Israel has killed 900. Hezbollah has killed 24.

[boolean]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5242732.stm?ls

Just keepin' score.

Say what you will about who's morally right in this fight. The facts are the facts. More innocents die by the hands of the Israelis.

Does that mean Hezbollah is justified in provoking the attacks? Of course not. But if you're looking for the reason, it's right there. When this war is over, the terrorists will regroup and they will recruit and they will instigate a fight once again. Why? Because of those numbers, right there. The same reason Iraq has an insurgency, the same reason the Taliban is back in Afghanistan. They want blood because they've spilled more of it.

[Erika]

1. Pat Buchanan said tonight Israel is creating a multitude of

Hezbollah recruits because of their actions. Per MSNBC,

[Bjorn Against]

4. I would not use Pat Buchanan as a source.

I am opposed to Israel's actions, but I would never cite Buchanan on this issue.

He is a known anti-semite. I don't toss that label around lightly either, I think it is a label that is often applied unfairly. I believe it is absolutely absurd when people are accused of anti-semitism simply because they oppose Israel. Pat Buchanan however has made some comments that are undeniably anti-semitic.

Israel's actions deserve to be criticized, in fact I think the planners of this should be tried for war crimes. I just think that Pat Buchanan is a really bad source to use when discussing this issue.

[Zhade]

34. True, but broken clocks and all that.

NT!

[Critters2]

40. Pat Buchanan has always been critical of the neo-cons

I don't know about his anti-semitism, but I think it's helpful to point out that not all conservatives support the imperialist urge of PNAC. Buchanan has been consistent about this--and right.

[TomInTib]

5. Man (girl), he was hot. "They were launching rockets from a lighthouse?"

[Erika]

6. Pat called the shots, straight and direct.

What proof is there that he anti-semite vs, anti-Israel?

Thanks.

[TomInTib]

8. I didn't say he was anti- anything

that was MNagainstBush

I thought PB was great tonight.

[WinkyDink]

45. Republicans don't impress me with their acumen. Sorry.

[AlamoDemoc]

2. How unfortunate on both sides!

Yet Israel has became a flavor at the Huge.

[YOY]

3. There are no good guys here

Just innocent victims and fools clamoring for more on both sides.

[aquart]

7. So Hezbollah is in the right by virtue of its inefficiency?

They aren't that inefficient.

Question: Is it true or a lie that they lodge themselves and their weapons in ordinary communities of Lebanese people?

And I adore your logic, the more of us who die, the more of you we must kill. (Damn, I should get busy murdering Germans. I suppose I could start with my friend, Gudrun, her daddy was a Nazi officer.) But you just said that Hezbollah weren't killing very many.......Oh, Hell, I'm getting confused again. Wait. Does this mean the Israelis are killing because so much of THEIR blood has been shed? You know, on buses, in markets, restaurants......that kind of thing?

Iraq has an insurgency because it was invaded by a foreign power. Right now, most deaths are Iraqis being killed by other Iraqis.

Hezbollah is in a political struggle with other Palestinian power groups. If Israel were eliminated tonight, tomorrow they would massacre each other. You might want to take a glance at Iraq and remember that.

The Taliban claim to be a movement of religious purity and political safety, preventing rape of innocent girls by keeping them indoors. But you say their sole purpose is vengeance? Well, fine.

[boolean]

9. Well hell.....

Sometimes I wonder if you people even read the posts.

They aren't that inefficient.
Yeah they are.


Question: Is it true or a lie that they lodge themselves and their weapons in ordinary communities of Lebanese people?

True.


And I adore your logic, the more of us who die, the more of you we must kill. (Damn, I should get busy murdering Germans. I suppose I could start with my friend, Gudrun, her daddy was a Nazi officer.)
Well...yeah. How do you think they convince people to join them? How do you think they convince people to strap bombs on themselves to kill as many Israelis as possible?


But you just said that Hezbollah weren't killing very many.......Oh, Hell, I'm getting confused again. Wait. Does this mean the Israelis are killing because so much of THEIR blood has been shed? You know, on buses, in markets, restaurants......that kind of thing?
NO! For fucks sake. I'm saying that's why HEZBOLLAH is killing.


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I *JUST* read the guidlines in GD about Israel threads...Not sure if this one applies! Sorry! Delete it if you must...

[alvarezadams]

20. Guess what?

Hezbollah isn't a Palestinian group.

[Lindacooks]

32. It's called guerrilla warfare. Look it up.

And that's what people do when they are up against a massively funded army that has the backing and blessing of the world's superpower.

Jesus, sometimes I think you want Hezbollah to stand out in a field with their guns and shout 'over here! over here!'

And that is why Israel is not going to win this. Nobody has EVER won against an entrenched guerilla army.

Oh, and by the way 'Lebanon has an insurgency because it was invaded by a foreign power'. Israel. In 1982. Look it up.

[Zhade]

35. No one said that. It's a strawman argument on your part.

In fact, both sides are committing war crimes - Israel's are just on a larger scale, and more varied - and both need to stop killing NOW.

