The IRS is ilegal

[reaper66]

The IRS is illegal. Sounds crazy doesn't it. Well it's true. check out this 14 minute preview for soon to be in theaters film America From Freedom To Facism.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3224880523451677638&q=America%3A+Freedom+to+Fascism

[JuniperLea]

1. Awesome video, isn't it?

Another full of things most of us already knew, but it's nice to have all that info in one spot.

Welcome to DU, reaper66... oh, and, don't fear the reaper, man!


heh!

[reaper66]

3. Thanks, I can't wait to see this film in theatres

You'd be surprised at how many people don't know about this. I want to try to change that though.

[welshTerrier2]

2. this is not the Libertarian Underground

are you opposed to taxation? do you think government should not provide public education or health benefits or old age benefits or many other programs that a decent society requires?

this "IRS is illegal" and "the government does not have a legal right to tax its citizens" are straight out of the Libertarian handbook ... some of us believe in using the power of government to achieve certain objectives ... without taxation, all of that becomes impossible ...

[trixie]

6. agreed

We dems are for taxation that helps those in need. Like those that need roads, schools, meals, etc. Don't let the libertarian militia fool you. They do like taxes they need them for their welfare checks. Which I am for except for when it props up Libertarian Militias.

[reaper66]

7. Do you really want to pay taxes

The income taxes you pay do not go to provide services such as schools, health care, etc. The money you pay in taxes goes to pay off the debt we owe to the federal reserve. The federal reserve is a private bank that the government borrows money from and pays interest to. All it does is create a debt pit that you can't get out of. It is a giant scam. I suggest you watch the video.

[welshTerrier2]

11. heard the bullshit; saw the video

you are preaching right-wing ideology ...

yes, i want to pay taxes ... and you are conflating the bullshit, abusive corporate welfare of the federal government with whether the citizens should be asked to contribute to the "common wealth" via a tax system ...

you've picked on the wrong part of the equation ... an honest government, which we clearly do not have, should put the best interests of the country and its citizens ahead of "special interests"; it doesn't do that ... that's the problem that needs to be addressed ...

that does not mean that you can "me me me it's all mine" your way out of paying taxes ... taxes aren't the problem ... the US government is an abusive, pro-corporate empire ... its spending is totally out of control ... most people do NOT receive adequate benefit from the taxes they pay because the federal government spends it on the military-industrial complex and other corporate welfare programs ... no, i don't like my tax dollars being wasted in that way but that does not mean i oppose paying taxes; it means the people need to take back control of their government ...

[JuniperLea]

14. bull freaking shit

this isn't right wing by a long stretch.

no one, including the maker of the video, is saying we shouldn't or we don't want to pay taxes. this IS all about taking back control of the government.

you should really pay attention to things before you go off half-cocked.

[JuniperLea]

12. It is illegal

And I don't mind paying taxes at all, I just don't like the way this government has manipulated things. The Federal Reserve isn't what you think it is, nor is the IRS.

Educate yourself... and keep an open mind.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Balderdash.

Aaron Russo is a hard-core Libertarian. The more lunatic-fringe Libs have been claiming for years that the IRS is illegal, but it's not. It was legitimately created by Congress, just like all other federal administrative agencies, and this has long since been determined to be Constitutional under the delegation doctrine. The IRS and their regulations, the Internal Revenue Code, are pretty fucked up, but legal.

And if nobody pays taxes, how do we get roads, schools, airports, courts, police, health and safety regulations, environmental regulations, and all that other stuff we want the government to do?

[acmejack]

5. The IRS is not illegal.

Get a grip. We may wish it were every April 15th, but the Government, which is supposedly US, is actually a neat thing. I am willing to pay for a Government, take this Libertarian stuff away from here, please.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Agreed. Libertarians are just Republicans who want to smoke pot

and wasted too much time in college reading Ayn Rand's crap and never got over it. I don't want anything to do with them.

