Wow! HIllary hated by Democrats? can this be true?

[lonehalf]

Is this pollster really telling the truth?

Does anyone have any confirmation?

http://news.bostonherald.com/columnists/view.bg?articleid=151737

[YOY]

1. Many of us here dislike her hawkish point of view

I personally like her b/c she panders to the idiots of this country with stupid issues.

[uppityperson]

2. Some Democrats like her, some do not.

[oasis]

3. Hill'll be our nominee, but I'll confirm that she's hated by DUcrats.

[rep the dems]

10. You're right about the 2nd part.

[Bucky]

14. And look at the nasty unflattering picture of her run with that story

She's being foisted on us by all the wrong people for all the wrong reasons.
She'd be better than any Republican, no doubt. If she's nominated, I'll work my ass off for her. But I'm certain she's not our strongest or best candidate in what could be the 2nd most important election of our lifetimes. (And this follows our "losing" the first most important election in 2004).

[MODemocrat]

This DUer truly likes "her"

I get tired of democrats eating their own. Why not concentrate on just trying to get some of the
dumb ass repubs out of office? We're really in serious trouble with the warmongers running our country. They're running us right into a deep deep deep ditch, and everyone's complaining about
Hillary? :shrug: :shrug: :dem:

[William769]

18. Your not the only one.

I like her too! :hi:

[MODemocrat]

62. Thanks for that, William769

Those who hate Hillary, need to find the perfect dem candidate, so then, we can all start picking them apart, and do the republican's work for them. I seldom see even a suggestion of an alternate, except maybe Al Gore's who's apparently not interested in being a candidate, or John Kerry, whom I truly respect, but he didn't fight for what I thought was his for just a little fight; So until someone brings us someone who we all think is electable, and has a high approval rating, I'm going to stay with
Hillary Clinton. I like to see her kicking some ass. :thumbsup:

[rep the dems]

25. Just because there are some dems like Hillary that we don't like

doesn't mean we prefer republicans. But of the potential '08 candidates, most of us don't like her nearly as much as people like Clark, Gore, Feingold etc. Still, if you ask almost anyone on DU about whether they'd vote for her if she were the nominee nearly everyone would say yes.

[AJ9000]

35. 1 She's far too supportive of the war 2 She would assure a Dem loss in 08

[AtomicKitten]

37. 1. Just because she voted yes on the IWR,

doesn't mean she supports the war, and
2. are you clairvoyant? because if you're not, your prediction is just guessing.

The truth here is that you just don't like her.

[AZBlue]

52. I have a big piece of wood you can just hit yourself over the head with

You'll get further...

:banghead:

[AtomicKitten]

60. this works too

[goreo8]

61. Why

risk running Hillary as the nonimee if she's that hated? She has too much baggage that will be dragged out about her, and she will hurt our party. She's too risky to put all of our support behind her. If we lose in '08 I'll go nuts!

We must forget Hillary, and rally NOW around Al Gore. He must run!

[juajen]

67. That's simply not true!

Plenty of us like her; some are neutral and some do dislike her, supposedly because of her war vote and because she wants an Iraqi resolution that leaves us and the Iraqis with some dignity and Iraq with more than a shell of a country after all the billions the American people have spent on this war. I personally don't believe that's possible, but I at least give her credit for knowing more about the situation than I do.

I remember her bravery in attempting to attain affordable health care for the poor and middle class in this country, and I remember her dignity as First Lady and her quiet dignity, intelligence and unfailing kindness in her dealings with adults and children who came in contact with her as First Lady, and now as Senator. She was a wonderful First Lady and is a good Senator, well liked by the people of New York.

For some reason, some DUers just will not give her credit for doing anything right; and, let's face it, no politician ever does everything right.

[Reckon]

4. If she's my only choice, then yeah.... Let's hope that don't happen.. n/t

[Cascadian]

7. If she is the 2008 nominee, then the Democrats are sunk!

She would lose the election. Just my feelings.


