If Lieberman (I - Asshat) runs do the usual rules here apply?

[endarkenment]

In other words, as the Democratic Underground, are posts in support of Lieberman then automatically out of bounds?

"Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates. Supporters of certain other political parties may use Democratic Underground for limited partisan activities in political races where there is no Democratic Party candidate."

[LincolnMcGrath]

1. Yep

No pRO-jOE THREADS

[TheVirginian]

2. Does that mean no pro-Jeffords or pro-Sanders threads, too?

They are also Independents who caucus with the Democrats, like Joe would be.

[LincolnMcGrath]

3. Do they have Democratic opponents? No you say?

nice try

[endarkenment]

4. Read the rules again.

1) Sanders is running as a Democrat.

http://www.dscc.org/news/latest/20060112_sanders/

2) Jeffords is standing down. (See 1).

Nice try though.

[TheVirginian]

5. Sanders isn't running as a Democrat.

[LincolnMcGrath]

7. Look again

Voters who select a Democratic ballot at the primary will be choosing from among Sanders, Larry Drown, Craig Hill, Peter Moss and Louis Thabault for U.S. Senate. If Sanders wins the primary, the party will have prevented any of the others, who lack party officials' support, from running on the Democratic line in November even if Sanders declines the nomination. In that case, the party could choose another candidate in caucus or choose to have no candidate.

Sanders has won the Democratic nomination as a write-in in three previous campaigns for the U.S. House and has declined the nomination, Weaver said. He has never had the party circulate a petition on his behalf before, he said.
-- Terri Hallenbeck,
Free Press staff writer

[endarkenment]

8. Technically yes. However just read the rules.

Vermont Democratic Party endorse Sanders for U.S. Senate
Jan 23, 2006
By: Burlington Free Press

The Vermont Democratic Party has endorsed Rep. Bernard Sanders, I-Vt., for the U.S. Senate.

The party's state committee has voted unanimously to support Sanders' bid for the seat vacated by retiring Sen. James Jeffords, I-Vt.

The committee Saturday also endorsed Democratic Senate President Pro Tempore Peter Welch's run for the U.S. House seat that Sanders has held since 1991.

Sanders said he would appear on the ballot as an independent but welcomed support from all parties.

"In this campaign for the U.S. Senate I will be doing everything I can to bring Vermonters together in opposition to a Republican leadership in Washington that has turned it's back on the middle class and working families of our country," he said.

http://www.dscc.org/news/latest/20060123_endorse/

read the rules

[endarkenment]

10. And he is running as a Democrat anyhow. See post below mine.

So what exactly were you talking about?

[tritsofme]

6. Lieberman intends to caucus with the Democrats in the Senate

Whether he wins the primary or not.

So as far as control of the Senate goes there is a net zero effect on who wins the primary or the general election.

As long as Lieberman stays true to his pledge to caucus with the Democratic Party, I see no reason why one should not support him if they wish to.

[LincolnMcGrath]

9. It's about time he started to!

:yoiks:

[Crunchy Frog]

13. If he is running against the Democratic party nominee,

you cannot support him on this forum. The rules are absolutely clear on that score.

You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website.

Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates. Supporters of certain other political parties may use Democratic Underground for limited partisan activities in political races where there is no Democratic Party candidate.

[Zhade]

15. "Lieberman intends to caucus with the Democrats in the Senate"

Are you certain he won't be angry at those who rightfully tried to get him bounced, should he somehow win?

"As long as Lieberman stays true to his pledge to caucus with the Democratic Party, I see no reason why one should not support him if they wish to."

Yes, but advocating for people to vote or work for him will still not be allowed, thankfully, because DU doesn't apply double standards.

[fujiyama]

23. What evidence is there we can trust him?

He's still running against the party's nominee. He's showing that ultimately it's all about him. He's an egomaniac.

This is truly a petty and bitter campaign run out of vindictiveness. Joe really is an awful lot like Bush in that sense. There is no reason to believe he won't simply say "fuck you" to the party if he wins and decides to caucus with repukes.

[beyurslf]

11. If he runs as an I, then he is not a Dem.

[LynneSin]

12. We support the democratic candidate

which also means that if Joe Lieberman were to win today's primary (and no that's not an endorsement) then he would be the candidate we would be supporting

[Zhade]

14. If they don't, DU can't be trusted to abide by any of their rules.

So I imagine the administrators will enforce the rule as it would with any other candidate running against a Dem.

They aren't hypocrites, so if Joe runs as an indy, the mods will surely disallow anyone pimping his candidacy.

[Robbins]

16. Sanders

Everyone knows Bernie Sanders Is Basiclly a Liberal Democrat who calls himself a Independent because
he dislikes the corporate Influence of the partys. If Howard Dean has basiclly called him a liberal
Democrat. He votes more like a democrat than those who call themselves Dems.

[Critters2]

27. Does he have a Dem opponent?

IF not, he can be supported here.

[MrBenchley]

17. Posts pimping for Bernie Sanders (I) are legion

[htuttle]

18. Has he ever run against a Democrat?

IIRC, he works with the VT Democratic party to avoid splitting the votes that way.

[MrBenchley]

19. Who cares?

[patrioticliberal]

26. The Dem party establishment endorses Sanders

He has said so on Hartmann's program.

[Ken Burch]

29. We've demonstrated that Bernie isn't an enemy of the party

And that your hatred of him is totally unjustified.

Again, Will You Do The Right Thing and Endorse Ned Lamont?

You can't dodge this anymore.

[Renew Deal]

20. At least once

And he won big.

[LincolnMcGrath]

21. The hypocrisy of the far right Lieberman supporters is stunning.

:eyes:

[TankLV]

25. Oh, how so sweetly, ironically, and beautifully true!....

Suck it up benchley - either support the DEMOCRATIC candidate, or shut up.

The rules are clear.

YOU lost, WE won.

Time to support the WINNER of the DEMOCRATIC Party.

But we won't hole our breath...

[Zhade]

22. While Sanders is running, or just in general?

Pimping your loser boy Lieberman is now against the rules. Deal with it.

[Hippo_Tron]

24. According to DU Rules, there is a big difference here

You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website.

Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates. Supporters of certain other political parties may use Democratic Underground for limited partisan activities in political races where there is no Democratic Party candidate.

In the case of Connecticut, there is a Democratic candidate running for the seat. In the case of Vermont, there is no Democratic candidate running for the seat.

NOTE: I am expressing my opinion here and not the opinion of Skinner or the other DU Admins.

[Ken Burch]

28. The party has endorsed Bernie. That settles the "Bernie's not a Dem"

thing once and for all.

Will you now do the right thing and endorse Ned Lamont?

You can't dodge this anymore.

[alittlelark]

31. "...pimping for Bernie Sanders...."

uh.....:shrug:

[dolstein]

30. If by usual rules you mean is it ok to continue smearing Lieberman

I'm assuming the answer is yes. While it's hard to imagine the anti-Lieberman rhetoric getting any harsher than it's been for the past year or so, I wouldn't put anything past the DU community.

[The Magistrate]

32. Locking

It is very soon after Mr. Lamont's primary victory for this discussion. Nothing has changed with the established D.U. rules and if there is any further information on this matter, the Administrators will make it available as soon as possible. Your patience is appreciated.