[reaper66]

9. Your Taxes go to pay off debt to the federal reserve.

Your Taxes go to pay off debt to the federal reserve. Not to provide services to the poor. Whenever the government wants to borrow money thaey have to borrow it from the federal reserve and pay interest on it. The income tax is simply to allow the government ot pay interest on it's debts. Not to provide services to people who need them.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. So where are those welfare checks (meager as they are) and

FAA airport improvement grants and Medicare payments and all the other things the federal government provides, coming from? The loose change under George Bush's couch cushions? The Welfare Tree? Come on. The fundamental premise of Libertarianism is that they are selfish objectivist fucks who don't want to pay taxes, and they concoct these bogus theories to try to persuade people that taxes are illegal. Point of fact is, they're not. It's true that there's a huge deficit right now because Bush is pissing the budget down the rathole of Iraq, but during the Clinton administration there was a large surplus. That, right there, pretty well refutes the Libs' nonsense about the federal reserve.

Don't believe everything that's fed to you. Aaron Russo is a talented, slick film producer; I can see how he could be convincing to people who don't know anything about the Federal Reserve system or the legal basis of the IRS -- a little research might be in order.

[JuniperLea]

16. That's not the point

The Federal Reserve Bank is a bank like any other... it is a private entity... it is NOT part of the US Government... nor is the IRS.

The whole point of this video is NOT to tell people not to pay their taxes, but to tell people how we have been duped all these years and how we need to take the government back.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. The IRS most certainly is a part of the federal government.

It is a federal agency duly created by act of Congress, with the power to create regulations (the Internal Revenue Code) pursuant to the federal Administrative Procedures Act (another act of Congress) that have the force and effect of law. The IRC can be found in the Code of Federal Regulations along with all the other regulations enacted by federal agencies.

The Federal Reserve System was created by an act of Congress, the Federal Reserve Act, in 1913. As to the Federal Reserve Banks themselves, it's true that they are owned, in a sense, by the private member banks; however, the courts have held that the Fed is, for some purposes, an instrumentality of the federal government. Furthermore, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System is an independent government agency, which is subject to the same laws (like the FOIA) as other federal agencies.

So it's simply untrue that the Fed is merely a private entity like any other bank. Aaron Russo is basically talking out his ass.

[reaper66]

18. I have researched the Federal Reserve

The Federal Reserve is not a government agency it is a private bank that loans the government money that is to be paid back with interest. Why do we need the Federal Reserve if the government has the authority to print money on it's own. All it does is creat debt. As a result we now have a fiat currency. How do you explain the dollar being devalued so much in the las fifty years. The only thing holding up the dollar is the fact that it is the world reserve currency. It is the only thing you can use to buy and sell oil on OPEC. If it where not for that then we would probably be seeing hyperinflation by now. Eventually the dollar will be completely devalued and the U.S. will become a third world country. I don't want to see that happen which is why I'm warnin people about this.

[flaminbats]

15. yes..and the XVI Amendment was the reason

this amendment was passed by a Republican Congress in 1909 and ratified by a Democratic Congress in 1913. Both parties deserve the credit and blame, but the Constitution gives our government the power to "collect taxes on incomes, from whatever sources derived, without any regard to consensus or enumeration."

[meisje]

10. Tell it to a judge

[nealmhughes]

17. Does this mean I can smoke pot and have sex with 12 year olds now, too?

Import my own workers from Eastbuttholistan and pay them on water bread and one cent for a breath mint daily? Open a mine in my back yard, strike gold and use cyanaid to get the gold out of the ore and just flush it to the river beside my house?

Get away with taxes and we'll all have ponies and Mercedes! And grow our own opium and sell it, as the Market will take care of all problems, right?

Taxes are the price one pays for civilization. It has always been like that since we lived in cities. Even small places had collective work for public construction projects such as canals, walls, etc. in pre-history.

Oh, I want to dump all the spent fuel at the Browns Ferry nuclear plant about 20 miles away to a plot of land I've recently bought next to the Limestone County (Alabama) High School, as public education is a form of "coddling" and altruism which is anathema. Hope none of the unschooled kids who play on my private waste dump handle any of that stuff...

Ain't Ayn keen?! Do I have to use a cigarette holder and dye my hair jet black, too?

[unc]

20. A pretty big problem...

Bush never signed those Executive Orders. They were from mainly '62 with Kennedy and one from Nixon. Way, way before Bush.

[AlienGirl]

21. Locking

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." --16th Amendment