Dean Media Propaganda revolves around prolific use of the word "liberal"

[cryofan]

Dean is obviously not a liberal. His website even says he is a centrist. However, he obviously needs the liberal vote. So what he does is generate news media items that contain as many occurrences of the word "liberal" as possible.

He will even go so far as to imply that he is a liberal by associating himself with the liberal wing or faction of the Democrats, much as he did today as reported on CNN. The CNN talking heads were going on about how Dean was now both the outsider AND the centrist! LOL! Are these CNN talking heads on the Dean payroll or what!?

CNN showed Dean talking about the situation between the liberal wing (or faction) of the Party, and how it related to centrists. But the way Dean worded it and the way it was edited left the impression that Dean was affiliated with the left/liberal faction (if anyone say that CNN report, and can report the exact wording, please let me know).

As another example of how the media and Dean are luring in the liberals by creating a swarm of "liberal" word occurences around Dean, look at this article that was posted in an earlier thread here on DU from http://www.liberaloasis.com/archives/122103.htm#122403 (see the "Leading with the Left Column).

In this article talking about Dean, there are no less than 21 ocurrences of the word "liberal" & "liberals" and 4 occurences of the word "left". Of course, it never actually says that Dean is a liberal (it only says he is not a "pure liberal". Umm...yeah, and the pope is not a pure atheist!). So yet we have another instance of Dean media propaganda that uses a swarm of "liberal" to create the subconcious impression that Dean is a liberal.

However, if you, Dear Reader, are very well acquainted with Dean's record as Vermont Governor, you would that he is indeed no liberal.
Look at some quantitative evidence of how he cut down on Vermont's welfare:
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"Throughout the 1990s, Dean’s cuts in state aid to education ($6 million), retirement funds for teachers and state employees ($7 million), health care ($4 million), welfare programs earmarked for the aged, blind and disabled ($2 million), Medicaid benefits ($1.2 million) and more, amounted to roughly $30 million. Dean claimed that the cuts were necessary because the state had no money and was burdened by a $60 million deficit.9
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Even more disconcerting are some of the direct quotes from Dean during his Vermont years as Gov. As you can from the quotes below, Dean is very much opposed to the agenda of the liberals in the Democratic Party:
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Most of the Democrats in the legislature rebelled against Dean over the budget cuts, and he ended up depending on Republican votes to pass most of his proposals. At the time, a local Vermont newspaper wrote, "The biggest items on Dean’s agenda for next year are likely to provoke more opposition from the Democrats than the Republicans. Nevertheless, Dean said he feels no particular pressure to deliver the goods to his party or to promote the Democratic agenda."15

In the mid-1990s, Dean even aligned himself with the likes of Republican Newt Gingrich on his stance on cutting Medicare. He opined at the time, "The way to balance the budget is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut everything else."16
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The Rutland Herald described how one protestor, Henrietta Jordan of the Vermont Center for Independent Living, "said it would be much fairer to raise taxes on people with expensive homes and cars, children in private school and a housekeeper at home than to cut programs that helped the 66,000 Vermonters living with disabilities."17 Dean responded callously, brushing off the pleas of Vermont’s most vulnerable by saying, "This seems like sort of the last gasp of the left here."18"
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The rest of this article is here:
http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/dean.shtml

I really find the Dean quotes above quite disturbing. The quotes and the article's detailed, footnoted enumeration of his tightfisted reign in Vermont should be engendering serious doubt in the minds of Democrats about his true political leanings.

Even more disturbing is the picture we get of Dean's personality here. I am uncomfortably reminded of a certain Silver Spoon Yale frat boy turned politician, one who has always shown a cocksure arrogance and bellicosity that turns my stomach. I think you know who I who I am talking about.....

I think each Democrat needs to consider whether we want to vote this man into office. We have other candidates far more worthy. For example, Clark and Kucinich....Heck, I think I would even prefer Gephardt--the guy is supposedly a longtime union backer. Even Kerry and Lieberman would be better, even through they are consummate insiders. But at least they have not already evidenced emnity to the left wing and the social safety net. Nor do they appear to have the nasty arrogance evidenced by Dean in the quotes above.