[daydreamer]

10. Who provoked whom? Hisbollah captured the soldiers INSIDE

Lebanon.

[w4rma]

11. And Israel captured hundreds of folks INSIDE Lebanon.

And someone shot a rocket at someone before that.
And someone shot somebody in the head before that.
etc.etc.etc.

Blah, blah, blah. You know after about 1000 Lebanese are dead, an oil spill ten times bigger than the Exxon Valdez, destroyed power plants and bridges and homes and familes, I tend to not give a flip about the (now lame) excuse given for all this slaughter.

[mom cat]

15. What a pretext ... and those captured soldiers are still alive!

[samhsarah]

12. self-delete

[Contrary1]

13. The whole thing makes me ill.

Video, not for the squeamish: http://www.rasheed-b.com/?p=284#more-284

[democrank]

14. You might want to send your info to Wolf Blitzer.

Imaginary TV Reporter:

45,678 people were killed in a bombing raid in Indiana today. Five of those people were from Delaware. Our entire film crew is en route to Delaware and they`ll have a complete report on the chaos at 11:00.

[jonnyblitz]

16. LMFAO!

:thumbsup:

[stray cat]

17. Hezbollah would give anything to surpass Israel's numbers

but you're right civilian deaths is a great recruitment tool for Hezbollah - this is probably a gift that keeps on giving for them.

[leesa]

18. According to Israeli math, Hezbollah is the more brutal killer though

Just like with the Palestinians. They kill way more Palestinians, but Israel is always the one being killed by Palestine. It's that wacky math they have.

[indepat]

19. Magnificent kill ratios like this are to be expected when state-of-the-

weaponry is supplied to only one side.

[alvarezadams]

21. Israel is now practicing terror

It's official. They've attacked Christian areas with the sole objective of "creating hatred for Hezbollah". In their warped logic they figure that non-Hezbollah supporters should be targetted because they would thus blame Hezbollah for the Israeli response.

Why is it that the rw never learns? Bomber Harris thought that carpetbombing cities would "break the German will to resist", just as Hitler did, just as the Condor Legion did, just like Nixon did. For some reason it only steels the resolve of civilians but I guess that these anal-retentive rwingers figure that "maybe THIS time it will work".

Butting one's head against a wall invariably gets you a bump on the head... but maybe THIS time it won't.

[jrd200x]

22. Body count is no score. How many missles does Hez have left

And it goes to show you, Israel doesn't hide behind civilians like Hezz does.

[uppityperson]

24. "Body count is no score"?

Killing innocents is fine with you, eh?

[jrd200x]

26. Did I say anything like that?

you'd be good on Fox News with that skill.

[jrd200x]

28. No, them firing missles is OK with you?

[Zhade]

36. Really. So why does Israel have bases near Israeli Arab areas?

Even if Hezbollah has 10,000 rockets left, they still can't match the firepower of Israel's indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas, so they are unlikely to "catch up" or exceed the number of innocents the Israeli military has killed.

[jrd200x]

38. Thank god for that.

Isreal needs that kind of defense. They are surrounded by those that would kill them.

"If muslims laid down their arms, there would be no more fighting
If Israel Lays down their arms, there would be no more Isreal"

[Zhade]

42. Yawn. Nothing new to add.

Heard it all before, not convinced by the rhetoric of those who support the murder of children.

[uppityperson]

43. They don't. They do. Good thing they do. You are hilarious!

jrd200x "Israel doesn't hide behind civilians like Hezz does."
Zhade "So why does Israel have bases near Israeli Arab areas?'
jrd200x "Thank god for that. Isreal needs that kind of defense."

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[uppityperson]

25. Killing Hezbullah helps the dead civilians?

[jrd200x]

27. Yes. They're fighting among the civilians aren't they?

Oh, i could be wrong. But all the footage I've seen of them training and setting up weapons all seems to be in civilian areas.

[uppityperson]

29. If they were fighting amidst these dead civilians, why aren't they dead?

why so many civilians dead and so few Hezbullah?

[uppityperson]

30. delete, wrong place

[uppityperson]

31. Kind of funny how you press for an immediate answer, but don't yourself

Kind of funny how you press for an immediate answer, but don't answer quickly yourself

odd that.

[Zhade]

37. Probably waiting for the Megaphone to upload more talking points.

NT!

[jrd200x]

39. No, I'd rather sit here and listen to more anti-Israel rhetoric instead

[Zhade]

41. Being against indiscriminate bombing of civilians isn't "anti-Israel".

But then, you know that (or you're an idiot).

I doubt you're an idiot, they usually can't find the keyboard.

[Zhade]

33. One would expect the Israeli military to kill LESS.

After all, Israel has "precision-guided" bombs, and being an allegedly democratic state that is just "defending itself", one would think they would have the moral imperative to lessen civilian deaths.

Yet they indiscriminately bomb civilian areas, thus killing far more.

[Constitution]

44. k & r