what makes joe lieberman a DINO

[sabbat hunter]

other than continuing to support the war in Iraq, on what issues is Joe Lieberman a DINO?

[SPCAworks]

1. 99% good democrat

that's better than a lot of the other shrub asskissers.

if Lieberman loses today (he will) then he will run and WIN as an Indie in november and the democratic party loses a "lock" seat in a year that we win seats around 49-50...

[danalytical]

2. He voted for cloture

on the bankruptcy bill so that it would get to a vote, then he voted against it to hide his trail.

He called for higher indecency fines for the FCC to throw at lewd material on TV. That's a conservative calling card.

He joined the gang of 13 to help stop Democratic filibusters of judicial nominees.

He was courted for the secretary of defense position during talk of Rumsfeld resigning.

He is NEVER availabe in CT.

He always undercuts the Democratic message to appear non partisan, but then in doing so he weakens everything we try to do.

[sabbat hunter]

6. all but one

are signs of DINO

"he is never available in CT" that could be anyone conservative liberal or moderate.

as far as i know the defense position were just rumors. rather stick to known facts.

[KurtNYC]

12. Also:

Schiavo
Michael Schiavo: U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman "thinks that government should have made that decision," he said. "Joe Lieberman is wrong, and that's why Joe Lieberman is going to be defeated."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/27/politics/main ...

Privatizing Social Security
Mr. Lieberman set off alarms within the party even before the State of the Union address. "This is an ongoing problem, and we'd be wise to deal with it," Mr. Lieberman told The Hartford Courant in January when asked about Social Security. "If we can figure out a way to help people through private accounts or something else, great." - NYTimes 3/7/2005

Pro-Imperial Presidency
And of course Joe infamously uttered phrases including: “In matters of war, we undermine presidential credibility at our nation’s peril."

And tomorrow he will run against the Democratic nominee, which is beyond DINO.

[iamjoy]

3. I Wonder Too

OF course, the way he has campaigned against Lamont, Lieberman doesn't deserve to win.

[depakid]

4. Yeah right- lol

You obviously haven't reviewed the record.

Howe about all those votes in favor of finacial institution "deregulation." You know, the kind that brought us massive accounting fraud (think Enron, Worlcom & Tyco) as well as other consumer abuses.

A really friend of ordinary working Americans.

[gratuitous]

5. ANOTHER oneof these threads?

I keep posting, and the posts keep getting ignored:

"Well, there's the war"

And the 2,600 dead Americans from that. And the half a trillion dollars wasted. And the squandering of our national honor, prestige and credibility. Oh yeah, the uncounted tens of thousands of dead Iraqis whose only sin was getting in the way of the American wehrmacht.

But if that's not enough, I suppose Lieberman's evisceration (along with the gang of 14) of the only tool the Democrats had to fight against horrific nominations in the Senate. His kowtowing to the administration line, his kiss from Bush, his being the first to his feet (and the only Democrat) for a standing ovation for Bush at his 2005 State of the Whatever speech.

Still not enough? Chief Justice John Roberts. Justice Alito. Ambassador Bolton.

Repeated warnings to Democrats that they'd better not diss the Commander in Chief, no matter how ruinous or disastrous his policies turn out to be.

More? His assiduous padlocking of the stable door once the horse is safely away by voting over and over again for cloture (ending Senate debate) and then voting against the legislation/nominee/proposal in a feeble attempt to cover his ass when he knew all along that the confirmation or the bill passage was a done deal.

Do you need more? That's all I got off the top of my head, but I can go on about his squishiness on abortion, his slavish devotion to corporate rights over individual rights, his screwing of the little guy, and his promotion of the overrich if you want.

* * *

And of course, the flip side of the coin:

"Then I'll flip it"

What do you see about any of those issues where Lieberman has been the voice and soul of the Democratic party, the kind of person Democrats should want to represent them and their ideas, as opposed to just another voice for the corporatist Republican line?

Where is Lieberman's loyalty to consumers? His going to bat for minimum wage earners? What concrete actions has he taken to secure a woman's right to her body? What has he done to stand up for the Fourth Amendment, and protect the right of citizens to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures? What legislation has Mr. Lieberman introduced or supported that guarantees the rights of prisoners of war? That stops the Bush administration from executive overreach? That holds the administration to account for torture and killing of non-combatants?

These are all bedrock Democratic ideas, that government should be the servant of the people, not vice versa. Where has Mr. Lieberman been during his last term in office, advancing those ideas, protecting the individual, and enabling people (through increases in the minimum wage and access to affordable health care to name just two) in advancing their own lot? Or has he stood with the large corporations and the most repressive impulses of the government to drive millions more into poverty?

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I await the sudden abandonment of this thread with quiet resignation.

[SPCAworks]

8. yeah

and what's Lamont going to do about the WAR when he's sitting home in 2007 and Lieberman is sitting in an "I" seat????????

Pfffttt......

[gratuitous]

9. Quick! What are the Powerball numbers for tomorrow night?

Might as well try to make a useful prediction as long as you're prognosticating . . .

[SPCAworks]

10. lol...

good one.

If the world revolved around principles... I'd say you're 110% correct...

But in OUR world, we need political advantage. If We get 49 seats and Lieberman sits in an "I" seat I'll be pissed.

[sabbat hunter]

11. we would need

50 plus liebermans seat. a 50-50 split would still give the senate to the republicans as cheney would break any ties in favor of the republicans.

that being said if lieberman runs and wins as an independent i fully expect that he would still vote with the democrats on leadership issues, much like jeffords from VT does (who is also an independent)

[Critters2]

7. Here's an article that helps answer that question,

I think...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060808/cm_huffpost/026752