[Padraig18]

1. "International Socialist review: Journal of Revolutionary Marxism"

Wassamatter? Doesn't The Daily Worker publish on Christmas Day? :eyes:

[Padraig18]

29. If history teaches un anything at all, it is this:

Marxism, Leninism, Maoism, etc., are thoroughly discredited as political ideologies. I am surprised that any 'progressive' would use ANY reference from a journal associated with such patent nonsense. :eyes:

[Mairead]

32. Only right-wing history.

One cannot 'thoroughly discredit' something that has never been tried. Surely you know that?

[Mairead]

31. I believe all the quotes are sourced to other publications.

[dsc]

33. Yes and I was able to check precisely two

One was an out and out lie, that one is detailed in this thread and the other was wrong but since I couldn't find the original quote I don't know if they honestly told us the inaccurate thing that someone published or dishonestly told us an inaccurate thing. That is zero for two for those who are counting. Not one of these quotes in online and the authors of that article knew that when they published. One has to wonder what liberties they took when the knew they couldn't be checked up on.

[Scott Lee]

2. As found as I am of Socialists....

I don't think your article here is going to go far in getting the majority of Americans to vote for your man.

It was a valiant effort, though. It wins one free bowl of Christmas pudding. Eat up!

[Hoppin_Mad]

3. How many times are you going to post the same quotes ?

The don't get better with age or by incessant repetition.

[Padraig18]

4. When you don't have anything positive to say about your candidate, ...

... you repost garbage, I suppose. :shrug:

[Hoppin_Mad]

13. Hmmm - others can play too

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well... our president George W. Bush. We need them there."

Wes Clark, May 11, 2001

Would this make a good sig line, or is it a little over the top ? ;-)

[Padraig18]

28. LOL!

Exactly! One thing many supporters of other candidates fail to remember is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. :P

[CTLawGuy]

5. ...

:tinfoilhat:

[John_H]

6. Stop it! Do not post the record! No! It does not compute!

This is about the power of the people. The feel good bandwagon. Listen to what the man says. That's what some want: words.

Joking aside. All of the proof posted here--the proof dean;s a consumate insider. The proof he governed as a pro corporate centrist doesn't matter a lick, apparently.

The way the Trippi has designed the campaign to appeal to people's sense of being a part of something "big" is brilliant. So brilliant that it demonstrates just how powerful the human desire to be part of something is. here on DU it overrides unarguable proof on a daily basis.

Even if it leads to certain defeat,as obvious as the day, some are willing to go right along. Amazing but true.

[Rose Siding]

7. The "record"? Are you kidding?

Liberaloasis is the "record"?

There are those who will just sit down where they are and refuse to try, believing they have evolved right past sincere all the way to self-righteous cynicism. Things Will Change (entrophy's a bitch) -the only question is one of the degree of control and participation.

[sandnsea]

30. A status quo revolution!!!

That's what cracks me up the most. A guy who won't repeal the Patriot Act, won't repeal NAFTA, won't change foreign policy, supports snowmobiles in Yellowstone just like he supported snowmobiles and logging in his great environmental Champion Land deal, leaves the traditionally devisive issues up to the states. A guy whose only real issue is a health care plan that's run deficits for years and consequently has no chance of passing. What a revolution.

It would almost be comical to watch if we weren't in such a desperate situation in this country and around the world.

[SahaleArm]

8. I've got to congratulate his marketing team...

165,000 hits: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Howard+Dean%22+liberal

[dsc]

9. You have posted this article three times

On each occasion I have pointed out one deliberate lie and one howling error that these people made. I have yet to get an answer from you in this regard.

Here it is yet again. And I do want an answer to this. Do not falsely claim that I don't link to the orginal document. The oringal document, as they say it is, is right here.

www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/dean/dean0702/pollinaint.html

They report this statement made by Pollina.

As a comparison to that Vermont has over the last ten years, which is Dean's time in office, in Vermont we increased our investment in our prisons, our state prisons by 150 percent; we've increased our investment in our state colleges by about 7 percent.

end of quote.

At no time in the text do they mention that Pollina ran against Dean and was doing so at the time he made this statement. Further they leave out this.