John

[Reckon]

15. I agree.... I hope she get's the Lieberman message and stays out. nt

[Captain Hilts]

19. Who do the Reps have that can beat her?

Not McCain - he's an old grouch and looks really unhealthy.

Guiliani - more female trouble than Bill Clinton had.

Brownback - stupid.

Pataki - would people notice him in a race.

Romney's her greatest challenge, I think.

[fujiyama]

33. McCain and even Giuliani

would likely beat Hillary by a pretty huge margin. A recent poll shows Hillary several points behind Giuliani in HER OWN STATE! McCain would easily beat her.

Brownback is a religious fanatic, but if he appears "likable", he may have a shot. Pataki has no chance of getting the nomination.

Don't forget Allen. He'll likely win his senate seat and he can play that BS "good ole' boy" charm routine.

Romney would be a challenge as well.

Don't "misunderestimate" the stupidity of the electorate.

[Cascadian]

40. Don't forget the Repubs have Diebold.

Those machines are a major factor why the Republicans are winning. We have got to get rid of these damned things!


John

[enfield collector]

51. agreed, it don't matter who we run against diebold.

[Captain Hilts]

49. Don't bet on it at all. My firm was polling in NY in 2000

and I think Hillary had a very good chance of beating Guiliani then.

Hillary also has proven to have a 'hidden' vote: more folks will actually vote for her than say so.

And McCain has also basically kissed Bush on the lips and has proven to have situational ethics to the Nth degree.

Guiliani just isn't appealing, especially in the South. And his female trouble will really keep the Bible thumpers at home.

[sendero]

58. I disagree..

... you are wrong. McCain would TROUNCE her. Most Americans think McCain is some kind of moderate centrist. you and I know that's nonsense, but that is the image he has carefully cultivated and that is what it is.

Hillary wouldn't have a chance against a brown cow. The base will desert her, and if you don't have the base doing GOTV for you, you cannot win.

But Hillary is just like Lieberman in more ways than one. She's a lot more concerned about HER career than the Democratic party. She will claw tooth and nail for the nomination, and if she gets it, we are sunk AGAIN.

[Totally Committed]

5. I wouldn't trust her if my life depended on it...

she's only in it for Hillary. And, if that isn't bad enough, she's such a War Hawk!

Ugh... she's a DLC DINO.

TC

[Totally Committed]

42. Plus...

She is UNELECTABLE.

TC

[mnhtnbb]

6. Self delete

[Guava Jelly]

8. I don't care for her lately..

But would vote for her if i had to.
She's no Bill

[mnhtnbb]

9. Self delete

[Bucky]

11. Yes, Mrs Clinton is divisive. We knew that.

I think 90% of her Democratic detractors will dummy up if she's noominated. But her nomination will kick Republicans into high gear. It is that very fear of shrill right wing divisiveness that pushed Dubya over the 45% threshold to "win" his election in 2000. I don't think Senator Clinton would do a bad job, but Democrats will lose a vital edge in nominating her and all us grass rooters understand this.

The story is focusing on extremist viewpoints. But underneath that is the fact that passionate activists are important in organizing a campaign. It's a disturbing yellow flag that should (and probably will) drive enough Democrats away from supporting her in the primaries.

[mnhtnbb]

12. If Hillary is nominee, White House remains Republican

I cannot abide the woman. I know I'm not alone. You can't win running someone who is intensely disliked by members of both parties. WAKE UP DEM LEADERSHIP!!!!!!!

[Captain Hilts]

21. That also counts out McCain and Guiliani on the R side....nt

[SaveElmer]

13. Another version of...

"Everyone I know hates her, so she must be unpopular."

Worthless...

If she is the nominee she will win...

[PatGund]

38. I doubt it

It has always seemed to me that the people speaking the loudest about Sen. Clinton running has been the right wing.

