Does anybody believe what happened in Iraq today is death to GOP?

[bronxiteforever]

Here we have spent billions of dollars each MONTH, thousands of lives ruined and the people we "freed from an evil dictator" have today supported ,by the thousands in street marches, what Bush calls a terrorist party (Hez.)-
How can this not be a disaster for the GOP? And BTW, in Iraq today they also burned an American flag. I mean does anyone see the absurdity of a flag burning amendment here but the country we "protect" burns the American flag? How do the rethugs survive this?
I believe this is a colossal political disaster on top of the foreign policy disaster. Am I right that maybe we can pry the 40% that still supports Dim Son away with this obvious and humiliating failure?

[Lost-in-FL]

1. But, but... they are free

and burning a flag for them is an act of freedom of expression. They don't know any better. :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[gulfcoastliberal]

2. Not as long as they got their 6-packs and teevee

Sorry.

[Skittles]

3. bronx, they didn't care that we invaded and bombed based on lies

there's no reason those bastards will care about anything - they will support that incompetent piece of shit no matter what - they are complete total fucking morons

[Lost-in-FL]

8. There's many of those at my job

I am talking here about very smart people but of course they are just so ignorant to what is going on. Of course, ask who won the last American Idol or The Aprentice and they know all about it.

[Skittles]

47. they are not as smart as you think they are

truly smart people are not willfully ignorant

[bronxiteforever]

4. all you guys are killing me!!! I need some hope!!

:banghead:

[bullimiami]

5. the reality that they are throwing away our children, lives, our future

our health, our schools ... all to create and protect this... that has to gall even their supporters.

[Erika]

10. The GOP is about corporatism, nothing else.

If this last six years haven't shown that, I don't know what can. Yes, Americans are finally waking up to what W has done to this country, and it isn't pretty.

[colorado thinker]

14. So, how do we maintain solidarity when

the corporations start "attacking" to keep the neocons in power? Loss of jobs if you don't support the anointed PAC, threats of layoffs if rethugs are voted out, credit card companies calling in your debt, etc. etc. Does anyone else think they will retaliate?

[Erika]

18. Being from a red state, they've tried all this.

What more can they do?

[jwirr]

They have moved so many of our jobs out of the country that

they may not control as many workers as they think. When they were here with workers at their beck and call they could do things like that but once we are merely the consumers it is different.

[Erika]

21. Good point

Employees are also consumers. When they kill our buying power, they kill their profits. It looks the greed of the GOP may have overreached.

[colorado thinker]

32. I've been saying something along those lines

for the last ten years. The economic circle is pretty small; when our jobs are gone, we won't be buying their products, no matter how cheap the crap they import is. Why is that obvious to some of us but seems to be beyond the corporate understanding? Having worked in corporate America for so many years, I can state unequivocally that the mentality of those running the corporations is that growth and profit have no natural limits. This, of course, is not true. I fear we, and the corporations, are heading for an economic "correction" that will rock the world . . .

[jwirr]

38. What it will take is for "we the people" to start uniting on these

issues. For instance, following the simple living ideas would go a long way toward showing them that we do have power even if it is only the power to say no.

We planted a garden this year and plan to can/freeze some of it to cut back on food costs. I would suggest that even if it is just a tomato plant in a container - everyone plant their own little "victory garden". Find some way to cut back on buying and if you must buy look for American made, used or e-bay items.

[colorado thinker]

42. Google this name

Ferenc Mate, "A Reasonable Life". I picked it up in a used book store in Boulder, a manual in simple living from a man who puts the American consumer-driven lifestyle into the correct perspective . . .

[jwirr]

54. Thank you.

[LUHiWY]

48. big business...

....their idea is likely that they can use cheap labor to increase profits...weaken labor in the US...and if they can't sell their stuff to consumers in the US...they now have the rest of the world to sell to?

People who get paid much less...but who will now want to buy their stuff.

These multinationals are not that concerned about the US...some can avoid paying taxes in the US....they in effect become "nations" in their own right? Spread like an octopus around the globe?