General Fund Appropriations FY 1993 FY 2003* Percent Change
Corrections $31,218 $73,916 137 %
State Colleges $14,470 $21,361 47 %

end of quote

It is crystal clear that Pollina lied to our faces when he claimed that spending on state colleges increased by only 7%. It is equally clear that the ISR lied to our faces when they said this.

By 2002, state investments in prisons increased by nearly 150 percent while investments in state colleges increased by only 7 percent.11

and in case you think I pulled a fast one here is the link they say they used for 11.

11 Interview with Anthony Pollina by Democracy In Action at the Progressive Party offices in Montpelier, Vermont, July 9, 2002. Anthony Pollina ran for governor against Dean on the Progressive Party ticket in 2000. Available at www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/dean/dean0702/pollinaint.html


They baldly lied here. This is not some accidental misquote. This is not sloppyness. There is no way, no way at all that they missed this without doing so on purpose. This is the third time this has been posted in response to this article being posted by you. I would like an answer.

editted to fix links.

[Rose Siding]

10. Had you showed this to the thread's author before?

And you were ignored? I'm shocked :bounce:

Thanks dsc

[dsc]

12. Yes several times

and the requests for an answer has been several times.

[bitchkitty]

36. I would like an answer too -

I'm really tired of these unfair attacks on Dean. Some of the threads are honest questions and I trust the authors, but others...

It's gotten way out of hand, and it's obvious that there are people with an agenda at work. I wish DU could do something about it. It's getting to the point that I absolutely hate coming here - if that's their agenda, it's working!

[edzontar]

11. Clark was a Republican Reagan-supporter until a few months ago..

How can you say he is more "liberal" than Dean?

Ridiculous.

[Hoppin_Mad]

14. Did he really say this ?

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well... our president George W. Bush. We need them there."

Wes Clark, May 11, 2001

This is some kind of internet hoax, right ?

[dsc]

16. He did

and at a Republican fundraiser to boot. Money from the dinner at which he said that went to Tim Hutchinson's unsuccesful reelection bid.

[hedda_foil]

18. He did. It was videotaped and the Rove and FAUX have the tape.

But never mind about that.

[TLM]

23. Can you imagine the add ROve will run?

Remember, they won;t hesitate to edit the viedo... so we'll see something like...



Wesley CLark has had a lot of negative things to say about Bush lately... but what was he saying before his run for the white house?

Video of Clark saying:

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there."

I guess this was before Mr. Clark decided to adopt a policy of attacking our president...

More video...

"...we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."

Well... at least he used to be honest.

Paid for by douchebags for Bush.

[TLM]

21. That's nto all he said... and it was at a f-ing repuke fundraiser...

As if it wasn;t bad enough he was helping them raise money...

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there."


"We were really helped when President Ronald Reagan came in. I remember non-commissioned officers who were going to retire and they re-enlisted because they believed in President Reagan."

"That's the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership."



"President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."

[SahaleArm]

15. Based on what? That he voted for Reagan in 1984?

That's like me calling Dean a Newt Gingrich supporter.

"Medicare is one of the worst things that ever happened… a bureaucratic disaster..." - Howard Dean

[cryofan]

19. that's a fair question

In partial answer to that, I am going to repost a post I just made in another thread:
Those standard litmus test Liberal/Dem issues (NRA, Confederate flag, gay marriages, Cato institute, and death penalty (see other post)) that are trotted out as proof of whether a candidate is a real Democrat or not, are simply BOGUS, ridiculous issues! No offense meant...

The REAL issues for litmus test of Left vs. Right, GOP vs Dem, liberal vs. conservative....is...wait for it....TAXATION...how much and who gets taxed how much. And also how the taxes are spent, i.e., on military and corporate welfare, as opposed to social spending.

All these other bogus minor issues are the result of very successful propaganda campaigns by the wealthy and corporate lobbies in both the GOP and Demo parties. They have been so successful in completely demolishing the true liberal agenda--the real issues are not even on the screen anymore. Instead Democrats focus on false, canard or minor issues....WTF!?