Why? Because they strongly believe they can beat her, and so want to make the Democrats feel like she's our "only choice".

If she runs, (which I hope she doesn't), the MSM will make her seem unbeatable in the primaries, and mock anyone who dares run against her. Which means comes November, she'll have her ass handed to her by the right wing, who will finally crow about being able to defeat a Clinton presidency.

She's not worth eight more years of NeoCon bull.

[Spiffarino]

16. Surprise! Grassroots and Dem bigwigs disagree!

The pollster, Dick Bennett, notes her high negatives among grassroots Dems. From the article:

He (Bennett) believes top national Democrats are missing this grassroots intensity. Instead, he suspects, they are blinded by poll numbers, which give Hillary a big early lead based on her name recognition.

Top national Democrats are out of touch with the grassroots. There's a news flash for ya.

[Captain Hilts]

17. I don't hate her and most Democrats don't, though DUers do. nt

[dionysus]

20. i don't hate her at all

just not that enthusiastic about her... i'd rather her remain my senator here in NY

[Captain Hilts]

23. I don't feel that strongly about her either way.

I hear she's actually been a hell of a senator. It would be cool if she was named majority leader of the senate...

[Spiffarino]

26. self-delete

[Spiffarino]

27. Sure, there are DUers who "hate" Hill.

However, I suspect most of us who aren't fans simply dislike her for her constant pandering to conservatives. It's the Dick Morris "triangulation" strategy Bill used to draw in the "Reagan Democrats" and she thinks it still works. I believe she's mistaken. We're living in right wing Bizarro-world thanks to the top-tier DLC-type Dems and their twenty years of sucking up to the corporate right. Real Democrats know it's time for a change starting with the leadership.

Dean's ascension to the head of the DNC was the first shot in the Populist Revolution. Lieberman is the most recent battle. This war won't end until either the grassroots wrests control from the Corporocrats or the Corporocrats start winning elections.

[AZBlue]

56. I think that's a fair summation.

And I'll add: there are basically two types of people here on DU: those who want to b*tch and those who want to do something to bring about changes they desire (whatever those changes might be). Unfortunately, the part that wants to just moan and complain tend to attach themselves to a couple of specific topics and Sen. Clinton is one of them. I would say they represent the minority of Democrats in the US. But I can never seem to figure out if they represent the majority here or just a noisy minority. I'm hoping for the second.

[bluerum]

22. self delete

[bluerum]

24. By a boston herald business columnist? He hunted far and wide till

he found a drunk NH democrat (took 5 minutes) to curse Hillary Clinton.

New Hampshire has been dominated by the Republican Party and is considered to be the most conservative state in the Northeast. New Hampshire gave its four electoral votes to George W. Bush in the 2000 election. That could have swung the election.

They have two republican senators.

The low, trashy, yellow journalistic piece of pond scum that wrote that article is doing someones dirty work.

NH is NOT the democratic grass roots.

[Spiffarino]

29. Agreed, but NH drunks aren't alone.

There's plenty of grassroots Dems lurking out here on the Internets, and a lot of us are quite unhappy and fed up with her latent corporate conservatism. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Reichwing Ubermedia's relentless Clinton-bashing. If anything, their constant persecution of Hillary probably keeps lefties from criticizing her even more.

[Crunchy Frog]

28. I don't hate Hillary.

I think she would be a catastrophe as a presidential candidate, and I disagree with many of the political positions she has taken, but I don't hate her.

[meldroc]

30. She's got the same problems as Lieberman.

She's too hawkish, but more fundamental than that, what hurts both Lieberman and Hilary is that they're not really members of the Democratic Party, they're card-carrying members of the Big Business Party. The old-school DLC Democrats like Lieberman and Clinton have sold themselves to the K Street lobbyists, just like the Republicans.

[Spiffarino]

31. Same problems, save a very important one:

She doesn't suck-up to Bush, and neither does Biden. You also may notice they aren't having problems in the polls.