The US voters can't seem to figure out WHAT HAS HAPPENED?

Big business has made an end run around the political process?

They are out of control?

Maybe they are the NEW GOVERNMENT?

NWO?

Make $$$$ while the Repug sun shines?

[jwirr]

55. While I am sure that is their plan - we have a few areas of the

world we can cross off the buyers list and many of the other areas are unto corporations and do not plan to play their game. EU for one still has their own industrial base in place and is working very hard to become independent not only in energy but in many other areas. Asia is becoming a large consumer but they also have many areas where they are working on independence. South and Central America are beginning to unite and are flexing their muscles. All these areas are pulling together. All except the US. We think we can treat Canada and Mexico like inferior siblings and they will stick with us but I would guess that both will eventually refuse to be part of bullying the world.

I agree that Corporations are trying to set up a border free economic world but that is exactly what is pushing all these areas to unite for survival. Globalization was going to be one world wide business venture led by the big US corporations who would use cheap labor from other countries and tax loopholes from off shore islands to gouge the consumers of the world. It appears as if some nation/areas are not all that interested.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying that there will not be world trade - I am just saying that nations are not so willing to give up their power.

[Erika]

6. W's reasoning for going into Iraq was corporate profits

He made them. His corporates base is in love with him.

They don't want that issue messed up with humanitarian concerns. What do they care? Remember under the GOP, the $ is God.

[ikojo]

7. No, because the GOP will use the scenes from the

demonstration to scare people into thinking another 9/11 is just around the corner and it's only because of the GOP controlling all branches of government that another "terrorist" attack has not taken place since 9/11/01.

[Erika]

11. No, W has created terrorists with its support of Israel, etc.

The public is waking up.

[LittleClarkie]

9. No people would have to be paying attention for it to be death for the GOP

I won't know til November if they are.

[Erika]

13. People are

Look at your polls and bumper stickers. See any "Go GOP" signs?

[bronxiteforever]

15. I live in Central pennsylvania

and it ain't pretty politically. So bumper stickers don't do me a good service. i am surrounded by W stickers. But I comfort myself in my state having not gone for shrub in either election.

[Erika]

17. I'm in Idaho, the most GOP state in the nation, no W stickers

and the W stickers disappeared.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

30. Saw a few "Evil Exists" bumperstickers in Chambersburg...

while visiting family, next to the Ws and Jesus fishies. Was living in DC at the time and couldn't get back fast enough.

[bronxiteforever]

33. Nice place to live if you don't talk politics.

there are a few kerry stickers still around too. and there are a few "had Enough" stickers showing up. All in all, that is a big statement here.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

35. That's encouraging. I'm really counting on my home state...

to come through in November. Santorum - OUT!

[bronxiteforever]

36. Color PA blue in 2006. Little ricky out and Ed back in!!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

49. I was hoping to color my "other" state, Virginia, blue as well...

but just read that Allen leads Webb by 16 percentage points. So much for my trifecta (Delay, Santorum, Allen) fantasy. We'll see. $%*&#!

[bronxiteforever]

52. allen is an odious human being

Maybe things will change come Nov. and he will be back to JUST being an annoying rich snot!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

53. He'll still be behind the scenes, inflicting damage!

Do they ever really go away?

[LittleClarkie]

19. I'm in Sensenbrenner's district

I see more than I care to. Dubya stickers are still around. And Republicans here are not ashamed to put their party affiliation on their signage. I hear some are hiding it inother parts of the country.

[Erika]

20. The GOP guy in our office shaved off his W sticker from his

briefcase months ago. This is Idaho.

[bronxiteforever]

23. Come to Pennsyltucky here. Our rednecks are redder than yours

remember Santorum is our Senator (until november). And Erika I am not blind, I still see W stickers. I will be in Philly tomorrow and I know I won't see any there.:woohoo:

[Erika]

25. Got any stats to prove that?

Pennsylavania is redder than Idaho. Sure.