Now, Clark may well have cozied up to the GOP. I am not sure exactly what happened. But the proof of whether a candidate is liberal or not hinges mainly on the issues above. As you can see from the below quotes, Dean is clearly NOT a liberal:

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"Throughout the 1990s, Dean’s cuts in state aid to education ($6 million), retirement funds for teachers and state employees ($7 million), health care ($4 million), welfare programs earmarked for the aged, blind and disabled ($2 million), Medicaid benefits ($1.2 million) and more, amounted to roughly $30 million. Dean claimed that the cuts were necessary because the state had no money and was burdened by a $60 million deficit.9
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Most of the Democrats in the legislature rebelled against Dean over the budget cuts, and he ended up depending on Republican votes to pass most of his proposals. At the time, a local Vermont newspaper wrote, "The biggest items on Dean’s agenda for next year are likely to provoke more opposition from the Democrats than the Republicans. Nevertheless, Dean said he feels no particular pressure to deliver the goods to his party or to promote the Democratic agenda."15

In the mid-1990s, Dean even aligned himself with the likes of Republican Newt Gingrich on his stance on cutting Medicare. He opined at the time, "The way to balance the budget is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut everything else."16
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The Rutland Herald described how one protestor, Henrietta Jordan of the Vermont Center for Independent Living, "said it would be much fairer to raise taxes on people with expensive homes and cars, children in private school and a housekeeper at home than to cut programs that helped the 66,000 Vermonters living with disabilities."17 Dean responded callously, brushing off the pleas of Vermont’s most vulnerable by saying, "This seems like sort of the last gasp of the left here."18"
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The rest of this article is here:
http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/dean.shtml


Now, Clark may or may not be a liberal. I know that he made it pretty high up in the US Army leadership. Now, as a former military man myself, I can tell you that the military is run in a far more liberal manner than Dean ran Vermont, with respect to social issues.

Whether Clark would run the USA more like Dean ran Vermont or more like the Army leadership ran the Army, well, who can look into the seeds of time and see which will grow and which not? Not me. But I think it likely that Clark is more liberal than Dean. Of course, from the quotes and the numbers given, not too many politicians in the USA are LESS liberal than Dean....

And above all, remember, it is ACTIONS, and not RHETORIC that count towards describing a candidate as liberal or conservative.....

[dsc]

20. Am I ever, as in sometime before the sun dies out,

going to get an answer from you? Also you promised that you "would have those original articles in your hand" has that happened? Do you ever answer?

[cryofan]

22. you have seized upon a minor point in what may be a quibble

That is my impression. My main points are that Dean ran Vermont as a tax cutter (that is even what the newspaper article captions say!). And even the major media is acknowledging that fact.

And then there are the quotes, which really reveal Dean for what he is.....

[dsc]

25. Why should I believe the quotes

when they lied to my face about what that interview said? This is not a minor quibble. The text of the article never says Pollina was an opponent of Dean's. And nowhere in the article is the fact Pollina was wrong by a factor of 9 mentioned. Pollina, and the ISR lied about Dean's record in a transparent way. Why should I believe these quotes, none of which are on line anywhere? They claimed Dean increased funding by only 7% the truth was 47%, again that if a factor of 9.

I don't trust people who lie to my face. This mag did exactly that and they, like Ann Coulter, trusted that no reader would actually read the endnotes (and they are endnotes not footnotes which is yet another inaccuracy). I did, and caught them in a flat out, low down, lie. As I have said repeatedly in regards to those quotes, provide me an original source and I will comment. Hearsay from liars doesn't cut it.

On edit, I guess at least I should be glad you actually acknowledge that I have shown they lied and that I did have an original source. In the spirit of Christmas and gratitude I will.

[Upfront]

17. Poop

What crap!

[batman]

24. this falls under the big fuckin deal category

time to move on

the same source calls dennis kucinich a right wing fanatic and since this was noted you have changed your avatar

its a shame you keep posting this because not only is it uninteresting your source is laughable

[frustrated_lefty]

26. He drinks the blood of babies too. (eom)

[stickdog]

27. Dude, "liberal" is not meant as compliment. And I don't mean because

it isn't hardcore socialist enough.

The mass media is tagging Dean as an ultraliberal for one reason and one reason only -- to keep Bush a "prohibitive favorite" in the general election.

[mitchum]

34. deleted

sorry, wrong thread

[cryofan]

35. a kick for protective camouflage

[cryofan]

37. a kick for cryptoRepublicans