Holy Joe's unforgiveable sins were:

The Kiss.
Fox News' favorite Dem.
Chief Democratic Flag-waver for the Neocon agenda.

[mtnsnake]

43. So do 28 other Democratic senators, yet Hillary gets singled out on DU

Democratic Senators who vote to authorize the IWR:
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

[Captain Hilts]

48. It was a vote to give W a bargaining chip at the UN...

to help encourage the UN to do something, not a blank check to W.

[AZBlue]

53. Details, schmetails...

I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point. However, hating Hillary seems to be more popular here on DU than bowling, knitting and poker combined. Some people should reconsider their hobbies.

[threadkillaz]

32. Let's Roll

Next.

http://www.tasinifornewyork.org/volunteer

[Vidar]

34. I think she is a capable senator & want her to stay there.

[western mass]

36. Dislike perhaps, hate no. She's no Lieberman.

I think showing her Party loyalty re: Lamont/Lieberman has scored some points (and grudging respect) from the grassroots.

[opihimoimoi]

39. She will get my vote. She is ONE of the BEST we GOT and is on the STAGE

of National Politics...

[El Fuego]

41. I just don't want her as the nominee.

[Captain Hilts]

50. That's fair enough. nt

[mtnsnake]

44. Yeah, she's so hated by Dems that she & Edwards are th 2 most popular Dems

when Democratic voters are polled across the country.

[Kingofalldems]

45. I smell pizza

Hit and run divisive post.

[zanne]

46. Self delete

to
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[Southsideirish]

47. "Oh, it be true - you better believe it!"

[ShrewdlyDone]

54. I would seriously consider a repub vote if Hillary is candidate

Sorry, I am a Dem and support nearly everything that the party does, but I cannot stand Hillary.

[ShrewdlyDone]

57. Hillary is the gift that keeps on giving for repubs..

No other candidate would galvinize the republicans against them like Hillary.

If she is the candidate it is a guarenteed repub victory.

[Snivi Yllom]

55. ouch

“Lying b**** . . . shrew . . . Machiavellian . . . evil, power-mad witch . . . the ultimate self-serving politician.”

[AZBlue]

59. Given that this is a BOSTON newspaper, couldn't it just be KERRY spin?

I'm definitely not saying it's spin from Kerry's office - just that it might be pro-Kerry spin from the paper itself.

[graywarrior]

63. I don't trust her.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

64. Not sure, but is consistent with anecdotal evidence

In decades of being a Democrat, I've never heard other Democrats become so riled and angry at a high-profile Democratic political figure, as they have against Hillary Clinton. It's worse even than Joe Lieberman in many circles.

It's that feeling of betrayal IMHO, so many Dems supported her and respected her (for more reasons than just the Clinton name), and now, much like Joe, she turns around and becomes one of the biggest boosters of the neocon war and corporatist agenda. She hasn't quite been as overt as Joseph Lieberman in her continuing support for the Iraq War, but she's continued to beat the war drums for Iraq and for the prospect of maintaining permanent bases, precisely the sort of overseas arrogance that has already enraged so much of the world against us. Then there's her hawk-flapping on Iran, on Syria, her shameless and one-sided statements on Lebanon (when more balanced discussions on the issue would be far more sensible both morally and politically) along with the flag-burning idiocy. Like Joe, she's taken dozens of stands on the issues most dear to the Democratic Party and burned her bridges with the base, with the rank-and-file Democrats reacting in a lot of anger.

[ArkySue]

65. I don't care for her.

Let her stay in NY and the Senate.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

66. Umm if you pay any attention to this board at all, you will see that a

substantial majority of people here are no fan of hers.

If you are just coming here from the world of FOX news, then some of this may be a surprise and revelation to you, since the only "idea" promoted in the FOX/CNN world is the only possible Democratic candidate for president is Hillary Clinton..

Welcome.