[bronxiteforever]

29. Did I say that? Don't think so? I said our rednecks are redder than yours

not our entire population.
Let me quote James Carville on my part of the state
The northern and central part of the state, nicknamed the Republican 'T', is more rural and tends to be very conservative. James Carville, the outspoken Democratic strategist, summed up Pennsylvania politics as "Philadelphia on one end, Pittsburgh on the other, with Alabama in the middle."

[Erika]

34. So it was your opinion not stats

Says a lot. Thank you.

[bronxiteforever]

37. it says you didn't read my post correctly.

[orleans]

22. i'm trapped in an extremely repuke county and saw a

bumper sticker that said BUSH LIES today, as i pulled up to a lite. my daughter rolled the window down & told the man "we like your bumper sticker!"

(however, i did see a god bless america sticker today as well)

[Erika]

24. From the mouth of babes. Thanks n/t

[LittleClarkie]

26. God bless America is fine unless they add George Bush to it

To be fair, I did see a "Thank you Cindy/Bring home the troops" sign and a "Not on our watch/Save Dalfur" in the vicinity. So maybe there is hope.

[orleans]

45. glad to hear it. keeping hope alive n/t

[welshTerrier2]

12. they're burning our flag over there ...

so we don't have to burn them over here ...

[Erika]

16. Yes, the Iraqis are burning our flag

As they yell death to Israel, death to Americans.

Our tax $ at work.

[Monkeyman]

27. the ? is did America see it. or the other war in the Mid East

[Erika]

28. I think America sees total global religious chaos

with corporations seeing the only profits.

[DawnneOBTS]

31. Warren County, New Jersey...

There were two pictures of W on this fucking sign telling people "welcome to the fair," etc., with the words coming out of his mouth like a cartoon. I wish someone would blow up Northwest New Jersey-I am ashamed to live in the same state with those assholes. Wasn't my idea to go there today.

[theanarch]

39. at this level of support (40% and fluctuating)...

...there problem is more psychological than political. The American psyche is quite bipolar in it's opinion of itself, as a nation. Domesticly, these folks tend to see the rest of U.S. as sinners sunk in sexual depravity and moral rot--a country of corrupt pols, greedy corporations, lying media types, sleazy celebrities, incompetent workers, lazy kids, etc. Yet, the moment these reprobates and misanthropes contrive a foreign policy and take it overseas, "America" becomes this shining (and blameless) beacon of moral rectitude, Lincoln's "last, great hope of humanity", positively vomiting good will and better intentions. They may regard George "Commander Codpiece" Bush as stupid (but, hey, who didn't know that?), but they won't believe he was wrong. Until they are convinced that he is, they won't be changing their minds...or votes.

[dweller]

40. 2586/2816

and i don't see the GOPigs listed.
http://icasualties.org/oif/

edit: link
dp

[theanarch]

41. no, if anything, the opposite:

nothing unifies the 'Murkin people more effectively than watching an endlessly repeated video clip over and over again. Few will bother with the hard work of actually thinking about what these recent events mean, much less explore the implications. No, they'll focus on a screaming horde of dark-skinned Others burning a US flag, and leave it at that...hell, wouldn't surpise if most of them thought it took place in Iraq, Hamasland, or Hezbollahastan...y'know, just like 9/11, burning towers and "Iraqi" hijackers...

[madrchsod]

43. it`s the death of our soldiers

we have to pull out now before our troops get blown to shreds....

[Vidar]

44. No. The GOP types will just ask for more bullets to kill the protesters.

[LaPera]

46. Not a chance...The republicans will keep pounding as they have

and will continue...they know their Diebold machines will be stealing votes in precincts all across the country.

[gulliver]

50. Infuriating isn't it. You sum it up well.

The Dems need to help though. As in "Wake up, people! Look at the Iraq Bush created with your soldiers lives and your tax dollars!"

I can't think of a single reason why the Dems could not use this, as you say, to "pry the 40% that still supports Dim Son away with this obvious and humiliating failure."

Nice post!

[alvarezadams]

51. With the cogdis brigade?

Never. Like our own DLC supporters, they vote the shirt.