Pete Ricketts are poised to break a spending record for a U.S. Senate race in Nebraska -- a contest that could tip the scales for party control of the Senate.

With nearly four months to go to the general election, they have spent a total of more than $9 million, according to campaign finance reports filed with the Federal Election Commission.

In fact, until the past week or so, Ricketts and the Democratic Party were spending heavily on TV advertising following the May 9 primary -- something that historically tapers off immediately after most primary elections.

Ricketts spent $2.6 million during the reporting period, which ran from April 1 through June 30. Nelson, who is seeking a second term, spent $2.2 million in the period.

In Nebraska's 1988 Senate race, Bob Kerrey, a Democrat and former governor, defeated Republican U.S. Sen. David Karnes in a race where the candidates spent a combined $7 million.


snip


http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2006/07/15/news/nebraska/16befacae51fb242862571ac00122dfe.txt

Maybe she's going to use her "war chest" to stay in the Senate, hire good staffers, and perhaps help other candidates.

[Bucky]

49. I just love deadpan humor

She sure acts like she's running. If she's not, it's still a pretty smart thing to do. But, man, it really looks like she is.

[norml]

72. HillPAC cuts a check for $5000 to Lamont's campaign...

Breaking News: First Democratic Leader Steps Up
By: John Amato on Tuesday, August 8th, 2006 at 9:38 PM - PDT
In a C&L exclusive,

A check from Hillary Clinton’s HILLPAC is being cut to Ned Lamont for five thousand dollars. She’s the first one to be counted on and make good on her promise to support the winner of the Connecticut primary.

snip

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/08/08/breaking-news-first-dem-leader-steps-up/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2766979

[unkachuck]

23. yes....

....I'm sort of curious whether she is going to hunker-down or come our way....

[Critters2]

27. Centrist?!!!

He's no more a Centrist than I'm Osama bin Ladin (I'm not, just to be clear)!

[LincolnMcGrath]

29. "Right of Center" Centrist?

I agree with you on the language ownership, though.

[Bucky]

44. Sorry. Van Helsing might kill 2 vampires w/one stake. We need more tries.

Or let's apply the Batman rule of fighting villains. First you take out the henchmen, then you go after the boss. Tonight we locked up the Riddler. The Joker is still in the White House and the Catwoman is still our frontrunner.

[LincolnMcGrath]

60. No you didn't!

lol

[Guaranteed]

46. No, it doesn't hurt her. It's going to help her- by waking her up.

We're giving her a helpful nudge. A little kick in the ass.

[LincolnMcGrath]

48. That could be

[Pepper32]

50. I hope you're right, n/t

[IChing]

65. Me too, I think this could be the provebial straw

that broke the back of the DLC.

I Await tomorrow, the DLC's position of their former DLC's chairman's position
on the Democratic Party. The Democratic response and condemnation of Joe, heavy talk,
not just, OK it is a free society, and JOE....bla.bla.bla.


Ned lamont can be voted out too!!!!!!!!!!!........if he doesn't work out.
We decide.

[fujiyama]

53. It may hurt her presidential ambitions

She knows she can't continue to ignore the core constituency. As for her senate run, she has 33 million dollars.

Do you think she's worried about her senate seat? Tasini isn't going to win.

[rpannier]

56. Not really.

A lot can change in 2 years.

[Capn Sunshine]

63. wrong about one thing

The CENTRIST won tonight. The right wing corporatists didn't do so well.

[LincolnMcGrath]

67. Agreed

[readmoreoften]

78. Yes, a centrist dem won tonight. Good point. /nt

[The Magistrate]

69. An Excellent Point, Captain

The leftism of Mr. Lamont is somewhat oversold.

[LincolnMcGrath]

80. Tea Time Kick